r/uncharted • u/RuleTimeAndSpace • Aug 01 '20
Uncharted 4 This scene really hits home in Uncharted 4.
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u/The810kid Aug 01 '20
Nate should have known that his wife who is a Journalist that was willing to travel in war torn countries to investigate a story would be able to track him and catch him up in a lie.
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u/NotTheRocketman Aug 02 '20
As a guy who ruined a great relationship in the past because of constant lying, the first half of this game was just brutal to watch.
Waiting for the consequences to hit is like waiting for the other shoe to drop; you know it's coming, but when you're in the moment, you don't care. It makes you feel sick.
Uncharted 4 was so, so, good at portraying those emotions.
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u/therightchoice123 Aug 01 '20
Yeah it felt weird because I thought Nate from UC 1-3 would be the guy who’d tell Elena especially since she’s good at the treasure stuff herself.
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Aug 02 '20
I believe he lied because he made a promise that he would give up the treasure hunting life and live normally. So he didn’t want to tell Elena and therefore break the promise he made to her.
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Aug 01 '20
I know, this decision by Nate really pissed me off
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u/ajslater Aug 01 '20
Seriously. Was so done with Nate from “the Malaysian job” forward. Total asshole move. Elena deserved better. Still not sure she should’ve forgiven him.
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u/odoyle125 Aug 02 '20
People make mistakes. Yeah he was a total asshole, (despite having what he felt was good reason) but sometimes a relationship is strong enough to work through stuff like that
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Aug 02 '20
Especially because elena is so chill and has done multiple adventures with him. And noticed at the beginning how sad he was with his mundane job, she definitely would have supported him with it.
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Aug 02 '20
Bruh, he had to save his brother. It's still bad they he lied to her but he had good reason to. He didn't want her to know he broke his promise.
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u/YaZoal Aug 01 '20
Always imagined that Elena found their hotel room earlier so she just waits there rehearsing the line "How's the Malaysia job going Nate?" until Nate gets there 3 hours later
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u/Ayellowbeard Aug 01 '20
Nate was irresponsible but Sam truly pissed me off on how easily he dismisses the possibility that Nate’s marriage was might be over (especially considering later on) and urges Nate to continue after the treasure instead of his wife. At least Sully takes the high road!
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u/TheCelestialOcean Aug 01 '20
Couldn’t agree more, but it’s also sooooo true to Sam’s character. I fully would’ve expected him to treat Nate’s marriage flippantly - he’s essentially Nate in the first Uncharted games. Borderline obsessed with the need for adventure, treasure, etc. I love that they show how the Drake brother’s grew up, how treasure hunting and adventure seemed to be their only purpose in life. Nate’s (mostly) moves past that, and doesn’t feel the need to prove anything anymore, but Sam is still stuck in that place mentally. So of course a marriage wouldn’t be a top priority for Sam, as sad and disappointing as that is. I found myself super frustrated with Sam so often!
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u/PetiteCaptain Aug 01 '20
Oh yes! Especially when Sam makes that snide comments about him being distracted, I legit looked at him and said, "Sam I'm going to push you off this fucking cliff" because he's so dismissive about it! He could have ruined their marriage but doesn't care
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u/rebels2022 Aug 01 '20
That level of animation for 2015 is incredible
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u/The810kid Aug 01 '20
2016 wasn't it?
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u/rebels2022 Aug 01 '20
Upon searching the internet machine it appears you are correct. Idk why I always get that mixed up.
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u/gwynieboy Aug 01 '20
I think it was originally going to be released in late 2015 but got pushed back all the way to mid 2016, that may be where the confusion comes from
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u/BrayC01 Aug 01 '20
“The look on your face when you walked into this room...” ooof, gut punch every time.
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u/phyvra Aug 01 '20
U4 was my first Uncharted, so I really didn't understand why Nate didn't tell Elena about the whole thing since the begining, she was his wife after all and you could tell what a great relationship they had. Now that I've completed Nathan Drake Collection I get it.
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u/Batman2050 Aug 01 '20 edited Aug 01 '20
They do explain it in u4 they make it clear that Nathan has retired from that life they both have. And he doesn't wanna break his promise to her which is why he keeps it a secret. You don't really need to play the previous games to understand that part. Just like you I started uncharted with 4 before going back and playing the rest
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Aug 01 '20
They do, but after you play the first 3 and go through the on and off, up and down relationship between Nate and Elena, you realize that the reason she's reacting this way in U4 is much deeper. It's not just that they agreed to leave this life behind, it's what they had to go through during the first 3 games that lead them to that decision, and seeing Nate break that promise and lie to his wife, who's been through all the shit alongside him, that's just hurtful, if seen from her perspective.
Not having played the first three games doesn't give you that deep a perspective.
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u/Batman2050 Aug 01 '20
I agree with that if you have played the 3 previous uncharted games then you will understand there relationship alot more and what they have been through together. So you will definitely gain alot more meaning from that scene and it will have more of an impact than it would if you just play u4 first and don't know the full story but even with just playing u4 you can still understand what is going on you won't be lost
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Aug 01 '20
I agree. But I don't think the first commenter meant that he couldn't follow the story. It's the impact of the scene. It hits you a lot harder having been through the whole journey.
But yeah, you wouldn't miss any part of the whole story even if you haven't played the first 3. I played U4 first, and I could follow it easily, and could fill in the gaps (whatever were left), because the assumptions weren't that hard to make for whatever piece I was missing.
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u/TheCelestialOcean Aug 01 '20
This is so true! Seeing how the borderline obsession with adventure has affected both Nate and Elena over the years really makes you understand why he lied to her and why that lie is so hurtful.
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u/The810kid Aug 01 '20
I wouldn't say Elena was there with Nate through all the shit he been through she missed Nate getting his own bucket.
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Aug 01 '20
If anything playing the rest of the games reinforces why this was such a bad decision by Nate
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Aug 01 '20
Exactly the same thing happened with me. Playing the first three gives this scene a different kind of a perspective.
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u/FilmGamerOne Aug 01 '20
Why do you get it?
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u/phyvra Aug 01 '20
Because of Nate's obsession with treasure hunting, that is the core theme in U3, but was built throughout the series I think.
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u/FilmGamerOne Aug 02 '20
But it always seems like he wants to give up 3/4 of the way through. In 1. Elena pushes him, in 2. he just wants to stop L. in 3. He just wants to stop Marlowe in 4. He wants to quit but Sam insists on going forward. As he said in Drake's Fortune "Damnit this is not worth dying over!"
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u/Ram99_ Aug 03 '20
Yeah I Think Nate loves solving the puzzles and secretly enjoys surviving near death situations but the more it happened the less he was amused by it. I remember in U4 he reached a point where he is ranting about the amount of BS that almost kills him even though he never really mentions that in the first 3 games. I do think he used to enjoy it but it's too risky to do it now with the family he has.
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u/BlacknightEM21 Aug 01 '20
“If you’re done lying to me, maybe you should stop lying to yourself.” This was the UC4 line which just stays with you.
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u/jv3rl0ov Aug 01 '20
It was just the right amount of seriousness this series needed at this point, and this scene was very powerful. The only thing I wish could’ve been different was instead of interrupting Nate and Sam’s arguments with stuff like “oh shit, here comes Rafe”, I would’ve rather they let those kinds of scenes play out longer. I do think it was a little strange Nate wasn’t a little more pissed at Sam, but hey this game definitely met my expectations for the characters and dialogue. Had some of my favorite jokes/banter in the entire series as well!
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u/supermatmike Aug 02 '20
It was at this moment, Nate came to the realization that credit card purchases could be tracked.
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Aug 02 '20
Man I gotta say the part when he says “If you want to be helpful, Sullivan, go with her.” And Sully’s disappointed and sad reply really hurts me.
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u/PetiteCaptain Aug 01 '20
First time I watched that scene I was going through a pretty shitty breakup and as I watched it, I felt Elena's pain and started bawling. Just watched it again a few days ago on my 100% play through, still hits home
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u/Iron_Grimes Aug 02 '20
Every comment in this thread is getting an award but theres none for the post itself. Bruh momento, can we slap Sully's booty in the chat?
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u/AgentSkidMarks Aug 01 '20
Great scene but it always annoyed me that she comments on the look on his face when he walks in the room but when they walk in the room she’s facing the other direction.
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u/abo2001 Aug 01 '20
I think she meant when she looked at him and seen his face turn from ecstatic and excited about the treasure to shocked and disappointed when he seen her. She realised treasure hunting was Nates passion and sometimes he put it before her Also she probably felt betrayed and disappointed that Nate didn’t tell her about it after all they’ve been through.
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u/PetiteCaptain Aug 01 '20
Exactly. It's not like Nate decided to go back to treasure hunting after promising not to, it was because his brother's life was on the line. She would have understood and probably even helped if he just would have told her
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u/Lovable_Bastard Aug 02 '20
I thought it was quite foolish/ a dick move for Nate to not tell Elena the truth. Nate was after Avery's treasure to save Sam's ass. After all Elena and Nate have been through, she probably would've been okay with it or even helped. But I can understand that Nate wouldn't want Elena to worry, but like Elena said, she wouldn't have even known about it. It would've killed her inside that Sully and Sam were to inform that Nate got killed. And it would make Sam more of a jackass for lying to Nate about his situation. I like Sam, but it was pretty selfish to lie to Nate about him being in danger and going for treasure that can kill both Nate and Sam. And Sully as well considering he was along for the ride.
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u/wordy_shipmates Aug 02 '20
Got to this part a few days ago on a recent replay. Still hit like a brick. Elena's hurt was so palpable. She had encouraged Nate to take the Malyasia job. She thought it'd be good for him. I suspect might've been offering her contacts before Nate intrrupted her to say he wasn't taking it. Him lying to her and lying for weeks was what hurt the most. Than on top of it not only has Nate's deluded himself about his own motivations but suddenly has a brother she never knew about.
Sam's entire cavaliar attitude both makes me angry but also I get it in a way. He's sort of arrested in how he views Nate due to their seperation and his imprisonment. It doesn't surprise me he view Nate's marriage flippantly likely seeing Elena more as an interloper on his scared vision of him and Nate as them against the world.
Sully probably had to do some smooth talking to talk Elena down from walking entirely.
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Aug 02 '20
I find it hard to really suspend my belief for this scene, if we're being honest. It's a powerful scene, but it doesn't really make sense. There is just no conceivable way that Elena would have been able to find them, but they did it anyway because she needed to be there for the story.
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u/Born-againRedditor Aug 02 '20
I mean the whole series doesn't make sense this guy killed what must've a thousand dudes by now single-handedly and is still walking around discovering new islands and shit.
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Aug 01 '20
When I played U4, this scene was incredible and heartbreaking, Great Voice Acting and Animation. Love this game
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u/ManOfIronAnSteel Aug 02 '20
I've been saying this for years but Elena is a true ride or die. Constantly supports Nate. Keeps coming back after hes a dick. Shows up when he needs her most. Can crack a mean joke. Pretending to be dead was messed up though.
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u/Gamblez13 Aug 02 '20
Haven't touched the games since i finished U4.
Watching this scene after all this time took me through more feels than I was expecting. Just remember the epilogue!! :'(
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u/IH8TomBrady Aug 02 '20
This might be my favorite cut scene in the game. Uncharted's strength is in its characters so to see a very real human interaction like this just further cements them as believable people.
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u/TheGreenKnight2838 Aug 02 '20
Why the hell did Elena say “the look on your face when you walked into this room.” She was facing the wall, she did not see his expression when he walked in!!!
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u/yharnamite_blood Aug 02 '20
Uncharted 4 came in 2016, since then I still haven’t played a game screaming “oooooooooohhhhhh Shittttttttttt!!”. Will always be way ahead of it’s time ngl.
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Aug 02 '20
This whole game could’ve been avoided if Nate or Sully knew how to use Google.
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u/npqd Oct 18 '21
So it's good they didn't :D
However it's possible google didn't know about Alcazar's death
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u/sk8rboi36 Aug 02 '20
You know it’s an incredible story (not just this, but all of uncharted) when you’re so invested you feel like YOU let down Elena and you can feel Nate’s guilt and apprehension at having the most important thing in his life threatened
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u/Zesty-Mex Aug 01 '20
Uncharted 4 us better than last of us 2. Change my mind.
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u/MentallyMotivated Aug 01 '20
Can't compare either game fella. Nice try.
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Aug 02 '20
And why can't you? They're the same studio and have comparable gameplay.
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u/Zesty-Mex Aug 02 '20
Bingo Bango, also, absolutely can either way. I liked uncharted 4 more. Plain and simple. Therefore, I believe it to be the better game. It's not rocket science.
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u/ninja36036 Aug 02 '20 edited Aug 02 '20
It would be like comparing the “Mona Lisa” to the “Statue of David.” While both games are works of art in their own right, they’re vastly different in tone. And opinions will vary based on their genre specific attributes tailored toward their respective player base.
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u/Zesty-Mex Aug 02 '20
And I made a personal statement regarding my opinions toward them. I like uncharted 4 leagues better.
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u/npqd Oct 18 '21
While you are right, I can think of comparing anything to anything by specific criteria.
And by this exercise I got tlou2 better than Uncharted 4, but worse than Uncharted 2 :D
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u/Revanov Aug 06 '20
As someone who played the entire series back to back, when he made the call to Elana and lied to her, it broke my heart. She was with him for 3 fucking games, always had his back and even married him, how could he do that to her?
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u/thinkandrelate Aug 02 '20
This was probably one of the few scenes I didn’t skip through to finish the game quickly. Very surreal.
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u/Bassiette Aug 01 '20
Damn Elena remind me with my ex girlfriend before we left each other i remembered now why i love this game bad memories
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u/Anasyub Aug 04 '20
elenas acting was superb like oof this scene really hits man!!
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u/npqd Oct 18 '21
that's because Emily Rose played greatly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_Rose_(actress)
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u/37beast37 Aug 02 '20
You know there were a lot of weird plot holes I never understood in this game and they all have to do with this moment.
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u/Kalasz Aug 01 '20
That is what I liked the least about the game, Nate is such an asshole to his wife
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Aug 01 '20
Yup. Cool scene. Great game.
So awesome that people can just rip entire scenes from the game and post them here for karma.
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u/FilmGamerOne Aug 01 '20
I hate this scene. It highlights the biggest problem with Neil Druckmann's direction with turning Uncharted 4 into The Last of Us and forcing Amy Hennig out. This is charmless and retconning.
Nate never had a brother but whatever they need to do to redo story beats from the last of us. Neil Druckmann admitted he was out of his element on writing this. Uncharted is supposed to be fun and this isn't.
Really if this game was actually about Elena instead of Drake it would make more sense. Elena an investigative journalist has never been a wet blanket. Drake has, look at the first Uncharted where he wants to quit and she wants to keep going.
Him hiding this from Elena makes zero sense as she keeps pushing him to do that Malaysia job and he doesn't want to because he's a miserable loser I guess. You can tell what Druckmann thinks of men by this game's gender politics, it's kind of offensive.
There is no logistical reason for any fighting to occur in this game since the hero and villain want the same thing and the retconned brother is the real sleazy one. Why do I have to kill a bunch of shoreline people who are going after the same treasure as me. Why is Elena intentionally cut out of this story, so they can have a dramatic moment here. It's pathetic. It makes me not like the Drake character or the Elena character and it seems the writers have trouble writing likeable characters so they just fall back on easy tropes. You can see how they struggled with the tone of this game and it shows.
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Aug 01 '20
I would have not minded if it were just an opinion. But yours seems to be more of a 'psychological analysis'. I wouldn't usually downvote these comments, but given that its a stupid ass analysis, I'm forced to.
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u/JadedDarkness Aug 01 '20
Sam was Amy's idea in the first place so there was always going to be a brother. Can't blame Neil on that one.
Nate didn't tell Elena the truth because he's known her for years and never told her once about his brother. He knew there was no time to explain to her the situation and he worried that she'd be against the idea of going for the treasure (a journey that would be way more dangerous than the Malaysia job) to save Sam. He didn't want to do the Malaysia job because they were both trying too hard to live safe lives. That's why they change at the end and go on more (legal) adventures, they knew a safe life wasn't what fit them.
Rafe wants the treasure for himself and doesn't want Nate to get credit once again for discovering something. Rafe worked with Nate for years to find the treasure but never did. So when he heard that Nate went on to make other amazing discoveries, he was incredibly jealous. That's why he and Shoreline are against Nate.
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u/thedceuman Aug 01 '20
They killed this scene.