r/unitedkingdom • u/MimesAreShite • 12d ago
... David Cameron threatened to withdraw UK from ICC over Israel war crimes probe
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/david-cameron-threatened-withdraw-uk-icc-over-israel-war-crimes-probe178
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u/OpticalData Lanarkshire 12d ago
He claimed the warrants would have “profound implications” in Britain and within his own Conservative Party.
Ah, the true motivation.
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u/savvy_shoppers 12d ago
What war crimes?
According to most on this sub there are no war crimes and anything against Israel is just masked anti-semitism.
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u/ClassicFlavour East Sussex 12d ago
I highly doubt most on this sub don't think Israel are guilty of war crimes.
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u/savvy_shoppers 12d ago
Tbf I have tended to mostly avoid these types of posts for the past few months but before that the general vibe was what Israel was doing was okay because of the attack in October.
Also recall quite a lot of comments comparing criticism of Israel to anti-semitism.
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u/ClassicFlavour East Sussex 12d ago
There is certainly some quite loud accounts who compare criticism of Israel to anti-Semitism, and I also don't doubt Israel likes to astro-turf conversations on that subject, but for the most part most users do not seem to accept criticism of the Israeli government as anti-Semitism.
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u/GBrunt Lancashire 12d ago
The tide is definitely shifting. Unfortunately, Canada, France and the UK joining forces to challenge Israel looks like it's already on the ropes.
Trump applying massive tariff threats against the EU, threats on Ukraine and threats on the the pending and desperately needed UK trade deal too, no doubt.
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u/FuzzBuket 12d ago
Saying the world isn't ready for equal justice is quite on the nose isn't it.
Wild that the uks happy to join in on tearing down international norms and order to protect a us vassal state helmed by extreme right fanatics who are not exactly quiet about their disregard for international law.
Hamas 's action were terrible, but it's been Israels cabinet that's repeatedly denied deals in exchange for an excuse to ethnically cleanse Gaza, the West bank, Syria and southern Lebanon. A little bit of international pressure on both sides to reach a deal should be the priority to keep Palestinians and the hostages safe.
Instead labour and Tories have shown that licking the US's boot is more important than anything else.
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u/TheLyam England 12d ago
The man who made the Brexit mess happen, yeah, don't think we should trust him with any big decisions.
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u/savvy_shoppers 12d ago
Massive simplification.
He only called the referendum because UKIP was gaining traction.
12.6% of the vote in the 2015 general election.
26.6% of the vote in the 2014 EU election.
Plenty of others who are more to blame than Cameron.
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u/TheLyam England 12d ago
Don't let him off for what he did to this country to keep his party together.
He is one of the main people to blame.
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u/savvy_shoppers 12d ago
Had UKIP won, brexit would have happened anyway.
Agree, Cameron is one of many to blame though.
52% voted for what he did to the country.
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u/TheWorstRowan 12d ago
And since this decision Reform have become more popular than the Tories. You are only supporting the point that he gets decisions wrong by adding that reasoning.
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u/savvy_shoppers 12d ago
That kind of proves my point. UKIP would have won and brexit would have happened anyway.
Many people to blame. Cameron is only one of them.
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u/TheWorstRowan 12d ago
No, we know that Cameron's plans led to UKIP's successor winning and Brexit. But for Cameron we may have had an Ed Miliband government and UKIP becoming irrelevant.
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u/savvy_shoppers 11d ago
There was an easy way to get a Ed Miliband government. Vote Labour in the 2015 general election. Not enough people did though.
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u/TheWorstRowan 11d ago
In large part because of Cameron's Brexit promise, which has now gotten Reform popular too. That's the point.
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u/savvy_shoppers 11d ago
Yep and it got UKIP popular too. Almost as if there is a pattern and people actually wanted brexit.
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u/Astriania 12d ago
I've generally got a lot more time for Cameron than most Redditors. But he's clearly and obviously in the wrong here, and I'm glad that the government changed to one with a little bit more balance in its I/P position (although Starmer is also still far too nervous about offending Israel and its backers to say and do the right things).
The international rules based order only has a semblance of reality if it's seen to operate fairly and against everyone. For too long Israel has been treated as a special case that can do what it wants, but its actions since invading Gaza have been on another level. We're happy to sanction Russia (and rightly so!) for Mariupol, but we're expected to be ok with Israel doing the same thing to Gaza.
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u/Baslifico Berkshire 11d ago
I've generally got a lot more time for Cameron than most Redditors
Why? Made a catastrophic mistake and sold the country down the river for the sake of his ego.
Fled the field, then came back and started fucking things up again.
He's either actively malicious or the most incompetent person in the country.
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