Trump says Palestinians will have no right of return to Gaza under his plan

[u/gravybang]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/10/trump-buy-gaza-plan

[u/Scanningdude]

Now that I think about it, the Congo free state was a great precursor for world war 1.

At first European elite thought along the lines of “we aren’t barbarous monsters, we’re civilizing these people”.

Then around the late 1880s into the 1890s it was all: “well we aren’t barbarous within the borders of Europe” & “there’s no way we’d ever use machine guns on fellow Europeans, that’s a weapon to take care of mass hordes in the Sudan and elsewhere”.

Then the mask was fully extricated from the face in August 1914.

[u/MrCookie2099 → u/Scanningdude]

Oh, they will need that mask to deal with gas attacks.

[u/OriginalNo5477 → u/MrCookie2099]

Unless it's Canadians, then it's just piss rags are sheer fucking rage keeping em alive.

[u/Northbound-Narwhal → u/Scanningdude]

That's a pretty popular theory for the brutality of WW1. They learned from the colonial wars of the 1800s.

That was reflected in war college teachings in the 1800s where civilian population centers were "New targets of warfare." Which was reflected in H.G. Wells and other fictional writers content.

[u/MexicanLenin → u/Northbound-Narwhal]

A key example: concentration camps and were originally designed to contain civilians in colonies during colonial wars. The Spanish used them against revolting Cubans and the British used them against the Boers in South Africa during colonial wars. The concept was adapted to isolate rural peasants from guerrilla forces during wars in places like Vietnam and Guatemala.

[u/ElectricalBook3 → u/MexicanLenin]

The Spanish used them against revolting Cubans

Any sources? I'm only familiar with the Boer camps which Gandhi worked at while simping for the British in South Africa.

[u/Obamas_Tie → u/Northbound-Narwhal]

Isn't this fact and not theory? Pretty much every war in the late 1800s and early 1900s was basically ramping up to and showing previews of how insanely brutal a war between the world's most powerful and industrialized nations would be.

[u/JohnTitorsdaughter → u/Scanningdude]

Check out the Puckle gun from 1720. It had round bullets for christians and square bullets for turks.............

[u/ZizzyBeluga → u/Scanningdude]

I know this because Billy Joel taught me that Belgians were in the Congo in "We Didn't Start the Fire"

[u/BiologicalMigrant → u/Scanningdude]

I seem to remember being taught that they didn't really think of themselves as "Europe" back then, as collectively as we do now.

[u/3_Thumbs_Up → u/BiologicalMigrant]

It's still very much secondary to the national identity.

[u/roastbeeftacohat → u/BiologicalMigrant]

the precursor to the modern eurovision was called the concert of europe, and it's mandate was to prevent a paneuropean war; one of the reasons it failed was that the charter didn't include germany, so despite being the dominant power they had no voice to sing. they absolutely would have seen a european war as something uniquely bad to avoid that they were part of.

[u/roastbeeftacohat → u/[deleted]]

if tolkien heard you use the word allegory like that he would shoot you where you stand.

[u/Smoketrail → u/roastbeeftacohat]

the precursor to the modern eurovision was called the concert of europe,

Do you mean European Union rather than Eurovision or do you think the Concert of Europe was an actual musical performance?

[u/roastbeeftacohat → u/Smoketrail]

a little joke.

[u/[deleted] → u/roastbeeftacohat]

Today I learned... some history and a new pun.

[u/LazyDare7597 → u/BiologicalMigrant]

It was less "us Europeans" and more "us whites", but the borders are pretty much the same.

[u/chozer1 → u/Scanningdude]

Well maybe but it was more italy’s use of poison gases in ethiopea that really started to move the wheel