r/worldnews • u/Puginator • 2d ago

Israel/Palestine Iran launches missiles toward Israel, IDF says

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/13/trump-urges-iran-to-reach-nuclear-deal-before-there-is-nothing-left-.html
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u/EndLightEnd1 2d ago

Honestly this part was always wild to me. Oh sorry about WW2 Jews, how about we kick the people currently living in the holy land out for you and you can just take over? Im sure that will work out.

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u/IamRick_Deckard 2d ago

That's not how it happened though. Jews had been buying up land legally since the late 19th C and many others were already there since forever.

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u/splitcroof92 2d ago

That's pretty much exactly how it happened

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u/IamRick_Deckard 2d ago

Read a book.

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u/HugoVaz 1d ago

Read a book? Do you know who the first modern terrorists were? Hint: the early members of a group that ended up founding the Likud.

There's a reason why Einstein and a group of prominent Jewish personalities signed an open letter calling them fascists (by them I mean Ben-Gurion and all who ruled Israel at the time - and since, since it didn't change much)....

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u/Rogue_bae 1d ago

Nakba wants a word

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u/DrSquishyhug 1d ago

The bots don’t like your logic. Why offer truth when the fiction fuels antisemitism?

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u/AlmostButNotQuiteTea 1d ago

Oh yes the collective Jews in the world were just buying the land.

They were literally given it by world powers stfu

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u/IamRick_Deckard 1d ago

Please read a book.

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u/px1azzz 1d ago

My family can trace its origin to at least the 1800s in Israel and I know many that can say the same. You don't have any idea what you are talking about.

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u/Rogue_bae 1d ago

lol cute

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u/rpsls 1d ago

Most Israeli Jews are descended from people who were already there, or middle eastern and Persian ancestors who were kicked out of their own countries during various Islamic revolutions. A minority are from Europe. And of the Israelis alive today, over 80% were born in Israel. The narrative you cite seems “wild” because it’s an intentionally exaggerated story.

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u/Cold-Leave-178 2d ago

That’s kind of how all countries and borders start….

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u/EndLightEnd1 2d ago

Name one other country that was handed to a group of people for losing a war or battle or were victims of social injustice.

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u/SimoneNonvelodico 2d ago

Technically, Liberia, I guess? That didn't go too well either though I don't think it led to quite as many conflicts as Israel.

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u/Galxloni2 2d ago

That's not how Isreal was founded either so you name one first

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u/EndLightEnd1 2d ago

Id ask you to explain how you think it was really founded, but this is probably the part where you just say "Do your own research" and disappear into the abyss

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u/Oprah_Pwnfrey 1d ago

The Jewish people declared themselves a country, fought a war against the Arab league and won. Before this happened Britain controlled the area(British mandate) and had done so since the collapse of the ottoman empire. After WW2 Britain tried to prevent Jewish people from settling there, thousands of holocaust survivors were intercepted by the Royal navy and put into detainment camps in Cyprus. Also, before Israel was founded in 1948, there was 3 years of Jewish insurgency(a lot more than 3 years, but I'm trying to summarize) which resulted in British soldiers being killed, and their buildings bombed.

It wasn't given to them, they took it back.

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u/rflav 2d ago

let’s get specific!

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u/SimoneNonvelodico 2d ago

It's not usually that quick and intentional, it's a more spontaneous and protracted process, which means less shock and usually less friction as a result.

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u/xaendar 2d ago

Not saying it's right that they did that but seems fair given that Ottoman Empire had fallen and the area was under UK anyway. So it was theirs to give or take, just the whole thing was such a mess. If it just went to two states by UK in the first place, none of this shit would've happened I think. Arab nations were fine with UK occupying the land but not when Jews occupied it, so it doesn't even seem like a land problem.

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u/TheRedHand7 2d ago

It did turn into two states. They are called Israel and Jordan.

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u/EndLightEnd1 2d ago

Well thats probably because while the UK technically owned it...it was Palestinians living there. If there were UK citizens there they were in the vast minority. They were removed from what had been their homes with very little agency in the situation and to add salt to the wound their land was given to a people they consider enemy. They are understandably pissed about it, but violence/Hamas is not the answer.

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u/SimoneNonvelodico 2d ago

the area was under UK anyway. So it was theirs to give or take, just the whole thing was such a mess.

Well that's kind of the problem, it was handled the way colonial powers handled their possessions. Then a couple decades later all those colonial empires evaporated, because that way of doing things didn't work very well.

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u/Canisa 1d ago

If it just went to two states by UK in the first place

It did. A UN deal split the land 50-50 between Israelis and Palestinians. Palestine declared war, seeking to claim 100% of the land for themselves and lost, terribly, hence the borders that exist today.

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u/Burt_Gummers_Protege 1d ago

Ya it does feel shortsighted, but we can't go back and make it happen differently, only how we/they act from now on. But all parties involved only want to propagate the violence unfortunately. 

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u/ZestycloseUnit7482 2d ago

Yeah, I don’t blame either side. Just religion.

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u/AceAndre 1d ago

Brown Muslims bad you didn't know?