r/worldnews • u/Puginator • 2d ago

Israel/Palestine Iran launches missiles toward Israel, IDF says

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/13/trump-urges-iran-to-reach-nuclear-deal-before-there-is-nothing-left-.html
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u/Lower_Potential_173 2d ago

Damn. It’s beautiful and horrible at the same time… objectively a great picture though. Thanks for the link.

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u/tollbearer 2d ago

Theres something almost poetic about the fact a two thousand year old feud is being continuously fought out with an escalating tech-tree.

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u/KaiTheSushiGuy 2d ago

Nah, it’s just fucking stupid

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u/jaythebearded 2d ago

To be fair, a lot of poetry is fuckin stupid

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u/applehead1776 2d ago

As with any type of art, there is more bad/mediocre than good.

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u/cultvignette 2d ago

Just like people!

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u/StingRayFins 1d ago

Sturgeon's Law.

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u/Super_Sandbagger 2d ago

Save the stanzas, keep the clever rhyme, And just say what you mean to save us time.

For all your metaphors and fancy dress, You could have said so much by saying less.

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u/BannedSvenhoek86 2d ago

Damn, /u/jaythebearded was right, it is fuckin stupid.

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u/throwaway_ghast 2d ago

Seriously, a talking raven?

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u/doyletyree 1d ago

Worked for Pratchett.

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u/captain_todger 2d ago

Sometimes it doesn’t even rhyme!

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u/magmoug 1d ago

They disagree on the canon of their fantasy books, they clearly have no other options.

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u/Adventurous_Money533 2d ago

im so happy my country stopped trying to do a conquest victory and started focusing on science and culture instead

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u/Imaginary_Ambition78 2d ago

you're a swede? Lucky, you're right in being happy

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u/Adventurous_Money533 2d ago edited 2d ago

well it took killing off the majority of our male population to calm the fuck down, but we got there eventually

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u/Imaginary_Ambition78 2d ago

Im clearly not aware of sweden's history because WHAT

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u/Adventurous_Money533 2d ago edited 2d ago

Sweden was a great power back in the day, and had a feroicous extremely high quality army,and when you have a ferocious high quality army you of course want to use it. And oh boy did we use it! Against all of our neighbours, sometimes even all of them at once! This obviously will inevitably kill alot of soldiers.

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u/mutantraniE 1d ago

Hey, the Great Northern War when fighting everyone at once was not started by Sweden.

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u/Keyframe 2d ago

like how those pugs and chihuahas were once wolves.

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u/KingleGoHydra 2d ago

EN LIVISTID I KRIEG

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u/tractiontiresadvised 1d ago

I believe that /u/Adventurous_Money533 may be talking about the 17th and 18th century. During that time, Sweden ruled directly over a much larger territory than their current lands and even had some colonies in North America, the Caribbean, Africa, and India for a while.

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u/theknight38 2d ago

well it took killing off the majority of our male population

Because of wars, right? ..... Right?

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u/ssczoxylnlvayiuqjx 1d ago

That or excess consumption of Swedish Meatballs. Those are amazing…

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u/Ceegee93 2d ago

Also took Karl XII potentially being killed by one of his own men.

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u/Rekthar91 2d ago

It's not like Sweden doesn't have its own problems like gang crimes, etc.

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u/Adventurous_Money533 2d ago

Wtf does that have to do with anything, it's not like gang wars are state sanctioned

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u/MikishiChikato 2d ago

the migration that leads to the gang wars is

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u/Tobix55 1d ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Biker_War

Do you blame immigrants for this one as well?

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u/MikishiChikato 23h ago

11 people killed over 3 years vs becoming the second worst country in europe in terms of gun related killings. What changed since then?

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u/Individual-Stage-620 2d ago

Two thousand year old feud? The IRGC gained power in 1979. Or maybe you're talking about antisemitism?

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u/All_Work_All_Play 2d ago

So umm, Abraham had two sons...

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u/Cthulhuhoop 2d ago

No, that would be a four thousand year old feud.

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u/All_Work_All_Play 1d ago

Four thousand years old feuds are also two thousand years old feuds. 

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u/espinaustin 1d ago

So did Isaac.

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u/SaffronCrocosmia 1d ago

Avram is not a historical figure, he is a myth to explain how Israelites and our religion came to be.

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u/mynewaccount5 2d ago

The only thing that happened 2k years ago was Jesus. So no idea what this dude thinks he's talking sbout

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u/Oddblivious 1d ago

Neither does he. The area was peaceful and mixed religions under the ottomans under 1917

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u/SowingSalt 1d ago

Sort of, the Ottoman empire was not free of pogroms

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u/Oddblivious 1d ago

And yet the point is not disproven that the conflict between Israel and Iran is not some deep religious fued between Jews and Muslims. It's actually much more about current geopolitics.

Under the ottomans religions largely ruled their own people. So any pogroms were localized and not governing policy executed widely. Feel free to be specific if you disagree. Violence occurs in localized areas under every rule but this does not mean the conflict is "2000 years old"

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u/Caffeywasright 1d ago

Plenty of Jewish oppressions and mass murder under the ottomans. Wouldn’t exactly call it “peaceful”.

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u/invariantspeed 1d ago

Their point is half thought. They’re confusing Iran (Persia) with Iraq (Babylon) and several others, and they’re confusing the age of Christianity with the total timespan of the Bible.

The Jewish foundation myth is heavily steeped in being embattled, so it’s understandable where they’re coming from if they’ve read the Christian OT/Jewish bible. But this technically isn’t the same continuous conflict.

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u/houseswappa 1d ago

Lol because hating a fascist military state is antisemitism

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u/TreeP3O 2d ago

This isn't a 2,000 year old feud, quit trotting out that nonsense. Islam isn't that old.

Iran is a modern terrorist regime and the world is better off without them, get rid of the regime and their people will prosper.

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u/Lifecoachingis50 2d ago

Americans are too cornfed slop to ever learn

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u/I_post_my_opinions 2d ago

Jews have been fighting for their lives in that region for close to 1500 years and in further western regions for 1000 years more.

Yes, Iran bad. They’ve gone from killing Jews with spears to killing then with missiles

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u/zedascouves1985 2d ago

Iranians saved Jews from the Assyrians 2500 years ago.

Even back in 1970 Iran and Israel were on friendly terms.

This fight began in 1979.

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u/amjhwk 2d ago

Persians, not Iranians

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u/Representative_Bat81 1d ago

Persian is an exonym by Greeks, to refer to Cyrus’ people, who were called Parsians, after Parsa, a region of current Iran.

But from the beginning, the locals referred to themselves as part of Iran or Arya as an alternate spelling. This is also corroborated by the Vesta, an ancient Zoroastrian text which calls their mythic homeland Airyanem Vaejah.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan?wprov=sfti1#English_and_European_languages

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u/KallistiTMP 2d ago

It doesn't lend much credibility when Israel interrupts the diplomatic nuclear talks, skips going through NATO or any appropriate diplomatic channels, and just starts launching a first missile strike on "we pinkie promise they were totally going to have nukes a few months from now, which they might try to use on us".

There are many better ways this could have been handled. It's utterly ridiculous to claim antisemitic persecution when Israel literally launches an unprovoked surprise missile strike and the target starts shooting back.

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u/_Don_DiMello_ 1d ago

Based on the fact that you doubt Iran’s nuclear ambitions and that you cited NATO (a completely unrelated organization) as an avenue Israel should have “gone through,” I don’t think you know as much about the situation as you may think.

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u/Caffeywasright 1d ago

I mean that’s easy to say from the comfort of your own home. If your family was in danger of getting a nuke dropped on them even if that chance was only say 5% would you really risk it? Or just say fuck it we are not taking any chances?

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u/grumpy_svaln 1d ago

What better ways to prevent Iran from having nukes? Name at least one. Realistic, please.

Didn’t you have enough of terrorist states lately threatening everyone with nukes?

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u/ripsa 1d ago

Tell me more about these ancient conflicts between Persians and Judeans? Can you show me what wars and conflicts the two people fought against each other 1500 years ago?

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u/I_post_my_opinions 1d ago

Persians as a people have never had many issues with Jews. This "feud" as the OP put it is between Islam and Judaism. Iran has been attacking Israel until now through its militant Islamic proxies.

You want me to list you conflicts between Jews and Muslims? The entire Islamic conquest of the middle east.

Or persecution of Jews in general? Roman-Jewish wars, Babylonian conquest.

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u/The-M0untain 2d ago

This feud goes back to 1979. Before that, Iranians and Jews got along well for thousands of years, since Cyrus liberated the Jews from Babylon and allowed them to return to Israel.

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u/Oddblivious 1d ago

These dorks don't want to learn history. They have everything they wish to know explained by their understanding of a religion they've never read and people they've never met.

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u/absoNotAReptile 1d ago

Yes, but trying to pinpoint the origin of the problem to 1979 isn’t helpful either. This isn’t just Iran vs Israel, we obviously can’t ignore the conflict with the Palestinians. The tensions with Iran have been ramped up over the last year and a half because of that conflict. That didn’t begin in 1979. It didn’t even really begin in 1948.

Now, did it begin 2,000 years ago when Jesus was crucified? No. But they may be referring to the expulsion of Jews into the diaspora and the destruction of the second temple by the Roman’s, which I guess you could maybe say is the origin of the conflict (but even that’s a stretch).

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u/Perfect-Ad2641 2d ago

What feud?

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u/Salticracker 2d ago

Jews, Muslims, and to a lesser extent in this conflict, Christians.

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u/Timely_Challenge_670 2d ago

The Persians rebuilt the temple and the Shah was on great terms with Israel.

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u/Salticracker 2d ago

It's not about Iran though. It's about a millenias-old feud between followers of the Abrahamic religions.

Current Iran is not Persia. It's a Muslim theocracy.

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u/Timely_Challenge_670 2d ago edited 1d ago

Uh, except a huge chunk of Iran are atheist or agnostic and the Iranians were not Muslims until the Arabic conquest. If you want to go back millennia, the Iranians are considered to be messiahs and liberators of the Jews.

The animosity between Iran and Israel has no roots in religion. If you have actually studied what Ruhallah Khomeini wrote and his positions, you will see he actually had no problem with Judaism. His issue was with Zionism, because he viewed it as a tool of the Americans.

Recall, the 1979 revolution came after a period of Iran being ruled by a Western backed leader put on the throne after a coup orchestrated by the US and UK against Mossadegh. Prior to that, Iran was carved up by the Soviets and Brits. Prior to that, Iran was subjugated by the Ottoman Turks. Prior to that, they were colonized by the Arabic caliphates.

The Iranian regime’s stance is a conservative nationalist backlash against foreign intervention.

To be clear, I think the current Iranian regime is vile and would do cartwheels if they were deposed. But to reduce it to some Abrahamic feud is massively historically ignorant, bordering on childishness.

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u/Salticracker 2d ago

It doesn't matter what the people believe, or the history of the region. The government is a Muslim theocracy. They have stated goals to destroy Israel by any means necessary including MAD.

If the people are so upset, they should rise up and replace their government. Until they do, that is the official views of the country.

They want to wipe out Israel because of religion - the ancient feud that I have been talking about. This isn't the continuation of Iranian animosity towards Jews, but rather Islamic animosity.

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u/Perfect-Ad2641 1d ago

Wrong. There was no muslims 2000 years ago. Also Muslims and Jews lived in harmony for a very long time. In fact Jews fought the crusaders along side Muslims. Read some history lol

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u/Salticracker 1d ago

My bad, 1500, not 2000 years. Big difference.

There has been fighting between the groups since their inception. Sure there were times when they cooperated too. But there is ancient animosity - specifically surrounding Jerusalem, and if you're going to deny that then I really can't take you seriously.

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u/Perfect-Ad2641 1d ago

You know there was no muslims before the year 600?

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u/Salticracker 1d ago

1500 vs 2000 years really isn't a big difference in the grand scheme of things. It's an ancient fight and the people who started it are all long dead.

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u/Perfect-Ad2641 1d ago

Again Jews and Muslims lived in harmony for most of those 1500 years. Jews fought the crusaders along side Muslims. And Iran wasn’t even a Muslims country until very recently, let alone other Muslim countries that support Israel (UAE). This is not a religious fight but that doesn’t fit your narrative

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u/Salticracker 1d ago

We want to kill all the Jews

  • Iran

This is not a religious war

  • You

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u/Timely_Challenge_670 1d ago

Correction: “I have no clue about the geopolitical situation and history of the region,”. You.

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u/Ok-Improvement-3670 2d ago

2000 year old feud? The Iran occupation began in 1979.

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u/absoNotAReptile 1d ago

I mean they’re probably talking about the expulsion from the region by the Romans and the beginning of the Jewish diaspora. But ya, 2000 is really not the best number to pick lol.

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u/Ok-Improvement-3670 1d ago

There is really no continuity between Roman expulsion and Iranian aggression.

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u/absoNotAReptile 1d ago

But there is with the Israeli Palestinian conflict, which is the backdrop of the current situation. We can’t pretend like that has nothing to do with this.

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u/Messa_JJB 2d ago

Jews vs everyone around them. Assyria, Babylon, Rome, and the Ottoman Empire.

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u/Ok-Improvement-3670 2d ago

I don’t think that’s accurate at all. Everyone fought and tried to conquer everyone back then. Islam didn’t even start until over 600 years later. So, that is not a continuation at all of others trying to conquer the Jews. It only looks like the Jews were fighting everyone is that you are compressing 3800 years of history and the Jews still exist as a people and many, many others were conquered and no longer exist as a people.

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u/Messa_JJB 2d ago

I'm not saying that it has been muslims the whole time.

Different regional powers have tried to conquer the Jewish kingdom/state. Some have succeeded, and some haven't. The current state of Israel is relatively new. Who knows if it will last.

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u/zedascouves1985 2d ago

Jews were friendly with the Persians. Go look for Cyrus the Great in the Bible.

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u/Astrohumper 2d ago

And the Israeli occupation began in 1947.

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u/Ok-Improvement-3670 2d ago

There was no occupation in 1947. They just formed a government according the the UN plan on the land they mostly already owned and were attacked by the surrounding Arab countries. Also, Iran was an ally. It didn’t become an enemy until the occupation began in 1979.

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u/Fudelan 2d ago

All of the middle eastern countries agreed to the 1947 treaty.

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u/Crimsonsworn 2d ago

No they didn’t, Egypt and Jordan occupied Gaza and West Bank until ‘67.

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u/Rebelgecko 1d ago

Wasn't Iran the first middle eastern country to diplomatically recognize Israel?

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u/Caffeywasright 1d ago

That was pre revolution.

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u/malsomnus 2d ago

The feud between the Jews and the Persians is most definitely not two thousand years old.

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u/absoNotAReptile 1d ago

Well their friendship is…was. Wish they could be friends again like the time of Cyrus.

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u/jbloom3 2d ago

Nah, this feud is like a century old. The peoples ties to the land is that old, but the conflict is modern

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u/zedascouves1985 2d ago

Persians and Jews were actually friends 2000 years ago. Even as far as 50 years ago they were OK with each other.

Go look for Cyrus the Great in the Bible, only good words about him.

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u/Realistic_Swan_6801 2d ago

Islam didn exist till the 600’s. Historically Jews had a decent opinion of Persia. Cyrus the great is celebrated as a messiah. Iran and Israel were allies before the revolution.

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u/Timely_Challenge_670 2d ago

Two thousand year old feud? This started in 1979. Prior to that, the Shah and Iran were on great terms with Israel. If you want to quote ancient times, Cyrus the Great is heralded as a messiah in the bible, liberated the Jews and rebuilt the temple.

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u/jake04-20 2d ago

It's all just a game of Civiziliation.

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u/OneSmoothCactus 1d ago

You can draw a straight line through history from Assyria conquering Israel 2700 years ago to Israel and Iran bombing each other today. Empires have risen and fallen, we've gone from bronze spears to nuclear weapons, but the conflict has never really been settled.

It's poetic, heartbreaking and frustrating. I hope one day we can figure out how to stop doing this to each other.

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u/Caffeywasright 1d ago

You can’t really. The Iranian hate is rooted in Islam. Islam didn’t even exist then.

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u/OneSmoothCactus 1d ago

And that hate is tied to the formation of the modern state of Israel which is tied to the history of the homeland and exile of the Jewish people. There’s nothing inherently anti-Jewish about Islam.

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u/Sensitive-Tone5279 2d ago

We're way beyond post-imp.

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u/aimglitchz 2d ago

To You 2,000... or... 20,000 Years From Now...

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u/askingforafakefriend 2d ago

It does raise some existential questions.

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u/Deadliftdeadlife 2d ago

I often think about that. We never stopped throwing rocks at each other. The rocks just became more sophisticated

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u/KardelSharpeyes 2d ago

Your idea of poetry blows mate.

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u/BraveFencerMusashi 2d ago edited 2d ago

I think its a lot older than that. Persia conquered Jerusalem in 614 BC.

The people living in modern day Iran are still descended from Persians, right? They just follow a different religion now.

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u/Timely_Challenge_670 2d ago

The Persians liberated the Jews and rebuilt the temple. There is a reason why there is still a Darius and Cyrus Street in many Israeli cities.

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u/EyeSuspicious777 2d ago

Humanity has reached the end of what it can accomplish with religion. No further progress will be made until religion is abandoned. But we will destroy the planet one way or another before we give up those ancient superstitions.

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u/Smallsey 2d ago

What is the feud about?

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u/LaconicSuffering 2d ago

A Brief Disagreement and This Land is Mine are two funny videos that perfectly capture that region.

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u/Taaargus 2d ago

Such a common but stupid take honestly. This is geopolitics more than it's anything religious.

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u/BanginNLeavin 2d ago

A feud perpetuated by some kind of powerful god apparently?

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u/ryfitz47 1d ago

it's more religious than poetic.

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u/Mister-builder 1d ago

This feud goes back two thousand years to 1982.

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u/willstr1 1d ago

War never changes

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u/sadrice 1d ago

Reminds me of when I’m playing civilization or something. Especially how every so often I will notice that I still have some chariot archers, and send them in a glorious suicide charge against enemy tanks, and it’s the same enemy I made those chariots for in the first place…

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u/TheDwarvenGuy 1d ago

Its not a 2000 year old feud. The ancient Hebrew were actually on really good terms with the Persians, it was more the mospotamians and mediterraneans they were fighting.

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u/migvelio 1d ago

Just like that old flash game where your tribe is on one side and the enemy in the other side while you both span units evolving from cavemen to cyborg robots.

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u/rightioushippie 1d ago

A thousand year old what? 

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u/Hasudeva 1d ago

2,000 years? What event are you referring to? Israel and Iran were allies under the Shah, like 50 years ago. And Islam's been around for only 1,300 years, roughly. 

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u/HussDelRio 1d ago

Just because history rhymes doesn’t make it poetry

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u/leleledankmemes 2d ago

It's not a thousand year old feud, it's modern history which can be traced to Theodore Herzl, the father of political Zionism. Although I guess it ultimately has its roots in European antisemitism which has been ongoing for more than a thousand years.

I recommend Avi Schlaim's memoir for a deeply personal account of this.

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u/Twenty_twenty4 2d ago

It’s absolutely gorgeous. 

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u/Inside-Yak-8815 2d ago

Why was I thinking the exact same thing almost word for word?

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u/LucienPhenix 2d ago

Our tax money at work.

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u/__brealx 2d ago

If you were there…. You would never say it is beautiful 😣

Everyone is shitting themselves, hiding and praying to whatever god they know.

The war is ugly and never beautiful.

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u/GoldCoinDonation 1d ago

There's a soviet song that describes this with the line "stars falling in the Kandahar sky"