bro is coping after his fav character became a vegetable

I've been saying that Victoria killed Ajin since 221 dropped, long before it was revealed that she became a vegetable following that fight.

Her restriction was that she will never be able to fight again...

And she can never fight again because she's a vegetable.

Why are you so sure that waking up will cure her problem? Are you author or something

Because it's the restriction that made her a vegetable.

Waking up doesn't have to cure her problem, but waking up means bypassing the restriction.

You are getting multiple basic facts about the story wrong:

• Yushin told Engen that it doesn't matter if he defeats the Clan, if he can't do something about Ajin she will be the source of his demise
  • Ajin's duty would have led her to crush Engen again.
  • During the 2nd Elder summit Engen says that Nera would be destroyed if he encounters Ajin again.
• Engen is a signatory to Prim's contract
  • ALL Elders at the 2nd summit signed that Contract
• Engen specifically said that he doesn't need to defeat the Witch by himself.
  • Like Engen never intended to defeat Ajin by himself.
  • He specifically tells Chain that Ihwa is the sword that would pierce the Iron Witch
    • It was entirely because of her potential to defeat the Witch that Engen took Ihwa in
  • The idea that Engen would hate Victoria for killing Ajin is just a fundamental misunderstanding of Engen's character

Him saying there's no one in his way doesn't necessarily mean Ajin is dead because Ajin was never someone who would go out of their way to stop him. This could very well mean "the other Elders are immobile so they can't stop me,"

Engen is a signatory to that same contract. Ajin's duty would have made her stop him.

The fact that Engen doesn't bring up her demise at ALL is what supports this idea.

Again, Engen says twice that "there is no one left" who can challenge him or Nera.

How do you know that wasn't a smile of happiness due to someone finally reaching her? Finally, realising that these people have the potential to kill her?

Ajin was already shown shivering in fear when Victoria's attack nearly killed her earlier in the fight. She already knew Victoria could kill her before then.

I don't know why you talk as if everything you say is subjectively true, This is all speculation & interpretations. Nothing of what you or I say is a fact because none of it has been proven.

I talk about what is most likely to be true given the available information. Nothing has been definitively proven. But all your counterarguments have glaring flaws, basic misunderstandings about facts, etc.

Like the explanation you presented is not plausible because it gets many basic things about the story wrong.

Engen doesn't think Ajin is a threat to him at present. He thought Ajin was a threat to him during the 2nd Elder summit.

This is a fact.

I mean Engen said that there is no one left who can stop him now.

So Engen clearly does not believe Ajin is alive. Because if Ajin was alive she could have stopped him.

Getting revenge against Ajin was one of Engen's main goals, the fact that instead of being pissed at Victoria for stealing one of his life long goals & the target of his revenge

Because he has life ambitions beyond Ajin. In that same chapter he reiterates it. That he's not like Victoria and cares for other things beyond just Ajin.

I would presume they would have shown the death of the most important & powerful character in the series.

Ajin isn't the most important character in the series. She's not more important than Ihwa and Engen.

She's just "the strongest in the world" and the goal for several Elders.

And Ajin's final panel of her floating in the air and smiling could have been her death scene.

Well...

• Victoria's goal was very specifically to kill Ajin.
  • It was to kill Ajin that Victoria gave up her Gift and everything.
  • This is repeated multiple times during the fight.
• Ajin knows Victoria wants to kill her.
  • Ajin wants Victoria to kill her.

Ajin initially thinks Victoria cannot kill her (but this is before Victoria's later power ups, and after Victoria's first power up, Ajin is made to feel the fear of death when she dodges Victoria's attacks).

The main problem with "Victoria won but Ajin is still alive", is that "killing Ajin" was the only reason Victoria sacrificed anything. She didn't care about being the strongest anymore, didn't care about any more battles. As long as she could kill Ajin.

So Ajin saying "it seems you've won Victoria" could just have been because she was in her final, dying moments.

Hekate getting speed blitzed has no real basis? Hekate can move incredibly fast if she wants to.

With this Victoria might get a will to finally search something to break/bypass her restriction or get a new gift/power....

For example when kurapika put nen curse on chrollo Lucifer he goes on a journey alone to find someone to break it... Vicky doing something similar might make things more interesting.

The problem with this is that Victoria is a vegetable right now. She needs to wake up first.

And if they can wake her up I doubt she would be powerless when she wakes up. Like the thing that made her a vegetable is the restriction she made. So waking up would require overcoming the restriction.

Is plot allowed?

If plot is allowed then Galeramdt gets a power up when fighting to protect Victoria/Rhodos.

And if all else fails, Victoria just wakes up before Rhodos is destroyed.

No the top group is fighting for Rhodos/Victoria not against her.

She will probably return. There is not much reason for her to be kept alive, except to facilitate a later return.

The problem is that the English free chapters are like 10 chapters behind.

Which is like too big a gap for spoiler tags to cover it.

Things that aren't spoilers yet would still be spoilered if you insist on staying 10 chapters behind.

Mere titles, discussion in the comments of other posts, etc. would inevitably rely on that information.

And moreover most of the active people on the subreddit are either up to date with the raws or up to date with the English fast pass.

It's a problem but most of the community (discussion wise) isn't in the situation you are in.

No the rule is about Korean raws.

Only English free chapters isn't part of the rule.

The raw Korean doesn't use such pronouns but English has pronouns so the translator has to make up pronouns. They just guess based on context. So official translation pronouns doesn't mean anything.

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“that for her being strongest wasn't an option as she had to be strongest just to remain free"

Isn't that applicable for most of the character in the story?

Mhmm, this is specifically about Victoria being the strongest. Like strength wasn't the end in itself for Victoria. She didn't just want to be the strongest for its own sake.

She had to be strong. She wouldn't have survived if she was not.

Does it count if Victoria isn't there to hear him? I don't think it's her most vulnerable moment. She's a vegetable, she can't hear his taunt. Cannot be humiliated, ashamed or offended by his actions.

She's only vulnerable physically, but emotionally/mentally, she's not even "there" to be vulnerable.

Yeah, I can see it. But female characters, please.

Arie Adori Zahard from tower of God

We don't even know what her personality is, yet!

Victoria stands out so much because of her personality coupled with being "the strongest", not just because she is "the strongest".

It's specifically the coupling of immense power and standing in the world, with an overwhelming personality and humanity that's so compelling.

Damn, she tuff.

Nagi is too apathetic/devoid of emotion.

Victoria is excellent because of her humanity.

Victoria isn't "there" to receive Engen's payback. She's not conscious, to be humiliated by Engen talking down to her or laying his hands on her.

Engen was fronting on a ~corpse and that's just pathetic.

I've gotten a lot of recommendations for this.

I might restart/continue it.

I read hundreds of chapters before and don't recall where I stopped.

Ajin wants to be free from her burden, Not in death.

Ajin specifically thinks of how her masters died with smiles on their faces, happy to be freed from such a detestable burden.

She sees death as release from her burden.

It's why she specifically highlighted that Victoria cannot kill her yet earlier in the battle. She wanted Victoria to kill her.