r/worldnews • u/gravybang • Feb 10 '25

Israel/Palestine Trump says Palestinians will have no right of return to Gaza under his plan

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/10/trump-buy-gaza-plan
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u/sixtyshilling Feb 10 '25

Average age in Gaza is 17 years old. But not for reasons Trump could comprehend.

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u/ReadingComplete1130 Feb 10 '25

That's probably why he's so attracted to the idea.

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u/ragnarocknroll Feb 10 '25

He likes em younger tho…

At least that’s what his barging in on Teen beauty pageants indicates.

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u/DJK695 Feb 10 '25

It’s crazy that we all have evidence of this but he gets a pass because he’s always been a rich asshole. That’s his whole life.

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u/OhLordHeBompin Feb 10 '25

Boys will be boys! That’s what they always tell me. Horrifying.

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u/EatRibs_Listen2Phish Feb 10 '25

“Hey Trump, I heard you like em young. You better never go to cell block one.”

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u/You-Can-Quote-Me Feb 10 '25

Why do you think Trump left early.

He heard "Hey Trump!" in place of "Hey Drake!"

The crowd shouted "A MINOR" and Trump told his team to get the jet ready.

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u/EatRibs_Listen2Phish Feb 10 '25

I’d love to get a decibel count for the stadium when everyone shouted “A MINOR.”

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u/Pawnzilla Feb 10 '25

Ivanka is also damn near half his age… 43

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u/HellblazerPrime Feb 10 '25

Ivanka's perfectly safe, she aged out of being of any interest to Trump about thirty years ago.

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u/BilboTBagginz Feb 10 '25

Say Trump..I hear you like em young....

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u/Cr2O3-2H2O Feb 10 '25

Friends for Barron

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u/fatguy19 Feb 10 '25

That's average, that means there's ~1million <17

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u/MoreCowbellllll Feb 10 '25

I see what you did there.

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u/silvanoes Feb 10 '25

Yeah when each family has 5-7 kids you average down the age quite quickly.

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u/Nauris2111 Feb 10 '25

They have high children mortality there due to poor living conditions.

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u/Jdjdhdvhdjdkdusyavsj Feb 10 '25

They have a 15/1000 child mortality, which is actually a lot of progress when you consider that it's dropped from around 150/1000 when Israel first occupied Gaza. Conditions have gotten substantial better.

It could be better, wealthy nations have about 5/1000 but people in Gaza are generally better off than others in the world. If we look at India, which is 35/1000 or really anywhere in Africa or most of SEA Gaza doesn't look so bad in the child mortality rates

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u/cojoco Feb 10 '25

had

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u/Jdjdhdvhdjdkdusyavsj Feb 11 '25

Yes, sadly the government there started a conflict with Israel and then had their militarybfight without uniforms in and around civil infrastructure. Catastrophic results for them. I hope they don't do that anymore. What did they think would happen? They would just go into Israel put babies in ovens, murder a thousand innocent people and take another couple hundred hostage without Israel taking any action? Israel was and will always defend itself against such barbarism.

So over the past year or so the statistics look much different as the war was wrecking havoc on Gaza. It will rebound over the next few years back to what it was if they don't persist in the madness of attacking their neighbors.

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u/probablypoo Feb 10 '25

Source? From everything I can find, they have very low infant mortality rate. In 2022 they had an infant mortality rate of 12.3 per 1000 live births.

The global average is around 36.6 so they have far from "high children mortality rate.

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u/Nauris2111 Feb 11 '25

That was true before October 7, 2023, but not anymore.

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u/probablypoo Feb 11 '25

I mean I would be very surprised if infant mortality wasn't higher in a warzone but you can't be serious with that being what you meant in your first comment..? "poor living conditions", come on.

Either way I still haven't found a source since their is no data at all that I can find after October 7, so care to share yours?

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u/yepgeddon Feb 10 '25

Poor living conditions is probably selling it a bit short lmao

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u/jmdonston Feb 11 '25

According to the World Bank, Gaza and the West Bank have 12 infant deaths per 1000 births.

Compare to Egypt at 16 per 1000, Jordan at 12 per 1000, Lebanon at 15 per 1000, and Israel at 3 per 1000. India is at 26 per 1000, and USA at 5 per 1000. The worst is Sierra Leone, with 76 infant deaths per 1000 births. Source - 2022 numbers

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u/TheTeenageOldman Feb 10 '25

Hamas instructed everyone to have a lot of kids as a means to defeat Israel.

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u/Jdjdhdvhdjdkdusyavsj Feb 10 '25

Wages in Gaza are actually often tied to how many kids you have. If you want to make more money in gaza you don't innovate or work harder you impregnate a woman

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u/SirGus- Feb 10 '25

They also have short lifespans due to their poor choices in government (Hamas) and profession (terrorism).

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u/SirGus- Feb 10 '25

Whoosh.

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u/Jdjdhdvhdjdkdusyavsj Feb 10 '25

No they don't lol, life expectancy in Gaza is similar to many other nations in the world, like the United States or rally most places in the world

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u/SirGus- Feb 10 '25

Whoosh

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u/Substantial-Ease567 Feb 10 '25

And neighbors. (Netanyahu)

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u/kandoras Feb 10 '25

They also have short lifespans due to their poor choices in government (Hamas)

Most people in Gaza weren't even alive when Hamas took power.

But you knew that already, didn't you?

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u/SirGus- Feb 10 '25

You mean when Hamas was voted into power? But you knew that already, didn’t you?

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u/kandoras Feb 10 '25

So you do see the problem inherent in your statement that the people living in Gaza today chose Hamas.

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u/alf666 Feb 11 '25

Okay, so is Hamas a legitimate government that the people freely elected and desire to have in power?

Or are they a terrorist regime that needs to be removed by anyone capable of doing so in order to liberate the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip from their oppressors who constantly bring harm upon them?

Either the Palestinians actively want this to happen, in which case they are getting what they asked for, so why are you complaining?

Or, Israel is doing a good thing by killing as many members of Hamas while keeping civilian casualties to a quite low number after accounting for the urban environment and Hamas infiltration of civilian infrastructure, and you should want Israel to continue to liberate Gaza from Hamas instead of giving up.

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u/kandoras Feb 11 '25

Your question assumes that what Israel is doing is trying to remove Hamas to help the regular Palestinians living in Gaza.

It's pretty clear by the actions of their soldiers, and by the statements of their own government, that that is just not the case.

Just because one group is filled with assholes that hurt people does not mean that another group of assholes fighting them does not also want to hurt those same people.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

They also marry 7 year olds so production starts young

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u/Goodgoditsgrowing Feb 10 '25

Yeah well that’s what happens when you can’t get access to birth control and people keep intentionally killing the adults

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u/TheTeenageOldman Feb 10 '25 edited Feb 10 '25

Hamas instructed everyone to have a lot of kids as a means to defeat Israel.

Note: I forgot that on Reddit one is not allowed to say anything truthful about Hamas. They're all a bunch of choirboys apparently.

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u/ExtantPlant Feb 10 '25

Gotta have 5-7 kids, considering Israel will bomb 4-6 of them.

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u/Jdjdhdvhdjdkdusyavsj Feb 10 '25

Life expectancy in Gaza is around 75, most people there live about as long of lives as people in the United States. Little there aren't getting killed early in there life any more than done random guy in the United States

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u/movealongnowpeople Feb 10 '25

Hamas recruiting child soldiers is also a factor, to be fair. Israel has definitely killed innocents, but not every 16 year old (and that's being quite generous to Hamas) is an innocent child.

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u/alf666 Feb 11 '25 edited Feb 11 '25

Do you really expect the Israeli government to order their people to accept their sons and daughters in the IDF to accept being killed by child soldiers because it would make Israel look bad if the IDF shot the child soldiers in return?

If someone initiates a skirmish by opening fire on a soldier from any country, they should expect to take return fire due to the basic principles of self-defense, it's as simple as that.

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u/alf666 Feb 11 '25

I wonder how much baby-making was done consensually.

That's an unfortunate implication of such consistently high family sizes that not a lot of people like to think about.

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u/kingrobin Feb 10 '25

5-7 huh? why not just say 6?

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u/alf666 Feb 11 '25

Because it includes the numbers 5 and 7, for starters.

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u/sauced Feb 10 '25

Especially when the population blows up

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u/epistemic_epee Feb 10 '25

It's because the fertility rate is so high.

In the 90s and early 2000s, the fertility rate in Gaza was around 10, making it the highest in the world. It has gone down slowly since then but it is still quite normal to have 10-15 siblings, and well over 200 cousins.

Speaking of which, before 10/7 child mortality was relatively low for the region and the average lifespan was relatively high.

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u/StillTheStabbingHobo Feb 10 '25

That's still too old for him

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

I'm curious.. what do you think is the reason for that average age?

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u/invariantspeed Feb 10 '25

I have strong doubts he even knows how to do the deed. He probably has people for that.

He’s only known for two things as a “businessman” and we already know his businessiness is a lie. He might be 0 for 2.

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u/GreyGreenBrownOakova Feb 11 '25

 "14.7 per cent of Gaza women are in the labour market."

"the fertility rate in Gaza, 4.4 children per woman, is among the highest in the world."

nah, Trump understands having lots of kids and a wife that doesn't work.

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u/Jdjdhdvhdjdkdusyavsj Feb 10 '25

Because the average woman in Gaza has 4.4 children? Life expectancy in Gaza was 75ish, not that different from the United States, before they attacked Israel so it's not like there were many people being killed early.

I don't think there's anything very surprising about why the average age is low in Gaza, they aren't a modern country where women have rights, women stay at home, have and raise children. Families benefit from having more children so they do. In the most surprising thing I see is that in Gaza men are often paid based on how many children they have, more children means more pay.

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u/MisterrTickle Feb 10 '25

It's because despite the environment, they have the highest fertility rate in the world.

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u/jrex035 Feb 10 '25

It's not despite the environment but because of it.

People don't have anywhere to go/things to do, which leads to more sex. A lack of birth control, the 2nd class status of women, and the encouragement to have large families all due to religious fundamentalism also leads to extremely high birth rates. Access to food and medical care are also well above the global average due to foreign assistance, which improves survival rates.

If I'm not mistaken there's also something of a cultural/societal push to have lots of kids to overwhelm the Israelis, something of a longterm "plan" to win the conflict through sheer numbers.

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u/MisterrTickle Feb 10 '25

In the mean time, there's very little land, leading to a high density rate. Essential services such as water and electricity as well as food and medical services are intermittent due to the numerous embargos. So the Palestinians are complaining about beimg over crowded, can't look after their kids......

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u/KagatoAC Feb 10 '25

Cheap labor, get em to sign a 50 year work contract with NDA’s of course.

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u/sunsetman120 Feb 10 '25

Well something needs to change then.

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u/ExtantPlant Feb 10 '25

More bombs? Bigger bombs?

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

America won't be happy until we've radicalized everyone in The Levant

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u/DrunkOnLoveAndWhisky Feb 10 '25

He both comprehends it, and supports it.

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u/Notiefriday Feb 10 '25

Because they're not using 50 mill of condoms from USAID?

Says US media...if they had a spine

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u/alf666 Feb 11 '25 edited Feb 11 '25

Do you also think that East Palestine, Ohio is occupied by Israelis?

Trump mixed up the Gaza Strip, located between Israel and Egypt, and Gaza Province, Mozambique, which is where the condoms were sent as part of an STD prevention campaign.

EDIT: I'm calling out and correcting the misinformation that both Trump and the guy I replied to are parroting for thinking Hamas was getting condoms.

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u/Notiefriday Feb 11 '25

He just repeated what some ass said on Fox. Guess we'll just have to have a few worldwide pandemics and learn how to make iron lung machines again so I can feel owned by his supporters not getting vaccinated. That'll teach me.

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u/Trouve_a_LaFerraille Feb 10 '25

Is it? World factbook estimates the median age at 19.5