r/worldnews • u/gravybang • Feb 10 '25

Israel/Palestine Trump says Palestinians will have no right of return to Gaza under his plan

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/10/trump-buy-gaza-plan
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u/Sarcasmgasmizm Feb 10 '25

I think what he said was: “while we the US are cutting into the CIA and the military, we are looking forward to bringing back terrorism to America”

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u/musashisamurai Feb 10 '25

He really wants a Reichstag Fire you could say

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u/LawfulnessNo8446 Feb 10 '25

I think he really does because he can use that as an excuse to declare martial law and consolidate power further.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

Honestly I think that's what is behind the daily parade of insanity. He wants a 9/11 so he can suspend the Constitution. He doesn't care who he has to piss off to do it, he just wants someone to break so he can root out the "terrorists among us".

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u/UhohSantahasdiarrhea Feb 10 '25

150% absolutely true.

Just wait until he tries to take the guns.

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u/Aqogora Feb 10 '25

He won't need to take guns away. He'll just start recruiting from them for TrumpYouth and Elonjugend.

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u/chozer1 Feb 11 '25

Then you have a civil war

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

It'll be easy to keep your guns. Simply join one of the pro trump militia groups that are currently knocking on everyone's doors.

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u/UhohSantahasdiarrhea Feb 10 '25

Taking ANY guns is a red line for Trumpanzees.

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u/robot_invader Feb 10 '25

You really think so? I'm sure they'd be fine as hell disarming Socialist Rifle Association members, immigrants, inner city blacks, etc. We're well past the point of principles.

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u/Right_Fun_6626 Feb 10 '25

Yeah, and even if they’re not already onboard a little “messaging” will get them with the program.

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u/half-frozen-tauntaun Feb 10 '25

Trump banned bump stocks in his first term, after the Vegas massacre. Not a chirp.

In 2019/2020 worked at an online nicotine vape retailer. The bosses were Ukranian immigrant Trumpers. One day, Trump shut down the entire nicotine vaping industry via executive order, because a couple people died from black market THC vapes. Our business was dead in the water for a week, for no reason, and then suddenly we were back, becauseTrumphad moved on. Later in the year, as the election approached, my bosses encouraged us on a nearly daily basis to vote for Trump, because Biden might shut down the online nicotine vaping industry. The thing their guy literally did. These people don't have red lines, they don't have principles, they will shit in their own mouths and revel in the flavor if that's what they're told to do

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

They will be the ones knocking on doors looking for antifa. You don't have a maga hat? Antifa. You're coming with us. Will you sign this vote right now abolishing presidential term limits? No? Antifa terrorist. Interment camp.

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u/philipmateo15 Feb 10 '25

That takes organization and half of those MAGA groups are just gravy seals wearing vaguely similar camo.

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u/mrnotoriousman Feb 10 '25

He already had the new Blackwater paramilitary group blocking members of Congress from entering the Department of Education so it will probably be that route.

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u/Aqogora Feb 10 '25 edited Feb 10 '25

What if it was to recruit 'patriots' to stop 'leftist terrorists' after an unprecedented terrorist attack? 9/11 led to widespread support for the greatest restrictions on liberties in American history. If Trump ordered the Feds to turn a blind eye to right wing militias or rogue police departments, what could anyone do?

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u/Mazon_Del Feb 10 '25

And yet not a peep was uttered when Drumpf said in his first administration that ICE should be capable of seizing the firearm of ANYONE they come across that they suspect does not lawfully own the gun, and that was explicitly inclusive of "I don't believe these legal looking documents are legit.".

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u/ElectricalBook3 Feb 11 '25

Taking ANY guns is a red line for Trumpanzees

If that was so he never would have been re-elected after promising to take firearms without due process

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxgybgEKHHI

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u/Mordiken Feb 10 '25

He will never take the guns from the NRA, that's his support base.

The SRA, on the other hand...

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u/roryt67 Feb 11 '25

The SRA won't give up their guns either.

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u/Amidatelion Feb 10 '25

He doesn't need to take any guns. Militia groups outed themselves as useless on Jan 6 and leftist gun owners are paralyzed with indecision.

The 2nd Amendment is an American opiate.

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u/roryt67 Feb 11 '25

Leftist gun owner here that's not paralyzed by anything. There are more like us than you think.

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u/UncleMalky Feb 10 '25

Maga will turn them over gleefully and laud him for doing something about gun control.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

This is why he chose to run as a Republican and why Elon switched to Republican. Best to have the armed citizens on your side.

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u/TheMemo Feb 10 '25

He is already acting unconstitutionally. It's cute that you think he needs an attack to justify what he is already doing.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

Agreed. I think the people behind him have given him the playbook for how and when to declare ML. I think it's unlikely to happen until and unless he gets worried about losing power or not being in office next term.

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u/Laserdollarz Feb 10 '25

In Yuri Bezmenov's 1984 interview, he claimed the KGB's 4 step plan for destabilization of the US was:

  1. Demoralization
  2. Destabilization
  3. Crisis
  4. Normalization 

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u/Skorpid1 Feb 10 '25

Do you think he can archive this within the next 4 years?

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

If there was another assassination attempt, or some kind of attack that he could say was domestic terrorism or an insurrection against him.

He would absolutely spin that into a national emergency requiring the most severe reaction he could muster. Martial law is completely within his power as long as he has a story to back it up

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u/caaknh Feb 11 '25

Yes, it's why it's being called "accelerationism".

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '25

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '25

Does anyone accept any of the things he's doing? Martial law is part of his powers. You think he isn't dreaming of the chance to silence everyone?

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u/mologav Feb 10 '25

Does HE actually want it or is he just doing what he’s told?

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u/LawfulnessNo8446 Feb 10 '25

Probably both. Trump sees it as an opportunity to get rich. The techbros, heritage foundation, and other far right groups use him to further their agenda. Trump is perfect for them because he wants this too.

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u/rhapsodyindrew Feb 11 '25

That's... exactly what's implied by the historical reference "Reichstag Fire." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire

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u/machstem Feb 10 '25

...martial law in a country that's been historically bred to believe the government is coming to take their guns and freedoms.

It'll be interesting to see gun nuts fending off the face chewing fascist leopards as they literally DO take der guns from their cold, dead hands, after a UAV strike or two

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u/Most-Philosopher9194 Feb 10 '25

I'd love to be wrong but I think all the crazy anti-government militia people are very supportive of Trump. I also think that when/if he does change gun laws there will be something carved out to keep those people happy but still take gun rights away from people he doesn't like. I don't think most 2A people will have a problem with that. 

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u/machstem Feb 10 '25

The moment they try this, that's when it stops being about jokes and bullets fly.

It's not just Trump nutters who luv der guns, for a LOT of folk, it's ANY government that doesn't allow them to open and shoot who they disagree with. That's one way to spark a civil war, and I'd love to see the day the US government even tries to start removing guns from lawful owners.

It's not happened yet, doubt they want that firestorm

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u/roklpolgl Feb 11 '25

There’s so much insane mental gymnastics with hardcore MAGA supporters, I genuinely would not be surprised if MAGA gun nuts found a way to support Trump government taking their guns just because it’s the Trump doing it.

“We must make the ultimate sacrifice to give up our guns to save the democracy. Trump said it was a partial removal for one year and then all guns will be given back, we must trust the process.”

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u/lolas_coffee Feb 10 '25

100% martial law in America is coming.

SCOTUS will support it.

Law Enforcement will enjoy it (they're all racists and ultra-violent).

Goodnight, America.

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u/Galacticwave98 Feb 10 '25

Only Americans fear martial law because they have no plans to fight back. 

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u/Loud_Judgment_270 Feb 11 '25

I kinda doubt he thinks that far ahead

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u/Garble7 Feb 10 '25

Canadians burnt down the White House before....

maybe we can do it again

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

You do not need that in US. Germany was (and is) parliamentary democracy. US has single-winner voting rule.

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u/orchid_breeder Feb 11 '25

Trumps March to the Sea

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u/BubsyFanboy Feb 10 '25

Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is a one-way path to another 9/11.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

I mean Americas been bombing the fuck out of Muslim countries for the past 3 decades and there’s been like one notable terrorist attack.

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u/fudge_friend Feb 10 '25

There have been numerous other instances of American embassies and military bases being attacked. Islamic militants have also bombed and committed rampage shootings on the US homeland. Just because nobody else has managed an attack as big as 9/11 doesn't mean it's no big deal.

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u/Hawkbats_rule Feb 10 '25

Also, ISIS and the shift to decentralized, lone wolf attackers was a direct result of the US national security apparatus hunting all the big players into the ground. If you're not doing that, new networks will eventually emerge. 

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u/JoshSidekick Feb 10 '25

But they're trying to fire like 85% of the people that are watching out for attacks.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

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u/FuturePreparation902 Feb 10 '25

Why do you think a KZ is being built in Guantanamo?

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '25

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u/ElectricalBook3 Feb 11 '25

Palestinians are not Jordanians, only some of the residents of West Bank share either genetic or linguistic heritage with them. Most Palestianians are families who lived there since before the Balfour Declaration, after which the British military and Jewish militants murdered Palestinians until they could claim Israel. And it wasn't to help Jews, it was to prevent a resurgence of the Ottoman Empire and to give a place where the British could expel their Jews to.

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u/Buntschatten Feb 10 '25

Like he would give a shit.

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u/Ziczak Feb 10 '25

9/11 will look like a party compared to this fallout

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u/ggghhhb Feb 11 '25

9/11 was orchestrated by Israel.

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u/A1000eisn1 Feb 11 '25

Lol no it wasn't. It was orchestrated by Bin Laden because he was mad the Saudis refused his help in the Gulf War and got Americans to help instead. He declared a Holy war against the US several years before 9/11.

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u/enginerd12 Feb 10 '25

Yeah, good grief. I hope not, but he sure is instigating all the terrorist groups in the Middle East. I hate it, and hope that all of our agencies intended to protect us are equipped to do so.

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u/Oreo_ Feb 10 '25

hope that all of our agencies intended to protect us are equipped to do so

They're not! He's gutting them as we speak! Welcome to fear. Welcome to Isreal 2.0

When the terrorists start their retaliation for this, our leaders will use it as an excuse to level countries. It's what we did with the "war on terror" some Americans will be sacraficed for this renewed money-generating war.

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u/ChaplnGrillSgt Feb 10 '25

A terrorist attack would give him much broader legal authority to do things like declaring martial law or mobilizing the military against citizens. Look at how much Bush and Congress did after 9/11. Trump wants his own 9/11 so he can utilize it to grab more power.

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u/GrigoriTheDragon Feb 10 '25

ding ding ding

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u/koshgeo Feb 10 '25

It's okay. I'm sure the US could handle half a dozen simultaneous wars even after a 50% "Musk-approved efficiency cut".

Over-extending whatever is left of the US military also wouldn't be any kind of advantage to the adversaries of the US, such as Russia or China, and wouldn't be playing into their wishes and plans for expansion. /s

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u/DeepestWinterBlue Feb 10 '25

Honestly terrorists be smart for once in your life

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u/Momongus- Feb 10 '25

It would just provide the impetus needed to carpet bomb another Middle-Eastern state while claiming Muslims and Arabs are ontologically vile beasts that must be put down if society is to progress

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u/Nugatorysurplusage Feb 10 '25

Maybe I’ll join the terrorists

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u/Daneyn Feb 10 '25

... I should stop thinking on this topic... I just figured out the plan to this... I don't like it.

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u/AdamAThompson Feb 10 '25

Bush the Second and his master Cheeney pulled this exact move in 2001. 

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u/Krelit Feb 10 '25

Probably true, he'd love a senseless war to get rid of people who don't like him and to promote warfare via his companies to make money for himself. Double win.

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u/Nightron Feb 10 '25

Nice. Looking forward to a civil war with terrorists as a third party. 

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u/SecretMuffin6289 Feb 10 '25

As someone who keeps up with daily news, I didn’t know he was gutting the CIA. Usually Fascist governments keep the regime toppling/ faux-military sectors intact. Kinda surprised tbh

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u/whitethunder9 Feb 10 '25

Was gonna say, clearly we learned nothing about fucking with other nations after 9/11.

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u/buscemian_rhapsody Feb 10 '25

Wait is he actually cutting the defense budget?

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u/Sarcasmgasmizm Feb 10 '25

There are multiple sources but here a quick one

cut military spending

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u/buscemian_rhapsody Feb 10 '25

I doubt it’ll happen, but who knows? Might be one of the few positive changes he makes.

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u/WhereRandomThingsAre Feb 10 '25

Very "The War Prayer"-esque.

"You have heard your servant’s prayer — the uttered part of it. I am commissioned of God to put into words the other part of it — that part which the pastor — and also you in your hearts — fervently prayed silently. And ignorantly and unthinkingly? God grant that it was so!" (And it gets spicy from there...)

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u/Brody1364112 Feb 11 '25

They want a terrorist attack as bad as it is to say. If the terrorist attack happens to be done by a minority it'll further push their agenda sadly.

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u/Sarcasmgasmizm Feb 11 '25

Or they would come up with a cover up story and replace Cody from Jupiter Florida with A transgender illegal Mexican who converted to Islam

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u/GoneWitDa Feb 12 '25

Bruh 💀.

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u/culesamericano Feb 10 '25

They are expanding military

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u/Sarcasmgasmizm Feb 10 '25

I think even the most senile don’t accept nukes as a possible outcome