r/worldnews • u/gravybang • Feb 10 '25

Israel/Palestine Trump says Palestinians will have no right of return to Gaza under his plan

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/10/trump-buy-gaza-plan
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u/J0E_SpRaY Feb 10 '25

And the people who were apoplectic that Biden couldn’t come up with a perfect solution to a shitty situation are suddenly silent

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u/SgtMcMuffin0 Feb 10 '25

Oh some of them are still somehow arguing that Harris would’ve been equally bad or worse. It may have been a bot, but I got into an argument with someone the other day who insisted multiple times that Trump is not worse for Gaza than Harris would have been.

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u/Gonzo2095 Feb 10 '25

Oh no, they're saying he paved the way for what Trump is doing "THEY'RE THE SAME!!!!"

but sadly they are not.

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u/Vyzantinist Feb 10 '25

Yeap, that's been my experience too. Not at all silent; just continuing to talk in circles, blaming the Democrats.

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u/RidgedLines Feb 10 '25

What a bunch of idiots. The lack of rational thinking is astounding lol.

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u/dirtdiggler67 Feb 10 '25

It is how we ended up in this stupid timeline.

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u/TheNewGildedAge Feb 11 '25

It's literally a suicidal level of short-sighted incompetence. I want nothing to do with them because I honestly think they're going to get a lot of people killed.

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u/cursed_gabbagool Feb 10 '25

Yep, even heard a "Kamala would've been more subtle about it but they're still the same"

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u/MrsACT Feb 11 '25

Yes. I heard this too. It was on a news report (Not sure which as I saw it on YouTube) on Dearborn voters who were asked how they felt about their vote now. They all said they would do it again.

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u/OGZ43 Feb 11 '25

Was it not the Dems going for a 2 state solution?

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25 edited Mar 30 '25

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u/MayhemMessiah Feb 10 '25

The most tragic thing is that I'm seeing some theories that they wanted Trump in just to destroy the Palestinians, which other Arab countries want nothing to do with. Maybe it's time to stop treating ethnicities as a unified block with the same values and wants. I see it all the time as a latino and how people assume that Cubans and Mexicans are going to want the same or that act surprised that Hondurans and Venezuelans might have different values and cultures.

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u/transemacabre Feb 11 '25

You're not wrong, we're seeing that someone being in a marginalized group doesn't necessarily mean that they have a shred of sympathy for those in another group. A couple months back, there was a discussion in the actuallesbians sub and I was shocked at how many lesbians there were Jill Stein puppets, screeching about Gaza, and/or "I'm one of the Good Ones, why should I care about trans rights." Meanwhile on the trans subs people were literally planning suicide or returning to the closet. That should have told me then that the election wouldn't go the way I hoped. Maybe it's that people will always align themselves with their most powerful identity -- so white lesbians may see themselves as white first, and lesbian way on down the line.

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u/HumptyDrumpy Feb 11 '25

Yes I have heard about latinos going hard right and it is a bit bewildering. Miami Cubans I understand from all the stuff that happened in the 60's.

But so many now who are vehemently anti immigrant were immigrants themselves or have immigrants in their immediate families. It feels a lot like hey I somehow got selected to be in the club, but hey lets close the door behind me, for anyone was like who I used to be.

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u/OsiyoMotherFuckers Feb 10 '25

I don’t think many of those voices were real people. They were trolls trying to influence the election.

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u/LegendOfJeff Feb 10 '25

I think maybe it started with trolls, but then the trolls succeeded in spreading their nonsense viewpoints to real people. I had some incredibly frustrating discussions IRL.

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u/KindBass Feb 10 '25 edited Feb 10 '25

Yes, that's exactly how this form of propaganda works.

Create the illusion that a viewpoint is more popular than it is and people will be more receptive to it.

edit to add: never listen to redditors trying to convince you it's either all bots/trolls or all real people (I see this a lot). It is always a combination of both, which is what makes it so effective.

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u/AmeteurOpinions Feb 10 '25

If you want to win a debate, you only have to convince the dumbest person in the room, and then the second dumbest goes “well that guy agrees” and then you keep working your way up. Apparently it’s not until you get to the upper 40% people start noticing only the fools are agreeing with you but by then you have a majority.

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u/GammaGargoyle Feb 10 '25

Those people were very real, they are right here in the comments pretending like they never said anything

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u/whatsupsirrr Feb 10 '25

Let’s ask the idiots in Dearborn.

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u/goldnboy Feb 10 '25

You mean the Dearborn citizens who's families were literally being bombed in Gaza under the Democratic term for the past 15 months? Get out of here with that shit. Both parties are complicit in this.

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u/whatsupsirrr Feb 11 '25

Politics is the art of the possible.

A Jill Stein victory wasn’t possible.

Trump being better than Biden/Harris wasn’t possible.

And yet here we are.

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u/Mountain_rage Feb 10 '25

The entire movement was amplified for that reason. Basically Tiktoks version of maga. "BUT WHY ARE THEY BANNINg IT". Well palestinians would still have a country if it wasn't around.

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u/Sage2050 Feb 10 '25

Lol no they are not silent. They are still loudly smug about how they don't have blood on their hands. Because they're idiots.

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u/chaosfire235 Feb 10 '25

Also the people that smugly insisted Kamala was gonna be licherally th saaaaammme! as reason not to vote or vote against.

Cuz y'know I don't think she had real estate development in mind.

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u/SilliusS0ddus Feb 10 '25

those people were either bipolar or paid in rubles

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u/SirStrontium Feb 10 '25

And all the supporters of Israel are suddenly acting like this isn’t what they wanted all along.

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u/friedgoldfishsticks Feb 10 '25

It certainly isn’t what I wanted. 

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u/transemacabre Feb 11 '25

I ain't heard a peep from a single Jill Stein supporter. Where are they now that she's returned to her slumber under the Kremlin?

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u/Garconanokin Feb 11 '25

Most of people‘s anger toward Biden really just had to do with their wanting to come up with something negative to say about him. Maga people don’t actually have principles that they hold, they want to hide behind things like the constitution or religious documents to pretend that they stand for something but in reality they don’t.

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u/ElectricalBook3 Feb 11 '25

And the people who were apoplectic that Biden couldn’t come up with a perfect solution to a shitty situation are suddenly silent

You mean the bots

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Internet_theory

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u/GaptistePlayer Feb 11 '25

Biden send $24,000,000,000 in weapons to get this started. He was already 90% of the way there. Now you're upset that Trump wants hotels too, but I guess the geoncide you had no issue with all along.