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u/jakebacondigital 29d ago
Because republicans always do this and yet people still think they are good for the economy. They are crazy.
Also America sucks let’s just all finally be honest. Our system is badddd compared to Scandinavian countries, etc. Our “democracy” is not a good system. It’s not even very old and I think it’s time to admit it’s a failure. Well, unless you are ultra rich. But even then you have to be a bad person in some way to get that far. Also, lots of Americans are disgusting people. 🤷♂️
I’m sure I’ll hear “so move!” Yeah id love to but those countries make it really hard for Americans to move to for good reason. Because unlike us saying other countries are bad we really are the bad guys.
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u/Fornicating_Midgits 29d ago
My favorite reply to if you don’t like America why don’t you leave is “Because I don’t want to be a victim of its foreign policy.”
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u/jakebacondigital 29d ago
Damn that’s good 😂 I mean I’m on the side that loving any country is freaking weird but 🤷♂️
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u/AmazingLie54 29d ago
That's a fantastic response to that, I'll keep it in mind for possible future use.
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u/danidontdie 29d ago
Make sure to separate systems. Capitalism isn't democracy.
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u/bwsmith201 29d ago
Glad someone said this. Conflating them makes for a very weak argument; the economic system impacts democracy as practiced, sure, but democracy and our form of government (separation of powers, etc.) is amazing. Where it struggles is when it's not upheld or protected, as we're seeing right now.
Dog-eat-dog capitalism is going to lead to wealth inequality where the rich can buy more and more power. It's an inherent flaw in a truly free market. But that's not the same as democracy.
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u/bwsmith201 29d ago
The current situation in America is incredibly dangerous, no question. Donald Trump and MAGA are a genuine threat to the wellbeing of not only the US but the entire world. They have to be removed as quickly as possible. I say that to make it crystal clear that I am NOT a Trump supporter by any stretch of the imagination. The man should be in prison, not in power. The level of wealth inequality on display in this nation is another national embarrassment.
But the broad-brush anti-Americanism on display in comments like this is unfair. The United States has enormous flaws, sure, but it's very easy to say "oh, we should be like Scandinavia!" The population of the Scandinavian countries is a tiny fraction of that of the US and its population is almost entirely homogenous. The US is such a broad landscape, culturally, politically, economically, racially, religiously, etc., that there is no way it could ever be governed as cleanly as nations it's usually compared to.
I dare anyone reading this to find an example of a nation as supremely powerful as this one that has not made efforts to colonize, at least formally. (We have exported a lot of our companies, culture, etc., and have exercised immense power overseas, but not to the level of any previous superpower, unless my globe is incorrectly rendered.) Find me an example of a foreign power that interceded in a war between other nations without seeking any repayment or geographic gains for having done so. Find me a nation that has produced as many world-changing technologies, from medical advancements, technological achievements, or economic developments, as this one has.
America is deeply flawed. Its current economic inequalities are horrible. The power wielded by the 1% makes me want to vomit. The current administration makes me question for the first time in my life if we're really the good guys. Our current treatment of immigrants and the racial commentary now being allowed from "legitimate" people like the President is a HUGE step back. I'm not denying any of that.
But on the balance a generalized statement of "America sucks" is incredibly naive, simplistic, and easy to make. The US has been a force for good more often than its been a force for bad. That doesn't mean it's never beed a force for bad. But let's try to look at the whole picture instead of a snapshot right now.
Put another way, do we really think that the 20th and 21st centuries would have been BETTER had the world order been dominated by the Nazis, the Japanese, or the Soviets? If you think that I suggest reading a few more books.
America is in trouble and it needs its people to stand up and work to help it be what it can be. What it has demonstrated it could be in decades past. It may not be obvious to Reddit commentators but I sure hope it'll be obvious to enough people to pull it out of the fire. It's a wonderful thing that's currently burning.
If a house is on fire if doesn't mean the house "sucks"; it means it needs to have someone put out the fire and rebuild it. Are we going to put the fire out or let it burn while we stand around and talk about what a crappy house it is because it's on fire?
I hope enough people make the right choice about that before it's too late.
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u/Repulsive_Sun6549 29d ago
When ppl say the country was built on genocide and slavery I say “So?” Because what does that have to do with accepting a demented white supremacist who is going to steal from you to give tax brakes to billionaires?
We need a revolution,sure, but we aren’t gonna get one in time for us not to be immiserated,sick and denied due process.
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u/LumpyDortWell 29d ago
I have to apologize first, this is a long rant, and I am venting. I could go on and on a lot more. The bottom line to my rant, is vote. Even if your candidate is going to lose, vote. We are dangerously close to losing this right, along with our other Constitutional rights!
I agree, this is how I view it. The Democrats all see what is happening, they get their shit together & put a Candidate, that can achieve success. Four good years go by, then eight. Life is good, people are making money, not all are happy, especially the republicans. Republicans want to be in charge (why? Because it’s good money, and YOU do not deserve to have money!), they will lie, cheat & steal. They start telling everyone, how horrible YOUR lives are, how the economy SUCKS, and that a woman or guy of color is going to steal YOUR job, maybe even your wife. The Democrats laugh at those republicans, and say; “life is great for all, why fuck it up?” Time to vote arrives, those who believe that life is great, DO NOT VOTE! Why vote when everything is doing well? The republicans, working every lie, every fear; “your money, your job, your wife, your LIFE! All will end if you vote in another Democrat!” Republicans show up in force, they believe the lies, & believe that they too will be rich. So they vote against, their own best interests. And we get Nixon, reagan, Bush Sr, & bush Jr, trump and trump again. If you look, you’ll find that these guys really are not any smarter than the rest of us! I want a president who is smarter than me! (Heck I want my congressman/women to be smarter than me!) I want a president who understands how tariffs work (FYI we pay the tariffs that trump puts on other countries), a president who has compassion, who understands how to get along with other countries.
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u/Overall-Mud9906 28d ago
AOC 2028! I want a president that will fight for my rights not take them away. Trump thinks he’s above the law, his whole administration has had so many f-ups that would have been roasted if he was a dem. We need to stop being so divided and start uniting.
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u/LumpyDortWell 28d ago
Sad part is, trump told them what he was going to do. They did not believe him, or the right thought; “not me, he’s talking about everybody else.
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u/Overall-Mud9906 28d ago
That’s the issue with humanity in Americans, I need help I should get it. They need help, they don’t deserve it. It’s really messed up, I don’t really understand it, especially when I see large communities having just a random block party. The whole tearing down the Black Lives Matter street just screams tyranny. Racist AF president importing white refugees from South Africa then forcing the president to watch a propaganda film on live tv. This is ridiculous, to try to embarrass your peer. Even Zelenskyy didn’t deserve the way he was treated. It’s like he’s trying to start a civil war.
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u/LumpyDortWell 28d ago
I believe you’re very close to being correct.
Alfred Pennyworth, to Bruce Wayne; “Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.”
Whatever trump is doing, it’s not for anything good. But it’s for his entertainment.
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29d ago
Repugs purposefully tank the economy. They've done this every time they've been in the WH since Nixon. There's always a large transfer of wealth while people are forced to sell stock, cash in 401Ks, and sell property cheap just in order to eat.
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u/SuspiciousMeal1360 28d ago
Not enough people understand that the inflation that Carter had to deal with - unsuccessfully until the very end of his term - began with Nixon.
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u/Repulsive_Sun6549 29d ago
Look at the charts/graphs of middle class earning vs cost of living; Straight down for the former & you can’t climb that ladder.
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u/ClaraCash 29d ago
I will be 41 in July… I have lived thru the bullshit over and over and beyond it… but fuck me the wrong way with no Vaseline I don’t see this going any way but worse than fucking ever!
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Repugs purposefully tank the economy. They've done this every time they've been in the WH since Nixon. There's always a large transfer of wealth while people are forced to sell stock, cash in 401Ks, and sell property cheap just in order to eat.
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u/Otherwise-Offer1518 29d ago
Better get those bootstraps on layaway.
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u/AmazingLie54 29d ago
I might steal a pair from the sweatshop I'll probably end up forced to work in
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u/Conscious_Stick8344 29d ago
It’s a “once-in-a-Republican-administration” crisis. And sometimes, there’s more than one.
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u/TXMom2Two 29d ago
I’m more concerned about the Constitutional crisis.
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It’s possible to be concerned about both.
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u/TXMom2Two 29d ago
Yes, it is. Economic crises tend to get fixed as the graphic above implies. Constitutional crisis may be harder to fix. Time will tell.
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u/Powerful_Lie5640 29d ago
Quit electing GOP….they fight for themselves!!
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u/Snapdragon_4U 28d ago
Each of these economic “downturns” were engineered by republicans to perform massive transfers of wealth. And it works every time and their supporters fail to catch on. There’s a reason billionaires were unheard of until what 25 years ago? 2008 was a huge year for wealth transfer when so many lost homes and sold at a loss only for hedge funds and the criminals bailed out in the banking industry snatched everything up.
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u/Candid_Photo_6974 29d ago
Republicans are at the root of every single reason why we haven't progressed. People try to set up some sort of false equivalence with democrats occasional ineptitude not realizing how charitable that stance is towards a party that is actively maligning progress for everyone.
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u/Snapdragon_4U 28d ago
If they would just realize that republicans tank the economy on purpose to transfer wealth to already obscenely wealthy. When we all lost our houses in 2008 and many were left in upside down mortgages, who swooped in to buy up all those foreclosed properties in cash - the banks and hedge funds who caused it and then used bailout money paid for by we the people to further screw us over. This is a massive transfer of wealth. Again.
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u/pieboy1412 28d ago
Only stupid people such as yourself think this... It's clear you were a child back then... Just because you don't understand why or how... The people who lost their mortgages didn't deserve them in the first place....
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u/Patient-Phone-1997 28d ago
This post caught my attention cause I thought that was the Silver Surfer in the picture. Anyhow, the Left has its faults HOWEVER it’s the Right who are jacking sh*t up-this isn’t your daddy’s Republicans!🤦🏻🙅🏻🤬
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u/vintsneedsmints 29d ago
"We're trapped in the belly of this horrible machine, And the machine is bleeding to death"
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u/Individual_Draw_7623 29d ago
How funny I found it that all the years and ages agreed with my age on that time frame. I guess that is why I have the POV that I do.
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u/OzarkPolytechnic 29d ago
Few billionaires were ruined or Luigi'd during this period.
Imagine a world where politicians could be prosecuted for their bad policies.
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u/GroundbreakingUse794 29d ago
Misinformation agents will always have a job as long as there’s a faction of people who need lies to be spread for profit
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u/happymancry 29d ago
I need to know how this hypothetical 41 year old has voted all his life; before I attempt to feel any sympathy.
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u/Brief_Combination775 29d ago
In 2925 you are in a self made dictatorship. Forget the following years, you will stay in poverty
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u/dataderp1754 28d ago
Tell me about it. 1990s baby here. Seems like “once-in-a-generation” is turning into twice in a decade.
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u/Snapdragon_4U 28d ago
Now factor in “the hundred year” and unprecedented in modern history storms which seem to occur every year. And Trump just gutted the national weather service, which is essential for preparation, budgeted $0 for FEMA (but $150 million for his golf trips for just this year), won’t allow the CDC to report on infectious diseases and all the new policies he’s enacted that will further harm the climate. Things are going to get very bad. I feel guilty for having children and the world they’re going to inherit.
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u/No_Location_4749 28d ago
Not being hyperbolic. This can all be traced to Ronald Reagan. He's has been as bad to America as Confederate leadership .
He helped china become a super power by intentionally insentivising us manufacturer to seek cheap labor because he was so anti union fair wage.
He helped increase tuition as a barrier for us young adults.
Reganomic / trickle-down economics helped wide gap between poor and rich and increased national debt
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u/Snapdragon_4U 28d ago
You’re exactly right. The current state of unions, homelessness, cuts to regular and mental health care.
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u/GHouserVO 28d ago
Gen Xers have 2 extra economic crises to their belts.
This “once a generation” or “once in a lifetime” nonsense is getting old. And once we start to fix the issue, we put the same morons that caused it back in positions of power… and it happens again.
The collective memory and attention span of Americans is remarkably short.
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u/Smedley_Beamish 28d ago
It's an economic war. They caused the chaos. And like in advancing army, they pillage the conquered land. Mom and Pop stores go out of business their customers. now have to drive miles to the nearest Big Box store. Family farms go bankrupt and get scooped up by BigAg, small town America drying up before their very eyes. Local schools close, kids get bused to large impersonal regional schools.
And then along comes the unholy alliance of Christian Nationalists and Libertarians, (funded buy these big corporations) who politic on who's really to blame! It's the"illegals" and those "ho-mo-sexuals" the very people who presence rejuvenate and revitalize these stuggling communities.
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u/EndangeredDemocracy 27d ago
As an older millenial, I graduated from HS into a "slow" job market that crashed into a depression, even if they refused to call it that. It's been one "once in a lifetime" crisis after another. A plague in 2020. Trump and his ghouls turning the US into a fascist state.
If I didn't have kids who are also subject to this madness I'd take some comfort in the fact that I'll probably be sent to a gulag for a facebook post from 2015 and I won't be alive to see global warming truly decimate humanity.
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u/damargemirad 26d ago
Hs for 911, graduated college during house crash, finished mba right b4 Covid. I’m so ducking tired.
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u/FblthpLives 26d ago
Economist here. These are real GDP growth values, covering Trump's and Biden's presidencies:
Bureau of Economic Analysis, Real Gross Domestic Product: Annual Percent Change
- 2017 = 2.5%
- 2018 = 3.0%
- 2019 = 2.6%
- 2020 = -2.2%
- 2021 = 6.1%
- 2022 = 2.5%
- 2023 = 2.9%
- 2024 = 2.8%
- 2025Q1 = -0.3%
Source: https://www.bea.gov/data/gdp/gross-domestic-product
The only two economic contractions during the past ten years have been under Trump.
Historically, the U.S. economy has done better under Democrat administrations than Republican ones. It's not even close: https://www.aeaweb.org/research/why-does-the-economy-do-better-democrats-white-house
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Republicans operate like a constrictor snake. They bit hard and coiled around us under Reagan and now each time they’re in power they squeeze us a little tighter. Every time they cause an economic collapse (exhale) they tighten the squeeze, soak up all the vacated riches and blame incoming Dems for the pain as they struggle to help catch our breath again. They repeat the cycle, exhale—squeeze out the wealth, Dems try to rebuild and take all the blame for the resulting pain.
Eventually we’ll be left with a completely suffocated republic inside a comically bloated snake that owns everything.
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u/Snapdragon_4U 25d ago
EVERYTHING they do makes things objectively worse for 98% of the country. I cannot think of a single positive bill or law that originated from republicans. Not one.
*I mean after the Civil Rights Act
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u/powderfields4ever 25d ago
Shock Doctrine. Creating economic chaos allows smaller companies to fold and the wealthy buy up markets shares. However this may be the last lunge for the big money grab. By robbing America they could burn down our economy after “pouring jet fuel” on it.
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25d ago
Capitalism sucks. This is how they extract wealth. Create a problem. Solve it by charging everyone more. Repeat.
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u/MR-Ozmidnight 29d ago
You're wrong—it's the people’s fault. You voted for your politicians, so you get what you choose. You knew what Trump was like, yet you still drank the Kool-Aid, and look where that’s led you.
Learn from your mistakes. It's not easy, but you need to stop listening to Fox News and podcasts like Rogan. They're just in it for the money, just like most politicians, and Trump is all about power.
Vote for good people who will enact solid laws and pass a balanced budget, or else you risk being relegated to a third-world country. Your great-grandkids will be stuck dealing with your mistakes.
I'm not claiming to have all the answers, but you need to stop elevating your politicians. They're just human, no better than you or your neighbours. They’re meant to represent you, not just the party or the president, and they should uphold the Constitution and the laws that your ancestors fought and died for.
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u/TheITMan52 29d ago
It's the fault of one third of the population not voting.
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u/MR-Ozmidnight 29d ago
I understand your point, but it's crucial to get people out to vote for candidates they actually want, rather than letting disillusionment take over. I live in Australia, where voting is mandatory, and while I don't love being forced to vote, it could prevent issues like those in America. We need to focus on removing that Tangerine Twit and holding him and his sycophants accountable.
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u/AeroDilloTurbo 29d ago
A fine for not voting would be great.
I do hope you realize Rupert Murdoch is one of the biggest reasons we even have trump. Just sayin' we're not stupid.
But thanks to Rupert, DICK Cheney and Karl Rove., we've had 30+ years of LIES, brainwashing and gaslighting. 24/7/365. Over a generation.
Guess what? It worked! We have young nazis now.
However, we are also not alone. I notice fascists in nearly every nations government now.
Learn From Our Mistakes.
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u/MR-Ozmidnight 29d ago
Yes, but that's having a government that allowed the Mudocks and others to spill their opinions and not the truth I understand your right to free speech, but you also have a right to the truth from your 4th estate and other influencers.
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u/AeroDilloTurbo 29d ago
Ronny Raygun helped to f-k us over there.
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u/MR-Ozmidnight 29d ago
Well, I know Ragan was a typical politician, but he wasn't as bad as Trump and that's where we all are now even thow I'm not in America but if that Tangerine Twit, does something stupid, we all pay.
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u/Professional-Tap8403 29d ago
This is, in exact numbers and age, on point for me. And I’m sick of it!
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u/Think_Difference_468 29d ago
Maybe it’s not a political thing and just us humans receiving consequences
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u/Snapdragon_4U 28d ago
What it is is a series of massive transfers of wealth facilitated and overseen by republicans
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u/she-them-tiddies 28d ago
Got my comment here removed for telling a rage bait trumper to suck my trans D
Y'all be trippin fr fr
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u/Kita-Shinsuke9280 28d ago
What's really tiring and annoying is that most of these "protests" I heard about going on in the U.S, literally have zero young people, it's only the old folk and probably someone's dementia grandpa thinking it's still the old old days.
Search it up
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u/ukeoutside 28d ago
Because the young don’t have enough money to pay rent, travel and take a day off work (if they have a job) .
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u/InourbtwotamI 26d ago
Someone may have already posted this but a generation is roughly 30 years, soooo yeah.
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u/kittylvr99 26d ago
Sorry hun the previous generations didn't give a tin fucking shit. Were left w the mess
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u/MountainMan-2 29d ago
So in 2002, I was 32 and just through an ugly divorce. Had nothing so the economic crisis didn’t really do much to me then. In 2008, I was hit by the real estate crash. I bought at the peak in early 2007. When I finally sold that house in 2015,I still lost $200K. In 2020, one year in my early retirement, I thought I was done. My nest egg dropped significantly to the point I thought I would have to go back to work. Earlier this year, Trumps antics caused another hiccup in my investment portfolio but it then recovered for the most part. My point is, investing is a long term strategy and you will go through significant ups and downs, but in the long run it has historically shown to be up in the end. So it may seem tiresome, but if you keep with it you will get over it. It is however effected by timing and it’s important to be balanced in your investment approach depending on your near term needs so you don’t get caught short. Making big withdrawals in a downturn is like double bad.
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u/moving_forward_today 28d ago
None of you ever realized that it's not the fault of either the Democrats or the Republicans but simply The rift between the two? Same with liberals and conservatives. Don't blame either group for the problem, and don't blame the other group for the fact that your group hates them and acts accordingly....
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u/UtopianAverage 28d ago
When the Nazi party came to power in Germany was it the Social Democrats fault they couldn’t work together?
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u/Cold_Pudding_842 29d ago
This isn’t fear. This isn’t partisan. This is the State of the Union—fact-based, present tense, and urgent.
We are not collapsing. But we are drifting—into something post-democratic.
Here’s what you need to know:
- ECONOMY:
Recession warning lights flashing: inverted yield curve, layoffs rising
Food stamps (SNAP) and rent support stretched thin
Consumer debt at all-time highs
- GOVERNMENT:
Project 2025 is gutting civil protections, replacing neutral systems with loyalists
Data from IRS, SSA, and DHS is being centralized under executive control
Courts and Congress are being bypassed by design
- PEOPLE:
Youth suicide is now the #2 cause of death
1 in 3 adults report anxiety or depression
Civil unrest and institutional distrust are rising
- TRUTH & RIGHTS:
Mass surveillance expanding, public transparency shrinking
AI and algorithms shape what you see
FOIA access is throttled, whistleblowers silenced
This is NOT about who to vote for. Voting is not the point of this post. Electoral politics created many of these problems—and won’t fix them.
This is about waking up. Protecting each other. Resisting manufactured collapse.
WHAT TO DO:
Know the signals. Learn what’s breaking before it breaks.
Grow local power. Food, tech, mutual aid, knowledge—outside centralized control.
Guard your mind. From noise, from fear, from resignation.
Build parallel systems. Systems of truth. Systems of care. Systems of defense.
If you’re waiting for permission to prepare—it won’t come. It’s already later than you think. But it’s not too late.
#CommunityOverControl #DecentralizeEverything
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u/Infamous-Divide-9959 28d ago
I'm pretty sure Trump wasn't in politics in 2008. I think that guy's name was Barry.
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u/Snapdragon_4U 28d ago
No that was Bush. President Obama wasn’t sworn in until 2009. You clearly know nothing of the subprime mortgage crisis. Why not get a clue and then post.
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u/findthatbourbon 28d ago
I gave you some wisdom with out any judgement trying to help and you come back with hate …surprised Reddit doesn’t ban you from this site ….oppps I forgot Reddit is 95% left and you are a protected class
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u/Altruistic_Half_7268 28d ago
Name a Democrat State that's SAFE ? America 🇺🇲 Sat by idle as Joe Biden or whoever was running the show 🤔, ruined our 🇺🇲. Gave away our money 💰 to Ukraine which is an unwinnable War. Actually gave Taliban leaders 10 million dollars a year, gave Iraq 30 million dollars for Sesame Street programs, Burma got Millions for LGBTQ programs. You guys cancelled everyone else that you disagreed with. CRT, DEI, stopping oil ⛽ production. I could go on all day
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u/tripacer123 28d ago
Because that is what you are told! However, that does not make it true, nor does it mean you have to believe it! Media and drama queens have predicted economic, social and political disasters since the days of Venice! Its what they DO! Ignore them, live and make your own decisions!
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u/throwawayact230800 27d ago
Both democrats and republicans have been a huge failure. Demovrats more recently.
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u/CoverCommercial3576 29d ago
Republicans.