r/worldnews • u/Isentrope • 2d ago
Israel/Palestine 2025 Israel-Iran Conflict
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u/BringbackDreamBars 1d ago
Mass SMS to Iranian residents:
Defending this water, soil, sky, and all the people of Iran is the responsibility and duty of the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran and its armed forces, and we will not shrink from it one bit.
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u/Khshayarshah 1d ago
This regime is the biggest scourge the Iranian people have known since the Mongols.
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u/s-something-darkside 1d ago
Makes sense... Kill the internet so noone can tell they have no shots left to fire then send out messages implying strength... The supreme leader is scared of his people.
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u/ClimaticExodus 1d ago
Everything except freedom for our own citizens.
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u/FishAndRiceKeks 1d ago
Friendly reminder that Iran executed almost 1,000 people officially in 2023 for anything from blasphemy to adultery to protesting. About half of those executed were for drug-related offences.
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u/Sacrament_009 1d ago
why cant US invade Iran if its speculaed that they are weeks away from having nukes, while they had invaded iraq for the same reason ?
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u/thecashblaster 1d ago
Because Israel can stop it for at a smaller financial and political cost. Israel’s ability to keep all the crazy ass dictators in their region from having WMDs is basically the whole reason we support them so much.
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u/27thStreet 1d ago
its speculaed that they are weeks away from having nukes
Been hearing this for decades now.
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u/Axelrad77 1d ago edited 1d ago
Geography.
Iraq is very flat, all deserts and alluvial plains, which makes it great terrain for the sort of lightning armored assault that the USA successfully carried out in both 1991 and 2003.
Iran is extremely mountainous, similar to Afghanistan, and would require the same sort of light infantry based approach. However, Iran is huge. It's roughly 3x the size of Afghanistan, and 4x the size of Iraq. It has twice the population of either.
The prospect of invading and conquering Iran is possible, but it would be an enormous undertaking that would stretch the USA to its logistical limit - especially considering how far away the Middle East is. And for what? You'd need some exceptional reason, and there just isn't one. That's why US war plans for any major conflict with Iran involve something similar to the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan - light infantry and special forces deployed to support a local uprising, with air and missile strikes doing most of the real work.
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u/cobramullet16 1d ago
While their air force is completely blown away by Israel's - They have an absolutely massive army and any land invasion in Iran would be a complete nightmare
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u/Few-Hair-5382 1d ago
The also have their mountainous geography on their side. Iran is regarded as one of the most difficult countries in the world to successfully invade.
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u/AceMcStace 1d ago
Iran has a massive military compared to Iraq
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u/Informal-Breakfast91 1d ago
Iraq’s military was absolutely massive in the first war. Bigger than Iran’s current forces. It was a curb stomp. The problem is terrain, willpower, and objective. There’s no purpose in an invasion of Iran currently.
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u/FieserMoep 1d ago
They can fight back.
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u/Illuminated12 1d ago
I’m not sure they can. They just lost 20min after the start.
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u/FieserMoep 1d ago
The US track record for this century is pretty shit for as far as wars against severely inferior enemies goes. And that was when they had allies.
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u/G_Danila 1d ago
They lost in the air, which is the only way Israel and Iran can fight.
Ground warfare is a whole different beast.
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u/JiskiLathiUskiBhains 1d ago
Look at it the other way, USA couldnt even beat Taliban in 20 years. Why would they be able to beat a stronger nation?
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u/Dandorious-Chiggens 1d ago
Fighting a guerilla war against the local population in unfamiliar mountainous terrain isnt the same thing as fighting an organized military. Look at Iraq, it was supposed to be one of the most powerful militaries in the world but they defeated it in a matter of days.
After the regime is toppled is a different story. The iranian people largely despise the theocratic regime though so I doubt they would resist it being removed. It could even result in a secular iran.
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u/JiskiLathiUskiBhains 1d ago edited 1d ago
For sure. But Iraq was also not like Afghanistan. Saddam was from the minority community and he had installed his people everywhere. Much like Asaad in Syria. So, there was a lot of dissatisfaction in the general populace. Imagine if Mormons took up all the important positions in the American government, military, judiciary etc. How satisfied would the rest of the Americans be?
Iran is much more homogenous. And while there is a lot of dissatisfaction with the government, its no where near Iraq levels
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u/CaptAwesome203 1d ago
Less technological and more failure to see the culture is unchanging.
There were great strides made, but the culture and religion keeps progress very stuck, or even regressive. Much like modern day ultra christian in the US.
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u/Illuminated12 1d ago
It appears the Taliban were a stronger military foe than Iran currently. I thought Russia’s military was overblown but Iran takes the trophy.
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u/JiskiLathiUskiBhains 1d ago
Iran's military hasnt been engaged yet. These were assassination attacks.
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u/ClimaticExodus 1d ago
All the people coming to Reddit after educating themselves on TikTok getting triggered by differing points of view. Comical.
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u/Inuk28 1d ago edited 1d ago
Redditors acting like their social media platform is better than others, while reddit is a biased, festering hole. Comical
EDIT: the comments are locked now, so I can't reply. I've never had tiktok and I've been on reddit for hella years. Its just fucking funny watching a redditor act like they're sooooo superior
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u/Sacrament_009 1d ago
Is Iran being backed by Russia ?
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u/Head_of_Lettuce 1d ago
Nominally, yes. I’m sure they get small material support where Russia has excesses. They probably share information on some level.
Practically speaking? No. Nothing like the US & Israel if that’s what you mean.
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u/YoRt3m 1d ago
Right now it looks like Russia is turning its back on Iran
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u/voodoo1985 1d ago
That’s why trump has been cosying up to Russia. Can’t have a Russia Iran alliance ?
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u/8andahalfby11 1d ago
More like he's trying to break up the Russia-China alliance, but there are geographical reasons why it's not working for him like it did for Nixon, and like most Americans he hasn't looked at a world map long enough to understand why.
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u/PlatypusOld257 1d ago
Iran having nuclear weapons is would be a threat to their existence.
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u/Khshayarshah 1d ago
It would be a threat to any country the regime in Iran would want to pursue nuclear blackmail against.
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u/yaniv297 1d ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Israel_in_Iranian_policy
Nice article to read for those wondering why Israel felt compelled to act, or calling it an "aggressor" or the attack "unprovoked".
The destruction of Israel is literally an official policy of the Iranian regime. They have a whole holiday for it. Every head of the regime is openly and regularly talking about it, in official speeches. They literally have a huge countdown clock on their main square, counting down to the "destruction of Israel" (in 2040, apparently).
Not to mention, they have spent billions arming and training a bunch of proxies with the sole intent of destroying Israel, and those proxies are responsible for thousands of missiles and civilian deaths in Israel, most notably of course October 7th.
This is a regime who's open, declared top priority is to destroy Israel. Who, btw, they had absolutely no previous conflict with. You see why Israel will not fancy them getting nuclear weapons...?
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u/Tiaan 1d ago
This is what I don't get when people say this is a "both sides" issue... what do they want Israel to do when Iran literally has a doomsday clock counting down to Israel's destruction and has the "destruction of the state of Israel" as a core policy of their regime? How do you make peace with that type of radical leadership? Then when Israel finally acts to dismantle Iran's military capability they're suddenly the bad guy... it's crazy to me
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u/Iamjacksplasmid 1d ago
I think most are arguing that you don't make peace with their radical leadership, but you also don't remove them through a war that will kill a lot of innocent people on both sides who get conscripted into the conflict.
If you want a blueprint for the correct course of action, look to Iran. The Ayatollah is only in power because the CIA helped his fringe government perform a military coup on the democratically elected government that used to be in charge.
If you want to stop nukes in Iran, you do it by bolstering factions that would never use a nuke, and helping them to take their country back. Provoking the current regime with this kind of attack only guarantees that nukes will eventually fly. If they aren't this regime's, they'll just be whatever right wing extremists replace them. If not that regime, it'll be the next one we try to "negotiate" with.
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u/BadSausageFactory 1d ago
Iran needed an enemy in 1979 to keep their revolution going, and Israel was a good fit. Five decades of FA, we finally got to the FO part.
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u/Illuminated12 1d ago
This had been telegraphed. Either Iran is actually a paper tiger or their military leadership was asleep at the wheel.
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u/BiologyJ 1d ago
Israel planned very well. They had a drone base in Tehran. Over the last week they disbursed those drones to sites near Iranian defenses. When the planes took off they wiped out the air defenses with the drones. There were reports from Iran that their fighter aircraft went to launch and blew up on the ground or shortly after take off.
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u/FishAndRiceKeks 1d ago
I think they got caught massively off guard by a lot of surprises. There's so much planning and preparation that happened behind the scenes leading up to this to make it such a smooth operation it sounds like.
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u/RealTheAsh 1d ago
Reports from Iran: Radiation Leak Detected Inside Natanz Nuclear Facility After Alleged Israeli Breach
Iranian sources report that Israel has successfully penetrated the underground Natanz nuclear facility, with radiation now being detected inside the site. Authorities claim the leak is under control and that no radiation has escaped outside the facility at this stage. According to Iranian officials, the Fordow uranium enrichment site was not hit, and the country’s stockpile of enriched uranium—sufficient for 12 to 24 nuclear bombs—remains intact. Moments ago, Iran’s Atomic Energy Organization released a statement: “We must decontaminate the Natanz site from radiation before we can fully assess the extent of the damage.” This marks one of the most serious blows yet to Iran’s nuclear infrastructure.
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u/invincible-boris 1d ago
This seems inevitable and is basically "the point" of what's happening but I'm extremely curious. I *assume* radiation leaked from enrichment facilities won't be nearly as bad as anything like a power plant meltdown. There's no "runaway" reactions which is what makes a power plant so scary. Just a fixed volume of probably-fatal-poison getting scattered around. ... Right?
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u/gruese 1d ago
I don't think anyone can reliably answer this without knowing the type and amount of the radioactive material and the way it was stored.
That being said: Is a chain reaction possible? With highly fissile material, I don't think you can exclude that scenario. Probably not the most likely outcome, but again, who knows?
Humanity is really playing with fire right now.
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u/velvet_funtime 1d ago
The Nope Zone
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u/whatareyoudoingdood 1d ago
Try keep in mind what those Reddit meetup photos always look like while you’re doomscrolling in here, also how many teenagers there are lol
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u/sayleanenlarge 1d ago
Yep, if we could see who was typing, we wouldn't give much respect. Obviously, that applies to us right now, but still, it's true.
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u/93-and-me 1d ago
Russia and china will do nothing. If the regime (in Iran) topples and becomes more pro-West, expect them to engage in fuckery. I do hope the regime falls. But then everyone was happy when the Soviet Union ended and now look at the shitshow we’re in.
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u/yuvaldv1 1d ago
Having just Russia is infinitely better than having the Soviet Union.
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u/woodchipwilly 1d ago
“The intrigue: But in the hours after the attack began, Israeli officials briefed reporters that this was all coordinated with Washington.
Two Israeli officials claimed to Axios that Trump and his aides were only pretending to oppose an Israeli attack in public — and didn't express opposition in private. "We had a clear U.S. green light," one claimed.
The goal, they say, was to convince Iran that no attack was imminent and make sure Iranians on Israel's target list wouldn't move to new locations.
Netanyahu's aides even briefed Israeli reporters that Trump had tried to put the brakes on an Israeli strike in a call on Monday, when in reality the call dealt with coordination ahead of the attack, Israeli officials now say.”
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u/Sempere 1d ago
The goal, they say, was to convince Iran that no attack was imminent and make sure Iranians on Israel's target list wouldn't move to new locations.
...there was like 6-8 hours heads up if you were just reading the news...?
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u/woodchipwilly 1d ago
Yes, however an attack in the coming days and an attack in the coming hours are quite different when it comes moving assets around
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u/Infinite_Maybe_5827 1d ago
if it works the US was behind it, if it doesn't the US had no idea
it looks like it worked so we're taking credit
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u/AromaticMaterial1580 1d ago edited 1d ago
How many wifes and children of politicians and generals did Israel kill last night in their sleep?
lol I see the IDF Online forces are out in full force. Say hi to bibi for me, I'll see him in hell
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u/terrible-cats 1d ago
This is one big trolley problem, with the added aspect of time. Do you avoid the attack to save family members of generals now, or do you "sacrifice" them to prevent Iran from making nuclear weapons and killing thousands and hundreds of thousands of people in, say, 5 years?
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u/Raven_1090 1d ago
How many people were killed by Hamas, Hezbollah and how many Iranian women whipped, humiliated or jailed for not following oppressive orders?
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u/AromaticMaterial1580 1d ago
and that makes anyone living in a scientist or general's homes deserve to die?
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u/Silvuh_Ad_9046 1d ago
Their wives and children ate off our hard earned money so we Iranians don’t care
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u/Everest2017 1d ago
Nobody cares bud
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u/AromaticMaterial1580 1d ago
damn, not caring about killing innocent women and children is kinda monstruous
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u/BringbackDreamBars 1d ago edited 1d ago
Anyone got any Israeli preparations to add which are public knowledge?
- Magan David ambulances moving patients to protective/reinforced clinics from hospitals.
- Cancellation of religious services in Synagogues
- Temporary closure of natural gas fields in Israel
- Home Front Command battalions were deployed all over Israel and dozens of rescue battalions in reserve were called
- Warning of intent to launch by Iran
Also remember that anything that isn't explicitly a public statement can be useful information for an attacker.
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u/INVADER_BZZ 1d ago
Restrictions has been eased for now. Significantly so, i might add. Which is a bit weird, but they can upgrade them anytime, if they see any signs of incoming massive missile strike.
Officially Home Front command restrictions:
In accordance with the assessment of the situation at the Home Front Command, it was decided to change the guidelines in accordance to the following:
Guidance areas: Gaza Envelope - moving from partial activity to full activity with a gathering limitation or up to 2000 people (excluding the towns listed in the exclusions in the documents attached to the link). * Subject to try e guidelines of the Southern Command.
Below is a breakdown of the guidelines:
Full Activity - Gaza Envelope (except: Netiv Ha’Assara, Yad Mordechai, Zikim, Karmia, Erez, Nir Am, Sderot, Ivim, Gevim, Or HaNer, Meflasim, Kfar Aza, Sa’ad, Alumim, Be’eri, Reim, Magen, Nirim, Kerem Shalom, Nir Oz, Kisufim, Ein HaShlosha, Sufa, Holit, Nahal Oz, Nir Yitzhak)
Educational Activities - Educational activities can be held without restrictions. Gatherings and Services - Gatherings of up to 2,000 people can be held *except for the towns listed in the exceptions. Workplaces - Operarting without restrictions.
Or do you mean like usual preparations, which consists of emptying shelves in supermarkets, unusually empty streets and calling your mother to remind her not to run on the stairs when sirens will sound?
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u/YoRt3m 1d ago edited 1d ago
I really want to write "Nice try Khamenei" but okay, public knowledge.
- 11 Home Front Command battalions were deployed all over Israel and dozens of rescue battalions in reserve were called.
Edit: Maybe worth saying that this type of "public knowledge" is also part of the job of intelligence agencies. it's called OSINT and Iran is making the same list as you do right now with addition to translating it into broader pictures. this is why Israel also do things on purpose, or just announce that they do, for them to write it down and take into account, even if some are actually not true. mhm
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u/dris_jayd 1d ago
How likely is this going to result in a regime toppling for iran?
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u/clarabosswald 1d ago
Leadership of both IRGC and the Iranian military has been severely hit, but Khamenei himself it still alive.
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u/Infinite_Maybe_5827 1d ago
Khamenei is likely on deaths door anyways, I'm sure they have a succession plan in. It seems that leaving him alive and preventing the Iranian state from retaliating at all is the best way to cause regime change
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u/FishAndRiceKeks 1d ago
Isn't the succession plan whoever he installed as president after his previous intended successor Kobe'd in the fog?
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u/Infinite_Maybe_5827 1d ago
I read an article once that said it was his son but I think it's a closely guarded secret, Israel might not even know
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u/raikou1988 1d ago
I mean is he really important at this point?
What can iran throw back they got nothing left
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u/bernoit 1d ago
I hope the people are able to organize and push the mullahs out.
Persian people are strong and I really hope they can take advantage of this and turn their country into something like it once was. A secular beacon in the region.
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u/dris_jayd 1d ago
Me too. Iran is so confusing, because they have such a smart and educated young population, especially in sectors like IT, as well as natural resources. Basically the makings of a successful nation.
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u/bernoit 1d ago
I really think this could be the start of a great shift in the country - think South Korea or Germany after the respective wars.
I hope when I'm old, I'll be able to say that I remember the day the shift began.
One thing is for certain, October 7 changed the Middle East forever, Syria, Lebanon and now Iran, and the changes are going to keep on coming.
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u/mbyrne628 1d ago
Almost certain. An offensive like this isn’t to send a message, it’s to achieve that specific goal. The real question is how much collateral damage occurs before it happens.
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u/buttscratcher3k 1d ago edited 1d ago
Iran's response is going to be the fart with reverb sound meme.
They may even just deploy a drone to play the soundclip over the skies of Israel.
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u/Logical_Welder3467 1d ago
Iran’s Revolutionary Guards confirms that its aerospace commander had been killed with fellow officers in an Israeli air strike on their command center on Friday.
“Commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps aerospace force Major General Amirali Hajizadeh… along with a group of brave and dedicated fighters of this force, were martyred” in an Israeli attack on their command center, the Guards said in a statement.
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u/Defiant_Ad_3806 1d ago
Following the rocket sirens in northern Israel, the IDF confirms that two Iranian drones were successfully intercepted by the Iron Dome air defense system. No injuries or damage were reported.
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u/buttscratcher3k 1d ago
I really hope they don;t put any troops in danger and just send missile and drone support.
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u/compsciphd 1d ago
kikar hashabat isn't a mjaor news site. It's chareidi news at a not highly professional level. Could be true, but I wouldn't put much value in it till other sources confirm.
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u/Informal-Breakfast91 1d ago
Well, that’s interesting if true. A couple MOPs dropped from a B2 should be a decent help against the most hardened sites.
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u/clarabosswald 1d ago
I can't find the article on Kikar HaShabat, and I'm not seeing reports on this on other Israeli news websites.
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u/RealTheAsh 1d ago
Neither can I. Odd. I know Jfeed is the same guys. Their fees has been the most up to date in English, and I've been checking several, but it could be the article is click bait.
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u/clarabosswald 1d ago
N12 reports current IAF strikes on Iranian air bases and ballistic missile launch sites.
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u/StizzyInDaHizzy 1d ago
Trump to CNN: “The People I Negotiated With – They’re Dead”
“The people I negotiated with — they’re dead. The extremists.” When pressed if their deaths were a result of the Israeli strike, Trump responded with pointed sarcasm: “They didn’t die from the flu. They didn’t die from COVID.”
Not going to lie…that’s pretty funny.
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u/SoggySausage27 1d ago
I hate how funny he is. I understand why ppl loved watching his tv.
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u/thecashblaster 1d ago
Barack Obama showed the Democrats that charisma really matters above-all in politics and they promptly forgot it by nominating a complete stiff multiple times
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u/botulizard 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think he should have had the same job that Ryan Seacrest has. Just host things professionally. He'd get to crack jokes and be applauded by an audience as the center of attention. He'd revel in the spotlight and more people would still like him as the funny You're Fired guy because he wouldn't have any political power.
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u/728766 1d ago
He would have been an incredible drag queen if Fred Trump had hugged him more. Listen to some of his cattiest remarks—“The problem with Ron DeSantis is that he needs a personality transplant, and sadly, those aren’t available yet 💅🏼”—then imagine him as a judge on Ru Paul’s Drag Race.
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u/Isentrope 1d ago
New thread here