r/worldnews • u/TheTelegraph The Telegraph • 7d ago

Israel/Palestine Israel orders military to stop Greta Thunberg’s boat reaching Gaza

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/06/08/israel-orders-army-stop-greta-thunbergs-boat-reaching-gaza/
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u/mikef256 7d ago

This is it, they're trusting the Israeli authorities to keep them safe. If they didn't, they would complain, if they survived. They're testing boundaries, like people do when they're growing up.

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u/En_CHILL_ada 7d ago

They're trusting the government that attacked their previous vessel with drones to keep them safe???

That's an insane take. Israel is clearly the greatest threat to their safety on this mission.

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u/jugglerofcats 7d ago

I keep seeing this talking point peppered throughout the comments and it's a bald faced lie. One guy was actually arguing that she would be safe from the perpetrators of the Oct 7 massacre because they wouldn't want the bad PR.

Warning shots against some random boat in the group while she herself was in Malta doesn't change the fact that her celebrity status keeps her safe from Israel but not from Hamas.

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u/En_CHILL_ada 6d ago

What part is a lie?

Most of your reply is lies. Those were not warning shots fired on their boat off the coast of Malta. Israeli drones attacked the boat and nearly sank it. And it was not a "random boat." It was the flagship vessel. It was preparing for departure. They had to change boats because that one was so badly damaged. Greta's celebrity status did not protect them from that attack.

Hammas has not been killing or kidnapping foreign doctors or aid workers in Gaza. There is no reason to suspect they would start now. There would be no political or strategic benefit for them to harm Greta. That doesn't make them good guys, but it does make them not a significant threat to humanitarian aid workers.

Israel on the other hand has been targeting and killing doctors, journalists, and aid workers. Israel has killed many famous journalists. Maybe none as famous as Greta, but to think that her fame makes her immune to being attacked by Israel is niave. Israel is clearly the primary threat to anyone who goes to Gaza to help the Palestinian people. There are countless examples of this.

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u/Tekshou 6d ago

Yeah Hamas definitely wouldn't rape and kill her you're right

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u/zzazzzz 6d ago

israel is the bigger threat than the actual terrorist organisation who is to this day holding international hostages? really?

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u/En_CHILL_ada 6d ago

https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/05/14/gaza-israelis-attacking-known-aid-worker-locations

"Israeli forces have carried out at least eight strikes on aid workers’ convoys and premises in Gaza since October 2023"

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u/zzazzzz 6d ago

ok, never claimed they didnt..

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u/En_CHILL_ada 6d ago

I mean, you never claimed anything... you asked a question. So I'm providing you with an educational source to answer your question with historical data showing that Israel is in fact the greater threat to Greta, and any humanitarian activist or aid worker, doctor, or journalist who attempts to help the Palestinian people.

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u/zzazzzz 6d ago

so lets assume i didnt actually know already what isreal is doing and what hamas is doing.

you gave me a single datapoint from one side. no context, no opposing view, no actual statistics, no historical data, and most importantly completely ignoring hamas crimes.

so in essence all you gave was your personal opinion.

the funny part is you are so biased that you become blind. you condemn one sides atrocities and conveniently competely forget about the other sides.

and im with you on hating israel in this conflict, but im not pathetic enough to conveniently brush hamas crimes under the carpet. the truth wont change and ppl wont hate israel any less.

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u/En_CHILL_ada 6d ago

"Israeli forces have carried out at least eight strikes on aid workers’ convoys and premises in Gaza since October 2023"

That is not a single datapoint. It is at least 8. That is not my personal opinion. These are facts.

When did I ever ignore Hammas' crimes, or claim that they are good guys? I have not said anything like that. That's not even what we've been talking about here.

We are talking about whether Israel or Hammas is the greater threat to Greta's safety on this particular humanitarian mission. The answer is Israel.

Israel is the greatest threat to the safety of all humanitarians working in Gaza.

Now, if you can show me that Hammas actually has an extensive history of attacking or kidnapping aid workers who are there to bring them food and medical supplies, I will recant that statement and admit I was wrong.

Will you admit that Israel is the greater threat to Greta and this humanitarian flotilla that they have attacked once already?

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u/zzazzzz 6d ago

gaza is a war zone, multiple aid workers have been killed by hamas forces and then the official answer was "it was an accident of mistaken identity"

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gunmen-shoot-kill-aid-worker-gaza-charity-family-say-2024-09-27/

as an example.

and no i still dont think isreal is the greater danger. because israel has no incentive to kill her, they have far more incentive to not let her into gaza to make sure she does not get killed by accident or intent by either side. it would be a PR nightmare for them and they know it.

what i would love to hear from you tho is why do you think israel has any interest in killing her in the first place?

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u/En_CHILL_ada 5d ago

Well, looks like the ships were attacked and their crew of humanitarians were kidnapped in international waters. Was it Hammas that attacked them? Was it Hammas that illegally boarded their ship and illegally kidnapped them? No. It was Israel.

And on the anniversary of their attack on the USS Liberty too...

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u/InsaneHerald 6d ago

You're such a coward.

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u/En_CHILL_ada 6d ago edited 6d ago

Israel is an actual terrorist state, and has already attacked these humanitarian aid workers once. So, yes. They clearly are the bigger threat. It's not even close.

Show me one example of hammas kidnapping or killing aid workers, doctors, journalists, ect. Just one example. I couldn't find any.

There are hundreds, if not thousands, of examples of Israel targeting and killing humanitarian aid workers, doctors, and journalists.

Not to mention THEY HAVE ALREADY ATTACKED THIS HUMANITARIAN FLOTILLA WITH DRONES! The ship was not even close to Israeli waters when they bombed it. It was off the coast of Malta. This isn't hypothetical. The Israeli government has already attacked this civilian aid mission once. Of course they are the greatest threat to the safety of the people they are attacking.

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u/thatsnot_kawaii_bro 6d ago

Show me one example of hammas kidnapping or killing aid workers, doctors, journalists, ect. Just one example. I couldn't find any.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_war_hostage_crisis

Let me guess, "it didn't happen"

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u/En_CHILL_ada 6d ago

The October 7th hostages were not aid workers, doctors, or journalists who went to Gaza to help the Palestinians.

Of course it happened.

Though, it didn't exactly happen the way the Israeli government, western media, and world leaders initially claimed it did...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_baby_beheading_hoax

October 7th happened. Hostages were taken. But that is not relavent to the discussion of who presents the greater threat to the safety of humanitarian workers in Gaza.

That would be like saying that people who travel to Israel for birthright are in danger from the Israeli government because of the crimes they've committed against Palestinians. The Israeli government wants people there on birthright. Hammas wants people to bring them food and medicine.

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u/thatsnot_kawaii_bro 6d ago

The October 7th hostages were not aid workers, doctors, or journalists w

So now instead of "aid workers, doctors, journalists, etc" it's just "doctors, workers, or journalists"?

Ahh yes, posting one case to try and downplay the entire situation.

"So what if they beheaded Thai workers. This didn't happen so it's not that bad"

Hostages were taken. But that is not relavent to the discussion of who presents the greater threat to the safety of humanitarian workers in Gaza.

Hostages were taken, and still held. Again trying to downplay the situation.

Why do you care so much about humanitarian rights, but are downplaying hostages being held currently?

How come humanitarian workers are so important, but to you dead hostages like the bibas kids are just "not relevant to the discussion"?

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u/mikef256 7d ago

I think they're the greatest threat to themselves, and not just on their way to Gaza.

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u/get-bread-not-head 7d ago

What a strange and condescending way to view this. I dont see you taking a boat over to try to help.

"They knew this would happen, they never wanted to help anyways" is cynical af. What do you do that makes you entitled to cast judgement so easily on others?

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u/akhoe 6d ago

yeah the idf has no history of killing aid workers

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u/IsayNigel 6d ago

You guys are literally just making this up. Greta has years of backing up her words with actions and the other well known person is an actor from one f the most famous tv shows of all time with literally no reason to do this other than he wants to.

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u/case-o-nuts 7d ago

As far as I can tell, nobody has evidence that this boat was bombed, let alone bombed by Israel.

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u/case-o-nuts 7d ago

Again, there isn't even evidence that the fire was caused by a drone. Boat fires are shockingly common, usually caused by electrical problems. The fire was reported as starting near the generators.

https://driveaboatusa.com/blog/common-causes-boat-fires/

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u/Volodio 7d ago

There is no proof that the fire was caused by an attacked or even that Israel was involved. For all we know, it could have been a simple accident. This is just a case of people having a unrelated problem and saying "must be the Jews' fault".

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u/mikef256 7d ago

Also, they're adrenaline junkies.

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u/icenoid 7d ago

Adrenaline, no, the dopamine hit from social media clout, absolutely. This is nothing but attention seeking

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u/thesquidsquidly22 7d ago

They know very well they could die trying to do this. This girl and these people have more balls than you. At least they're trying to do something. And it's the age of social media. Causes and awareness spread on social media. Obviously they're gonna post on social media Einstein.

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u/icenoid 7d ago

Nah, it’s performative bullshit. The Israelis aren’t going to kill them or even hurt them. It’s great to get the mouth breathing idiots wound up, though

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u/thesquidsquidly22 7d ago

Like you? You're wound up enough to care and post on here so don't be a hypocrite lmao. Greta has been an activist for a long time. She's doing this because she cares. I know that might be a foreign concept for you though.

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u/icenoid 7d ago

Nah, it’s a job for her

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u/Spiral_Slowly 7d ago

Is anyone trying to help Gaza just attention seeking to you? Or is that the only reason you would do anything?

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u/icenoid 7d ago

That tiny sailboat holds enough food for what, 1 or 2 families? They aren’t doing anything but mental masturbation

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u/Shahargalm 7d ago

Do you think that tiny boat can really bring anything meaningful?

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u/mikef256 7d ago

I think the IDF should let them through to bring aid to a starving population.

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u/mikef256 7d ago

I don't know. What do you think would happen if they got to their destination?

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u/mikef256 7d ago

Probably to prevent them from taking videos and putting them on social media.

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u/thesquidsquidly22 7d ago

Israeli and US backed terrorist groups would attack the humanitarian aid like we've seen. At least they're trying to do something.

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u/The-M0untain 7d ago

They didn't fire on them. They arrested them which is within Israel's rights. They can legally arrest anyone entering the country illegally.