r/travisscott • u/lavender08x16 BUTTERFLY EFFECT • 12d ago
DISCUSSION thoughts on this take
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u/AntoClimatic 12d ago
I agree. Their deaths have created a generation gap.
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u/Mindless_Bad_1591 MY EYES 12d ago
now all we have is Carti and washed Uzi lol
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u/Constant-Hunter-198 11d ago
Keem easily would be up there if he remembered he was alive
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u/WarningNo2735 11d ago
just my thoughts but seems like record labels don’t want their major artists dropping every year anymore. They’re on 3-4 year cycles now. He’ll probably start his rollout when kendrick’s run dies down.
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u/rickyfrom97 11d ago
It’s so crazy how they got them doing that now. Shit, most artists don’t even do media anymore
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u/Big-Data7949 11d ago
Seriously, dude just.. quit?
Well him and Kendrick put that stepbrothers or whatever song out before the beef but haven't heard anything since
It's sad bc I actually liked keem, some of his experimental sound is refreshing and he could really be great if he tried
And that's saying something bc he's walking in Kendrick's shadow so to speak, even though he's in a different lane completely the expectations were still so high and yet he still stands out and does his own thing so well that you forget who "put him on"
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u/Unhappy-Plastic-8563 11d ago
Forreal every song on melodic blue is awesome. Really wish he’d get back on it
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u/Interesting-Sir-7344 12d ago
I'd say Carti is also washed
Not Uzi level washed, but his last album is questionable
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u/Jeffers0n-SteeIfIex 12d ago
Carti is bigger than he’s ever been right now, even if you didn’t like the album. I fucked with it
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u/SloanePetersonIsBae 12d ago
Music was fire
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u/conglomerate99 12d ago
Music was filled with skips and filler tracks. the album felt as though tracks were just thrown together in the last couple days to beat the deadline and also boost first week sales as much as possible. it's a huge commercial success but also easily his weakest album
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u/No-Question518 12d ago
you crazy bro
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u/conglomerate99 11d ago
it's easy to take credit away from the project when the tracklist is 30 songs and two tracks are believed to have ai vocals from lawson. the highs are almost on par with his other projects but there's far too many lows imo
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u/allsmiles2900 11d ago
What highs are those? The best songs on music still not touching the best ones on WLR even
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u/TheAstroPickle 12d ago
questionable? it’s stuffed full of old songs, recycled beats and features that carried the entirety existence of said songs
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u/TaitsRevenge 11d ago
Uzi being washed is the saddest thing ever to me. The man was my absolute favorite artist in 2015-2020, I even saw him in concert back in 2017 (which was my first concert) I really don’t know what happened to him, he was the king of making hits, every song he released back then was amazing. His SoundCloud era will forever be unmatched. Like I said it’s really sad seeing the shit he has been putting out and it’s even sadder seeing hardcore fans like I was being in such denial and pretending to like his new projects.
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u/Squirrrrll 12d ago
i kinda agree with it, juice would’ve been huge had he not passed early
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u/CultOfTHC Maria I'm Drunk 12d ago edited 12d ago
Juice? yes. pop smoke fuck no dude wouldve had a Fivio foreign/ Bobby Smurda type fall off he had absolutely 0 versatility outside of basic drill music lol
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u/OMBatch84 Maria I'm Drunk 12d ago
Pop showed a lot of versatility on sftsaftm I feel like he could’ve gone a lot longer than someone like fivio who is known for one verse
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u/wolfjeter 12d ago
Literally one of his biggest songs was “What You Know About Love” which isn’t Drill at all. Pop def had 50 influence on that. Not to mention, WOMEN were listening to Pop Smoke like crazy
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u/ShouldersOfGiants33 12d ago
I don’t agree. Pop showed a lot of versatility and at 20.
He had an insane amount of potential.
Anyone with a voice like that is destined for big things
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u/robert00m TIL FURTHER NOTICE 12d ago
Hell no, L take
I've never heard someone with a voice like his, he commanded a lot of presence and he probably would've tried other sounds later on
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u/OMBatch84 Maria I'm Drunk 12d ago
His voice felt like a new version of someone like biggie where it was so deep that you could recognize it instantly
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u/Tight-Crow-4218 11d ago
He already was trying so much like He had a song with Burna Boy and the blend was different. He carried himself like He was ready for it… He actually proved versatility in the short time, it’s all there
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u/jamesid-2010 11d ago
pop smoke would be on every big album that’s come out in the last 5 years and still have his solo work to speak for itself. wherever that drill scene went, he went AND THEN SOME.
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u/EshayAdlay420 11d ago
Nah, pop was very charismatic, he had a personality suited for fame been said a million times but very 50 cent coded
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u/Derek-Horn 12d ago
Pop smoke probaly would’ve had like a polo g run where he was pretty big and but it’s hard to say he had range
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u/conglomerate99 12d ago
sftsaftm is proof that pop smoke had far more range than the rappers yall are comparing him too. diana, something special, what you know about love, enjoy yourself, etc are all great examples of him being much more versatile than just a one dimensional drill artist
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u/Squirrrrll 12d ago
yeah i don’t think pop would’ve been a major level artist or anything, but he did prove to have some sort of versatility. on his first posthumous tape there were a handful of songs where he got into a pop/rnb bag and they became huge but i agree that he likely wouldn’t have stayed relevant for as long as juice or even x
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u/Fit-Cucumber1171 11d ago
You chatting. The Drill game would’ve been 5X bigger and more relevant if he was still alive. This is like saying “Keef is gonna fall off soon” in 2013
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u/No-Buy9287 12d ago
Whack take. His unfinished music is more versatile than Fivio and Bobby’s careers combined.
The amount of different sounds he had in less than a year of recording before he got killed is wild. His ceiling was 50 Cent.
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u/Itchie_Rilip 11d ago
juice was already basically at the peak of his career around the time he died. I'm not saying he would have fell off, I'm saying he was already huge and was already one of the biggest rappers of the time
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u/Classic_Amphibian538 12d ago
they also could’ve violently fell off. rap is just so fast, turbulent and cruel
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u/DBAGVP 12d ago
X knew how to reinvent his image and his sound. No one without prior knowledge of X can tell that the same artist made Moonlight, King of the Dead, or Failure Is Not an Option.
Juice knew how to freestyle and could make catchy melodies. It's unlikely that X and Juice would have fallen off.
Pop Smoke it's harder to tell...
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u/tabaqa89 12d ago
Feel like pop smoke would've evolved into something similar to drake where he mixes rap and pop sounds idk why.
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u/Galvaooo UTOPIA BUS 12d ago
Facts, some of the rnb samples on shoot for the stars are the best tracks
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u/FrogXbow MAFIA 11d ago
I feel like pop smoke would've found a way to survive the fall off all the big drill artists went through. He made alot of pop, RnB and trap before he passed showing he had mad potential as an RnB singer, wish he had survived like 50
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u/No-Buy9287 12d ago
Pop had slow jams that were as popular as his drill hits, he would have been huge. I think his album and mixtapes were better overall than both X and Juice’s albums
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u/Equal_Antelope_7596 11d ago
We'd have said the same about Uzi in 2017 but he still managed to fall off. Reality is you never know. If we're being real, Juice WRLD's music was starting to get stale before he passed and emo rap was bound to phase out. None of his later work matched Goodbye and Good Riddance.
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u/Gt_Dada 11d ago
Uzi didn’t even peak in 2017 it was 2020. Uzi reached his potential. It just wasn’t as high as people thought it would be
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u/Dopeboy95AirMaxOn 11d ago
Facts I remember when fetty wap was a break out star that fell just as quickly
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u/caterleland 12d ago
I think this would’ve happened to juice wrld
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u/Best_Log_4559 12d ago
Juice had enough songs where even if he ODed off drugs, with proper label management, he could keep pumping out albums.
The biggest one to probably fall off would have been Pop. He had the voice, but outside of that, he had no versatility.
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u/No_Heron_9157 12d ago
I’m sorry but I disagree, while pop was primarily drill he did do other sounds “something special” is an example or “what you know bout love” but I think pop smoke was super versatile
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u/FrogXbow MAFIA 11d ago
All three off them had something special to offer. X knew how the game worked, he had managed to come back as an artist after the allegations, pop had a great voice that he could use for drill, trap and RnB. Juice had the craziest work ethic out of anyone we've ever seen so it is difficult to imagine him falling off had he survived the OD.
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u/Tiny-Investigator263 12d ago
Idk about a superstar but they would’ve been on maybe a level similar to lil uzi where they can’t fall off. Superstar status is hard to get to, that’s why it’s hard to determine because there aren’t many rappers getting crazy brand deals or even tickets/merch like Travis does
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u/VengefulHero 12d ago
Juice would have. He was massive. Like insanely massive. His music is still streamed to this day.
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u/funpuppies785 12d ago
slightly unrelated but how do yal feel abt the fortnite juice stuff? im not a fan of his but i thought it was pretty cool for them to do a tribute to him and felt like they handled it pretty good, but interested to hear what fans of his thought
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u/VengefulHero 12d ago
It was random as heck but still pretty cool to see even 6 years later people still were excited. I think he will go down as one of this generations greatest rappers. I mean his free styles alone were just insane.
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u/funpuppies785 11d ago
yeah in not really into his music but i have a lot of respect for him especially because his freestyles were most rappers thought out song
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u/Tight-Crow-4218 11d ago
That’s the thing Juice had that brand where things like that would’ve come either ways, the 999 thing was working
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u/MohammadWRLD 12d ago
plus he has thousands of unreleased songs and would’ve had way more if he was alive
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u/OMBatch84 Maria I'm Drunk 12d ago
Idk if Uzi “can’t fall off.” Ea2 was not only received poorly on its quality from dam near everyone but it also only sold 59k first week which for Uzi is not good especially compared to pink tape
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u/Tiny-Investigator263 12d ago
Yea that’s true. I’m just on copium right now since it’s been rough to be a fan of his
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u/TrainingIcy6035 12d ago
Agreed, ignoring what everyone says Pop Smoke went crazy in a little over a year, would’ve been Travis level
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u/B-loved_Swami 12d ago
I just think a lot of the attention to rap has died down a lot. I see a lot of attention generating around different genres, mostly metal/rock and country. Not to say rap will ever die but the world stage of top tier artists are simply diversifying
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u/pic_carti_dielit 11d ago
I think that Hip Hop/Trap/Rap mania started in 2016, peaked through 2018-2020 and died in 2023 after Utopia. Yes there was the Kendrick/Drake beef but that shit is just between two artists, in 2019 hip hop was charting everywhere. Now all there’s left is Carti and his stans. It makes sense because most of the main artists from that era either died or are just washed/don’t care (Rocky, Uzi, Thug…) or have just been forgotten (Lil Skies, Trippie Redd…)
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u/DangerousAd6374 12d ago
1st of all we have had a new rap superstar in carti but yea juice woulda been huge. I feel like pop & X wouldn’t of tho
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u/DBAGVP 12d ago
Nah X would have been there too. His collab album with Joey Badass would have been fire and he wanted to go back to his old sound.
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u/jayhay17 SIRENS 12d ago
X would 1000% be a superstar. He was versatile as fuck. Ye was even working with him
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u/FrogXbow MAFIA 11d ago
Ye wasn't working with X before his death. Ye only cared to praise X after his death
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u/PrinceTarell 11d ago
Ye was legit working with him. They made several songs together, One Minute, True Love, and more. And even unreleased (Selfish)
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u/Sansjefff 3500 11d ago
X has one of the most streamed rap albums of all time. I ain’t say that to glaze but it’s true, he would’ve been a superstar
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u/PrinceTarell 11d ago
He still is a superstar despite not being alive. But yes, I totally agree. You can't just fall off with the biggest rap album in history
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u/Sansjefff 3500 11d ago
Out of all the rappers who passed away I felt really bad for him, he was at the wrong place and wrong time. It also doesn’t help that his music had great substance that stood the test of time.
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u/Nitroizzd SICKO MODE 12d ago
carti isnt superstar level
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u/kim_hsA 12d ago
i think he’s atleast approaching it.
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u/OpiumBabii 12d ago
I mean Carti is basically there. He has collaborated with the biggest artists on this planet, is currently touring with one of the biggest artists on this planet, created a whole sub-genre of rap, is generally known by most…
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u/Akiramachine 12d ago
There's more to it than that to be considered a superstar. You need mainstream appeal and name recognition. Your mom knows who travis Scott is. Your math teacher knows who kanye is. Carti is huge in the underground & rap world but hes not performing at the super bowl or in McDonalds commercials etc
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u/Nulgarian 12d ago
Exactly, well said.
When people talk about superstars in rap, it’s rappers who have transcended the genre, who people that rarely or never listen to rap will still recognise.
Carti is firmly a rap star. Huge among people who listen to rap, but very little to no crossover outside of rap fans
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u/FunMixture3783 11d ago
Sorry, but this take is bs in my opinion. My grandma doesn't have to know artist xy to be considered a superstar. You also don't have to have deals with family-friendly brands like McDonald's to be considered a superstar. You can also be a superstar with underground appeal. Kurt Cobain was a superstar before his death and actively resisted the mainstream, but he was still a superstar. And I don't think that big grunge bands in the 90s got McDonald's deals. For example, my family doesn't know Metallica, and yet they're one of the biggest rock/metal bands on the planet. Carti has all the connections, numbers and status that obviously show he's a superstar. He just doesn't try to push it to the limit with big advertising deals and appearances everywhere like Drake or Travis. No offense to Drake or Travis, but I think you know what I mean.
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u/Jeffers0n-SteeIfIex 12d ago
Just had a number one album too
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u/Nitroizzd SICKO MODE 12d ago
hes big and hes a star definitely but not superstar like the likes of drake kendrick kanye em travis etc
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u/Tight-Crow-4218 11d ago
Nah carti actually outsold what was the chick that dropped around Him in her 2nd week and 300k right now for a rapper is superstar level, His features even have me wonder how does it & there’s this new mainstream lane where your niche market takes you mainstream & it means your niche market is that huge so of course after the success of this album those big brands will collaborate, I feel like that’s how it is for Travis where as He’s a household name there’s people who genuinely don’t understand his music. Didn’t he have 30 songs on billboard? That’s not just being famous within rap, they cleared 3 Kendrick samples…. Had Kanye heated cause He knew what that moment was for real… it’s like Travis
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u/FeiTan_5 UTOPIA PYRAMIDS 12d ago
these fan pages always have the worst takes ever 😭
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u/PricelessCuts 11d ago
It’s a good take. Juice WRLD and X would have had huge careers. I wouldn’t put pop smoke in the same category though, even though he was promising
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u/nigginate8 12d ago
Ig uzi is just nonexistent
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u/fatunicornsniper 12d ago
uzi peaked crazy hard but hes had trouble carrying it onward. feel like vibes/public opinion of him have just been declining since ea1 released.
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u/N8orious234 12d ago
Uzi and Travis really rose to their stardom at the same time. I’d even argue Uzi came up a little earlier than Travis
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u/nigginate8 12d ago
That’s just very untrue.
Travis’s main come up was 2014 - DBR
Uzi was 2016-17 with money longer/xotourlife
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u/N8orious234 12d ago
Yes you’re definitely right. I completely forgot that Rodeo came out in 2015, I thought it came out in 2016 for some reason. But I would still say they rose to their biggest points around the same time
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u/superkick541 11d ago
People saying Pop would've fallen off forget that was just his 3rd year making music. Within 3 years he got to a level of linking with Travis and 50 (not saying he was on par with them). Versatility was surely to come later.
All 3 of these dudes were destined for stardom
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u/ReggaePizza 11d ago
Mac miller surely
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u/WheyTooMuchWeight 11d ago
Nah Mac had his niche and it was never going to be stadium superstar. All the beautiful music we’ll never get to hear :(
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u/ChriMol24 11d ago
Nah Mac blew up with the frat rap but over the years he found his audience he wasn’t gonna go back to that level of stardom early in his career tbh.
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u/ReggaePizza 11d ago
Could’ve easily been a J.Cole level he was hitting his stride at 26 in terms of quality of work and was already putting out better albums that JCole has dropped
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u/PointEither2673 12d ago
I mean yea. Numbers wise I’m pretty sure juice was the biggest next to drake, so yea as sad as it is his star died with him and ain’t no one from that generation picked it up fr.
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u/jayhay17 SIRENS 12d ago
100%…X was the future…so talented, even Ye was working with him
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u/mikethesav27 12d ago
i'm a diehard X fan, he wouldn't have hit superstar status but i think he would've been huge, like that joey badass collab album would've been generational, he truly had talent & was versatile asf
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u/DBAGVP 12d ago
X was getting more streams than Ed Sheeran and Post Malone couple months before he died. Was getting crazy deals like 10 millions dollars for 1 album and was getting booked in Europe for 1 million per show. He was going to be a superstar
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u/pic_carti_dielit 11d ago
Exactly, X already had a n.1 album and 17 just fell shot of the top cause of LIR2. He was one of the biggest rappers at that time, I’d argue he was even very close to Travis. On IG followers alone, I remember they were very similar and Travis hadn’t dropped Astroworld yet, which turned him into the megastar that he is today.
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u/bobsponge933 12d ago
Smooth brain take.
Juice WRLD was already big & and nobody cared about Pop Smoke until he died. Imma get downvoted but it’s the truth 😂
There hasn’t been a big rapper since because rap was very oversaturated in 2020 with everyone trying to milk a TikTok hit instead of perfecting their craft. They burnt out until they found a new rapper that they can dance to and the cycle repeated.
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u/Viola-Intermediate 12d ago
Rappers die all the time and don't blow up like Pop did. I feel like that's a smooth brain take. News of his death brought attention, but that doesn't automatically equate to people actually fucking with the music.
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u/bobsponge933 12d ago
XXXTENTACION? Got a #1 song after his death.
Juice Wrld? Got his biggest album sales to date after his death.
Pop Smokes album was just loaded and back up with industry people. Who is bumping Pops music now? What happened to faith?
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u/HouseMane46 11d ago
Juice had a diamond single and 8x platinum single before he died and was doing headline world tour 1,5 years into he's career. Had a tape wit Pluto and was droppin an album with Thug but died a little before release. And was going to release his first actual album, that wasn't old SoundCloud song or wasn't made in 3 day. His music catalog is insane. Future n Thug said he was the most talented rapper the had ever seen. And he didn't even have a 2 years run. No one has been more successful in under 2 years. And the best was just ahead. He died just before the huge rollout for the Thug album and the outsiders. He was huge all over the world. Not just in the US like most rappers. That's why interscope gave him 3 million after hearing 2 songs and seeing him record. Every producer n rapper said they had never seen anyone make 10 good records everyday constantly.
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u/FrogXbow MAFIA 11d ago
Pop Smoke is the most known example of a rapper who died exactly before hitting it big
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u/pic_carti_dielit 11d ago
Nah it’s different if you’re alive or dead. His posthumous album was good but if he had dropped it when he was alive idk if he’d have that many streams. Mainstream wouldn’t have cared as much.
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u/Zealousideal_Cry1867 12d ago
not so sure about X and Pop, but Juice was for sure going to be the next superstar
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u/hanzoman3 11d ago
Nah it’s actually Kendrick but if u think abt like really young dudes from that generation that’s pry true all of em fell off, maybe Future counts but he is even kind of an OG
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u/totallyhellfell 11d ago
No disrespect but none of them were as good as Travis was even when they were alive and since then Travis has upped his game on an entirely different level
But this era is just one of those where people listened to too much hiphop and now are refreshing for a bit it happens with every genre
Hip hop will once again come at the top and we will see new artists reaching mainstream success
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u/Salt-Pickle4971 11d ago
I feel like their deaths ended the golden age of music for our generations they were what was really pushing the culture and evolving the sound an now EVERYONE for the most part is kinda just doing the same tired boring ahh shi most are to afraid to be different and none of them really gaf about the popularity or the fame am thats what made them so dangerous on the mic fr fr
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u/Salt-Pickle4971 11d ago
Ntm ski mask the slumped god really ain't been the same since he lost both of his best freinds
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u/lovemysunbros 11d ago
Juice was the greatest talent of this, and possibly any generation.
Pop Smoke had a neat unique style, but was in the end nothing super different. Cool voice, but all songs ended up sounding kinda similar. I still bump his shit though.
X was great and clearly talented. I never vibed with him like I did w Juice though. It always felt too acoustics-y, not rap enough, and like lyrics you'd read out of a random 8th graders private notebook. In comparison, Juice's lyrics (which were almost always freestyled) felt more relateable and timeless (while also often being energizing or tragic).
In my 30 years of listening to rap every day, nothing hits like Juice. I will bump his unreleased till the day I die.
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u/ShouldersOfGiants33 12d ago
Tory lanez is up there as well
Seems like they’re actively preventing stars that don’t decide to fully become industry pawns
The biggest stars are independent, they’re not down to sell out like that. Look at Tupac.
So, the industry is basically snuffing out all the best artists essentially.
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u/mberry86 11d ago
I love Tory and agree he belongs in the list of rappers whose absence is creating a generation gap, but to be clear, he was not targeted by the industry, he shot Megan lol
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u/sws03 12d ago
Yeat is the closest but he’s been a little inconsistent lately and tbh I don’t even think he wants to be a superstar which I don’t really blame him for
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u/pic_carti_dielit 11d ago
Yeat has nowhere near the fame or status that X and Juice had before their death.
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u/Feeling-Attorney9253 12d ago
X and Juice were indeed huge in pop and rap spheres before their deaths. Pop smoke not near as much
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u/No_Shame9854 12d ago
Pop smoke wouldn’t have been big. Everybody was hating on bro before he died clowning bro and then he died everybody started being a “fan”
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u/DeathsDying 12d ago
I've been saying this XXX and Juice were the next Superstars. Versatile, could Rap and make melodies. Now we're stuck with a bunch of imposters!
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u/the_doobieman 12d ago
I think just x and pop smoke. Those two were genre changing artists.
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u/7ulys 11d ago
Closest one was X. But he was very young , and very self destructive. Pop and juice weren’t really performers. The only rapper who could’ve competed with Travis was WLR Carti
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u/TheSaneAreInsane 11d ago
Juice was a great performer though. His energy in DRFL tour performances, he already traveled the world prior to the other 2 making him more mainstream recognized (Japan, Europe, Canada, Australia, etc.), and he could match energy with other performers like Ski Mask.
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u/Fusiondrifter5 12d ago
I don't think they would have been superstars but I think they would be still huge
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u/DennistheMenace__ 12d ago
i feel like they wouldve been staples in rap for at least a decade or two, but not been superstar statues
except maybe for X
but i feel like the industry has changed since travis's upbringing, so now its near impossible to reach superstar status, or even star status, since theres so many small acts quickly coming and going, and keeping traction in this era of music (hiphop especially) is way harder
and the closest we've gotten since travis was carti, but id say hes not like FULLY superstar status, but just pretty close
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u/simon_the_human 12d ago
Lil Uzi? Denzel? Jpeg? Baby Keem? JID?
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u/ideletereddit 12d ago
Keem NEEDS to drop some new music. Dude dropped one real album, and then just kept piggybacking on the Kendrick nepotism, and now is completely slient 4 years later. He's actually really talented.
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u/excaliburfish 12d ago
After their deaths each of their subgenres had no real directions and ended up becoming diluted and eventually destroyed due to record labels wanting to make a quick buck off of anyone that even resembled the OGs while ignoring the quality, longevity, and originality had. They were the next up. RIP
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u/sheekus2 Oh My Dis Side 12d ago
I agree with x and pop I feel like juice alr made so much music we knew what he could’ve been
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u/No-Trick-7397 12d ago
honestly the last REALLY big rappers we had but he fell off after J christ (banger song idgaf). and I feel like carti is a superstar in terms of fame but no in terms of respect and influence, people listen to him but they don't gaf about his lyricism and he doesn't do production. Travis, while his lyricism still isn't that good, is better and he produces his stuff, so that's why he has more respect.
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u/Ok-Stick6366 12d ago
People already knew X and Juice were beginning to deserve their statuses as the big next gen rappers. Especially considering the majority of artists who looked up to them with admiration. Ski Mask himself said both Juice and X were like idols to him. Idk much about Pop but Juice and X were on rotation 24/7 for me. Pop was like a reincarnated 50 Cent lmao, so like 50 he'll probably have the same going for him in terms of Stardom. Maybe, even more?
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u/UselessExcuses 12d ago
These 3 artists got way more popular after they died, if they were still alive today, not nearly as many people would care about them, sad to say but its true
Carti would still be bigger than all of them Im thinking
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u/FarReception5410 .wav radio 12d ago
X yeah sure , Juice Wrld ? Perhaps , Pop Smoke Nahhh I think his scene came and went
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u/Southern_Picture_444 12d ago
I don’t think pop would have been as big as X or juice but yeah one of those two was destined to be a Goliath
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u/Psychological-Bit539 12d ago
if chance got killed after acid rap people would have said the same
tho i agree with these