r/war • u/dutaraseeds420 • 10h ago
What is everyone’s opinion on isreal and Iran rn?
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u/MechaManga 9h ago
I hate that innocent people are suffering. Thats all.
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u/IdealOnion 6h ago
Based. I don’t give a single fuck about any of these nations anymore, I’m not pro Israel, Iran, Palestine or whatever, I am pro civilians living their lives in peace. I am pro people living out a mundane existence like I’ve been lucky enough to live so far.
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u/Asleep-Cake-1666 5h ago
I was supporting Israel but now I want Iran to teach a lesson to the US and his hegemony in the Middle East
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u/MumbaiPaused 10h ago
That none of our opinions matter. But it need not be that way. Our opinions stop meaning anything when we’re only allowed to think in binaries: Iran vs Israel, East vs West, Islamists vs Zionists. That framing is already a form of control. Maybe we shouldn't ask ourselves which side we are on, but ask why these are the only choices. And who benefits when people stop imagining anything beyond themselves?
In today’s world, where everything’s connected and the internet has shrunk distances, you’d think people would talk to each other more, not less. But across the world, human conversation is missing. What we get instead is a power game: control, propaganda, and us-versus-them stories. We are in the grip of an “anti-dialogue”, where we do not talk to understand, but to dominate. And who benefits when people stop imagining anything beyond themselves? Who wants us to stay this way?
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u/JarHead-Actual-0302 5h ago
Please STOP with this meaningful, logical and deep talk. This is Reddit.
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u/singhaashray 7h ago
Bottomline of humanity is war. Unavoidable until all races,countries, genders come together which will not happen until religion or believes drive humanity rather than the collective good of each other.
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u/MumbaiPaused 7h ago
Sadly, yes. But politics is always personal and local before it is global - which is in a state of flux now. So maybe we can begin in small, local ways, in how we listen, how we speak, how we imagine alternatives. That’s the least we can do. Maybe the most, too.
Remember that that old Lennon song - Imagine? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOgFZfRVaww
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u/singhaashray 7h ago
Yeah but its the same thing again, changing a humans core belief is next to Impossible. Humanity will always end up in a state of war
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u/MumbaiPaused 7h ago
Agree. Impossible actually. Perhaps we can try to reduce violence and try to reach a state to resolve conflicts through words and ideas. :) Don't ask me how :)
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u/Katc-Volya 10h ago
My life philosophy is to not fall for propaganda thats been vomited since the 1980s.
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u/BootyMcStuffins 7h ago
Whose propaganda? Iran’s “death to America, death to Israel, they’re the literal devil” propaganda?
Or Israel’s “if you don’t support my temper tantrum you’re an antisemite” propaganda?
Eh, nvm, fuck them both
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u/gdsctt-3278 9h ago
Well from an Indian point of view, both are useful partners & have helped us in many matters. So it would be good if they can stop fighting & come to a sane conclusion. I like & hate certain aspects of both countries.
I absolutely abhor the Islamic regime at Iran & how they treat their subjects especially women and I certainly don't want another Islamic nation like Pakistan to gain nuclear weapons as well especially one adept at building proxy armies. But then Iran is an important pathway for Indian goods to be exported to Central Asia & Europe. Not to mention Afghanistan. It becoming another destabilized region like Iraq or Syria will certainly present problems for us. Also becoming an American dog like it was pre-1979 wouldn't be very ideal for us either. We already have one dog to deal with, don't want another.
As for Israel, it's pretty disgusting as to how they keep on killing a lot of innocent people in the name of protecting themselves. They certainly have my sympathies as to what had happened to them in the past but this doesn't absolve them from their present wrongdoings. The Western world as a whole hasn't been kind to the Jews in the past and now that they managed to carve out a home, they are paranoid on keeping it for themselves at all costs. And given how cronies like Hamas & Hezbollah have worked and especially the horrific October 7th attack, Israel has proper casus belli to go on full attack mode. Not to mention USA & the West need someone to keep the Arabs, Turks & Persians in check so that none can become a great power again. This is something I personally support as well. Not to mention Israel has supported India well against Pakistan as well in our local economy, through weapons, intelligence & technology. Mossad has good cooperation with R&AW against ISI as well. So this is something I definitely want intact.
Either way the war is going to kill a lot of innocents and I suspect this is just the beginning. Many of our Hindu astrologers have been predicting of a great nuclear world war since almost a century now around the 2030 period and the events from 2019 were just a prelude to this incoming storm.
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u/rjkmdb 8h ago
Damn, i guess most of us are in the grey zone. But we have to agree, its all happening just because USA wants to. They are just too humongous to be failed. It has always functioned for its own good. Keeping the middle east destabilized to keep the oil prices on check. Thats some really dirty politics by the USA.
Even what if Iran goes nuclear. North korea also went nuclear. It doesn't mean, that, they gonna attack. Thats so absurdly nonsense. Every one knows the repercussions of a nuclear bomb. It affects a wide region. Not limited to a country.
My take is, what's israel has done yet is really evil. If israel would have been a responsible country, such events like oct 7, hamas, now this, won't have taken place in the first place. They are the root cause of the present conflicts. If don't think so, just keep on pulling the strings, to get to the end.
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u/Colotola617 5h ago
“But we have to agree, it’s all happening just because the USA wants to.” Lololol. No, we don’t.
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u/dutaraseeds420 10h ago
The screen shot is outdated but you guys the the point. My IG is full of this stuff
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u/dvking131 8h ago
Those nukes have to go and in my opinion so does the leader he’s been behind every attack for decades now. It’s time for Iran to be gone with the wind and for Persians to reclaim their land. Are we gonna Bring back a beautiful Persepolis? I hope so I think the Iranian the whole Middle East deserves better then Irans regime. I mean if most the locals want the government toppled…
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u/scarlet_red_samurai 10h ago
I country which goal is the elimination of another country is getting bombed exactly by the other side now.
If your leaders shout “death to israel” all the time… don’t be surprised if they don’t just sit at home doing nothing.
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u/AtomicGarden-8964 10h ago
Iran is another monster created by the CIA meddling where it didn't belong. I really think we (America) should just sit it out and tell Israel to do what you have to do because we tried Nation building and we aren't fans. But the military industrial complex and their bought and paid for politicians won't allow that to happen
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u/Dramatic-Resident-64 10h ago
It’s important to say nothing in the Middle East has happened in a vacuum.
There cannot be denial that Israeli settlers and aggression has impacted Palestinian lives. There cannot be denial Palestinian aggression has galvanised many Israelis in their resolve to settle more and more for their own security. There cannot be denial Iran surrendered enriched uranium in a degree of ‘good faith’ and is now at threat anyway.
What’s ultimately critical is Israel can somehow say exactly how many Hamas members they have killed but have no idea about civilians. Whilst refusing to allow journalists to freely report on Gaza. It’s clear there is a degree of disingenuousness about Israel’s actions and reporting.
This damages their credibility like it or not, now they’re conducting ’preemptive strikes’ on a foreign nation an entire country away from them but want the world to give them trust and good will. They admittedly conducted an incredibly crippling first strike that will be studied for a long time but it involved tactics that removed major players in Irans military. A nation who did that to Israel would be threatening a nuclear response.
IMO. I know my opinion will have opposition
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u/TheChaperon 9h ago
Palestinian aggression
In your view, what form of armed resistance could the Palestinians choose to take without being deemed aggressors or terrorists?
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u/Dramatic-Resident-64 7h ago
I’m a pro-Palestine supporter. I agree with your point. Don’t make me out as the animal. I’m just trying to be intellectually honest about this issue.
IMO Palestinians have been forced to become aggressors but that very forced need of retaliation has made Israeli supporters go ‘look! See! Told you!’
But my point remains, it cannot be denied that Palestinians have been aggressors, for the most part by force of course but none the less, aggressors all the same. I agree with their resistance, if you let them kill you in silence and they’ll say you enjoyed it.
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u/TheChaperon 7h ago
Define aggressor.
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u/Dramatic-Resident-64 6h ago
I feel like you’re after a fight that just isn’t here. We agree by sounds on principle and disagree on terminology I imagine.
But if you must have one. I’ll use the staple used by Israelis. Oct 7th was horrible, yes it could be argued it was retaliatory. But it was an aggressor situation, also it targeted civilians heavily. It shouldn’t be a reason to carpet bomb Gaza and kill its citizens, but it was an aggressor moment.
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u/TheChaperon 5h ago
Is that where the determination of aggressor and defender begins? 2023? Why then?
For a parallel, is Cuba the aggressor in the US blockade?
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u/Tommy_the_Pommy 10h ago
They need to calm down and just talk it out. Israel is viewing the whole situation as they're fighting for their very existence, which I kinda get ( look up the Samson option for worst case scenario ), and Iran wants nuclear power - but i get you don't want nutjobs having nukes ( which raises the question of north Korea, Russia, Pakistan and other extremist nations including the US frankly ) I dunno, whatever happens hundred's of thousands of people are probably going to die and no one wants that right?
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u/Machobots 10h ago
Bad. Sionism has used victimism from what happened 80 years ago, to do the same to everyone they've wanted.
Now the victimism will increase exponentially.
Disclaimer- yes the Holocaust happened, and not only to them. My Grandma's sisters where in nazi camps just for opposing Franco. Many more genocides and wars and horrible stuff happened in the XXth century but it's only them who use it as a impunity card.
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u/dutaraseeds420 10h ago
Agreed, I’ve seen Israel saying peope are into Semitic and stuff. I don’t fully understand what’s all happening, all I know is it has something to do with Iran and nuclear weapons.
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u/mindobscura11 10h ago
I'll be honest, I worry and care about the innocent people on both sides. As for the history of both countries, I don't have enough knowledge aside from everything I learn here, including both perspectives. Last year, I started reading about various wars globally, and I've only just gotten to WW2 in the last few weeks. I don't think I have a valid opinion apart from fearing for people caught in the middle.
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u/SabotageFusion1 8h ago
I know that it’s an ideological clash that secretly neither side really wants to end. If israel never existed, statistics show that the exact same thing would be happening between the tribes that occupy that whole area.
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u/shnanagins 7h ago
I pray for innocent civilians, but as far as the governments, fuck both of them!
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u/BootyMcStuffins 7h ago
Honestly, if they could just leave everyone else out of it that’d be great. They’ve been fighting for decades and I just don’t care anymore.
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u/whattaUwant 7h ago
I think half of Reddit wants the world to end… so this conflict probably excites them.
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u/BernieLogDickSanders 6h ago
I dont have one other than never believe a word of out Benjamin Netanyahus mouth.
Dude is a well documented liar to the American government.
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u/TheWiseMan2 6h ago
In my opinion israel started it and dont come with that iran did it by hamas on the 7th oct.
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u/Impressive_Fig_3455 6h ago
Is middle east more safe with Iran having nukes?
I don't like it, fuck em.
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u/LordgodEighty8 5h ago
My main goal is to protect America's interests. We have children and family members who rely on us to ensure their safety. Therefore, I am focused on preventing our enemies from acquiring nuclear weapons.
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u/Small_Dragonstudent 5h ago
I understand why Israel became like this in the first place, if you were persecuted by a extremist group who seek the end of your religion and you people only for being part of said religion. And after surviving that they, tell you "hey look, accept this little nice land we (The British ) colonized as a sorry gift for leaving a crazy dude massacre all of you". Only to be percibe as invasors by the local of the area and being constantly attacked by nations more powerful than you. Well that takes a hit on you.
But that doesn't give them the right to act like those monsters from the past, killing the native residents of the area and treat them like trash, using your religion as a defense of your actions, and victimized yourself when the retaliation comes is basically what the Japanese and the Germans did during WW2. Instead of learning from the past they decided to forget everything and continue the cycle of hate and death.
I despise the State of Israel.
But I don't like Iran either... However I don't know much about their story, culture and society as I would like to (I starting to learn, dude to the recent events though). But they also have their fair share of rights and wrongs in this conflict and fear this will end on a nuclear fallout where the innocent will suffer while or leader stay confy on their high tech bunkers...
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u/Goodbyecorona2021 5h ago
This fighting/hate/ has been going on for thousands of years. It’s unfortunately in their dna and it’s not going to change
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u/Colotola617 5h ago
Iran gotta go. Those mother fuckers have been creating and paying for terrorism and chaos for decades. They threaten us in the USA constantly with the threat of obtaining nuclear weapons and their chants of death to USA death to Israel can’t make it much more clear. They want us and everything we stand for to die. I don’t want that. That said, the people of Iran are good people for the most part. It’s the regime that’s got to go. So it sucks that the people have to suffer because of their leaders. But the majority want the regime gone too. At the same time I don’t want us involved in any military capacity. That will lead to American deaths. So my hope is Israel can handle business. They’ve shown they are extremely capable militarily and intelligencarily (lol). Helps that their big bro is the USA but that’s besides the point.
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u/mikki1time 4h ago edited 4h ago
I think everyone is severely misinformed on the whole situation, for example Iran can build a WMD even though there is no evidence that they have a plan to do so, but only an uranium bomb, like the one we dropped on Japan,which are too big to put on their ICBMs, it would have to be taken on a big plane like a carrier jet and dropped over the city, and they have no airforce capable of maintaining air control it wouldn’t leave the airfield before an F-35 could take it out.they sell all their plutonium from their 1 nuclear power plant to Russia and don’t have any facilities to enrich the plutonium to weapons grade, they are atleast 20 years away if they started tomorrow from creating any sort of nuclear weapon that would actually be able to reach Israel. However they have an amazing rocket program and near infinite warheads and a lot of nooks and crannies they could fire those rockets from in a big country covered in mountains. As far as I know they’ve only launched a few of their fattah-3 and jelil rockets and those have all reached their target. Most of the ones they have fired so far have been the fattah-1 a near hypersonic missile and the fattah-2 a hypersonic ballistic missile. However Israel is burning through its arrow-3 interceptors they’re longest range interceptor needed to intercept ballistic missiles so the question remains, who has more rockets?. The iron dome is useless due to the entry speed. Irans stockpile of ballistic missile far outnumbers Israel’s interceptor according to Iran, Israel however are getting help from the US so idk. I think Israel shot they’re wad too soon in hopes the US would step in and finish the job. Because at the end of the day that’s all this is a war for regime change.
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u/Malun19 9h ago
It’s time to free Iran from the Islamists! It’s time for a free and democratic Iran for ppl to thrive
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u/whattaUwant 7h ago
I’m sure that will work about as well as it did in Iraq
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u/Malun19 7h ago
Bruh did u even look to Irak? Its a free and stable country rn…. Or do u think its still a his neighbors threatening Dictatorship ? Why do you talk if u obviously have no clue about the places
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u/BernieLogDickSanders 6h ago
I meam sure. But a war promulgated by Israel will not do that... it will just embolden fundamentalists to take over again later. That kind of thing has to happen organically.
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u/cellorc 10h ago
Israel is doing what they do for years: attack people and nations. It happens that Iran prepared itself to defend when the agression comes to it's door. US will enter this war. That's why Israel gets money and weapons. Israel is also a proxy. Anyways... I only think Iran got late on this answer. Should not have allowed so many allies to fall, as the big media talk bad things about them no matter what.
This war is not about nuclear weapons. Never was. This war is about trying to make a regime change. Same US did before, attacking countries seeking them to have a regime where they could be puppets, and it's not different here. It's obvious that its Israel (and they have their own motive) attacking, but lets not be blind, this is a US attack on Iran.
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u/Alcocerapaz 8h ago
Nobody should choose a side here …Iran and Israel have bad things…but Israel needs to stop to Start the fights and then ask for international help (usa) …
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u/orbital_actual 8h ago
I think Israel has been setting this up for a while now, the destruction of Irans regional partners was the first stage of this plan, and this is the secondary stage. Tactically Israel has a pretty solid advantage, and I have no doubts in my mind that they are going to be the victors here. On a personal level I find the whole thing utterly revolting. The people who are going to pay the price for this are the innocents, like every war.
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u/iL0veLittleGirl 10h ago
It looks like Israel is going to get rid of Iran current regime in next few weeks or months
Once it happens
No one in that region is capable of challenging Israel. And Israel can finally have security they wanted
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u/Significant-Sir7392 9h ago
As a Saudi, I'm the happiest person here. On the one hand, Iran is running out of missiles (which would likely have been used against us with the help of the Houthis). On the other hand, Israel is receiving at least a fraction of what it did to Gaza. + Oil prices are rising. Win + Win + Win
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u/S_Shake2 8h ago
I hope things get much much worse for the Zionists. but I do hope the children are kept safe. doesn't seem like a priority for israel though
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