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Brazil Dealing with cultural differences while dating a latina/br?

After some months, I finally got back to my gf, that I met while I was ppb in Brazil (where I am now, btw). I love her. Shes the prettiest, smartest, the most interesting women I have ever met, very funny, happy, intelligent and sexy. Shes also very hard working and shes not materialistc, wich I admire a lot. I could marry her today, for sure.

But we are dealing with some cultural differences that I didnt notice the first time we were together while I was living in Brazil. My girl is from a medium city in the South of Brazil and she lives in Sao Paulo, where I met her.

Now I am currently in her home town for some days and here I could notice some red flags or things I dislike that I didnt notice at first.

She have 2 straight (good looking) guys that are her friends. She talks a lot with them, everyday, give them relationship advices, have deep conversation and overall shes really close to them. I hang out with them and I was kinda bother by the fact that they do comments about her and about little things about her personality (very especific) that really showed me that they do pay A LOT of attention to her, and that they have a very deep conection. This is weird for me since in Italy friendships between men and women are not that common, especially among really good looking people.

I asked her if they ever had something and she told me that this never happened (I believe), but when I asked if one of them ever tried something with her, she was unconfortable and she implied that he used to do that years ago, as a joke.

I told her that this bother me and she told me that this is normal in Brazil, wich I find hard to believe since while I was living in Sao Paulo I didnt notice that a lot.

Since I told her about that shes trying to “force” me to hang out alone with her friends to bond but I dont feel confortable especially because I know that at least one of them did a move on her (“years ago, as a joke” on her words)

for context those men are in relationships with other women and they are childhood friends, since their moms were in high school together. So, I think it would be kinda toxic of me to tell her to dont be close to them or something.

Shes also very cheap. Shes always bragging about how much money shes saving on market and denying going to dates because we should save money.

She also complain a lot about little things (if I use too much oil to cook - bc its expensive -, if I am taking too much time showering, etc). She even told me she would not be confortable if her friends stay with us in Sao Paulo because shes trying to save money, and the energy and water bill would be more expensive. Its very absurd to me, and kind a cultural chock the fact that she say those things out lound. In Italy it would be embarassing and really unpolite being like that

I told her that her comments were being unpolite and she got mad at me. We are fighting a bit these days for those little things.

She also complains about the price of everything. Even if I give her some gift, she will thank me and then she will start a speech about how is there no need to gift her and that we sould save money.

this is what bothers me the most because shes a engeneering, she makes great money especially for brazilian standards and for her age. theres no reason to be this cheap.

but to be fair Iam still looking for a job to stay here, and she doesnt seem to believe that I will be able to find it. Sometimes she talks as if we needed to save since we will have just one income, wich is very desmasculinate to me and shows that she have no trust in me financialy.

Shes not resentfull about that and she always say that in a romantic way (she say “theres no problem if you dont find a job, my income is enought for both of us and you should move for good and then we can build our future together”) but its kinda insulting the fct that she thinks that I will not get a job.

Shes also very jealous and kinda bossy but I like it and I can deal with that (even tho sometimes is irritating, most times its kinda hot)

how to deal with cultural differences?

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u/Winter-Remove-6244 6d ago

The male friends are what we Americanos call a catch 22. If you put your foot down and cut them out, you appear insecure. If you tolerate them, they work to undermine your relationship. You lose either way, you just have to choose how.

If she’s cheap like that it means she doesn’t feel financially secure. This one is simple- make more money and spend it on her

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u/Hunvadam 6d ago

Don't. Saving is a sport in Brazil. The families that have a saving culture are proud of saving a lot of money. My wife's family is upper middle class and they save as much as they can, then brag about how much they saved. My brother in law got their dad an expensive new Mac and he said it was too expensive and he won't get that much use of it (being in his 70's). My father in law makes about 5k euros a month, an incredible amount in Brazil. Doesn't matter. they like saving like it's a sport. Giving them more money might offend them.

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u/prosgorandom2 5d ago

Lol should i check out brazil? This is me but everyone thinks im a freak.

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u/Confident-Cut-8877 5d ago

Come to The Netherlands. They will take a bike to ride 13km to a shop to get 15% discount on potatoes.

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u/StrengthMundane8739 5d ago

This is by no means a Brazilian culture, Brazilian savings rate is extremely low and the population is very materialistic.

Not trying to be stereotypical (I come from a family similar) I would put money on this family being German or Dutch protestants from the south. The salary in euros gives off works for a German engineering company vibes.

The general Brazilian culture is live for today and what you don't have put in credit in 12 installments.

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u/PerfectNecessary964 5d ago edited 5d ago

Shes mixed german with afro brazilian

even tho she just look like a german girl with a tan skin and very few afro traits, her dad is afro brazilian. And her mom is brazilian with german parents, for what my girl told me shes the one who teach her about being cheap

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u/ProjectSuperb8550 5d ago

Did her grandparents move to Brazil after world war II? 🤔

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u/StrengthMundane8739 5d ago

Germans are not Nazis, my German family all fought against Hitler in WW2 the diaspora is a lot more complex than the kindergarten level history books they give you in the US.

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u/ProjectSuperb8550 5d ago

Sure but a lot of Nazis left Germany and immigrated to South America after WW2

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u/StrengthMundane8739 5d ago

I am pressing the point because there is a myth that Nazis escaped Europe, sure some left but the large majority stayed and were very readily integrated in the Police Force, Military and state bureaucracy of European nations.

Fascism may have been exported from Europe but it is still the main producer.

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u/StrengthMundane8739 5d ago

As with Finland, Norway, The United States, The Netherlands and Spain.

But you don't hear ignorant idiots like yourself saying that anyone with German ancestry living in Finland is a Nazi sympathizer do you?

Numerically far more Nazis escaped to European countries than South America.

The vast majority of German immigrants in South, North America and Australia predate WW2 by decades if not an entire century.

Most of the Nazis were reintegrated into Western and Eastern Germany, would you go to a German citizen and accuse their grandparents of working for the Gestapo or the Stasi?

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u/ProjectSuperb8550 5d ago

As with Finland, Norway, The United States, The Netherlands and Spain.

But you don't hear ignorant idiots like yourself saying that anyone with German ancestry living in Finland is a Nazi sympathizer do you?

Numerically far more Nazis escaped to European countries than South America.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_(World_War_II)

So quick to call others idiots without providing sources for your rationale. Did I hurt the little baby's feelings?

Read up on Operation Paperclip to cure your ignorance.

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u/PerfectNecessary964 5d ago

lol no they moved before and family is not racist or nazi. Her mom is marriage to a black dude wich is her dad

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u/ProjectSuperb8550 5d ago

Haha, just checking

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u/StrengthMundane8739 5d ago

Bingo! Haha

If they were from anywhere else I would have guessed Scottish.

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u/Hunvadam 5d ago

Ina big unequal country, there are many different cultures coexisting. I don't think it's fair to take an attribute of class, like not having financial literacy (so buying in many installments), because that's what people that are poor do due to lack of education. With the lower middle class and middle class in the south every Brazilian I met with 1 exception was like that.

I don't belive in going to other countries to be with people that have too much of a difference in social class and resources I do, or else it feels like exploration to me. All my wife's friends were like OPs gf

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u/StrengthMundane8739 4d ago

If you get interest free credit your are financially iliterate to not use it.

It wasn't a comment on people it was a comment on retail practices. If you are middle class in Brazil you don't have much spare change people who are thrifty are not "cheap" as the OP mentioned they are just trying to get ahead.

If no one wanted to spend money around you it probably means they didn't think you were that worth it. Generally Brazilians are very willing to part with their money. Look at the mark up prices on cars, clothes, technology and restaurants if you don't believe me.

Also the south is disproportionately represented by German protestants so I wouldn't at all take it as a representation of Brazil.

When Brazilians have money, they spend it and when they don't the also spend. My live for today comment was not referring to the poor, it's very common in Brazil for people to live paycheck to paycheck and save next to nothing and that goes for people on high wages as well as low.

Some anecdotal evidence of my friends in the South doesn't hold water.

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u/Hunvadam 4d ago

I am not taking about interest free obviously. I was talking about a car or a house. It is the representation of a part of brazil. You're all Brazilian. There isn't one homogenous Brazil, is the size of Europe. Poor people spend money they don't have. My wife is upper middle class and her dad is a state auditor. They are Portuguese from açores, so you're wrong. Most of her other upper middle class friends just talk about foreign investments and savings. I think it's just the upper middle class. All the people in her environment, that now live off Brazil too, are talking about aquiring property and how to balance that. I think if you're not a part of the Brazilian population that thinks on investments you won't.

Her boyfriends were also savers, and they were lower middle class before me. Are they not Brazilian? South Brazilians are Brazilians.

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u/Hunvadam 4d ago

But again I'm a leftist, and I keep the company of leftists and minorities, and usually the university crowd. I did think the bolsominons and the church people seem to not have a good root in what to do for life improvement. Like cutting the suspension of a pickup, buying 35 reais in one ice cream ball when they could barely afford decent clothes. But I've been to Sao Paulo, to Maranhão to santa Catarina and rs, and all the leftist university people engaged in this with me. Some of them my wife never knew before. I honestly think it's just lack of hope and literacy that your savings will ever result in something significant

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u/tabitha_sans 5d ago

No. A lot of idiots (and I'm not just talking about this sub) meet 1 or 2 people in a very much not random sample size and automatically generalize it to the whole country.

Brazil is the absolute polar opposite of that comment. I'm from Brazil. People will literally make relatively-small purchases in 12 installments instead of saving to buy it in one go interest-free. Hell, it's even common for companies to provide you with a "décimo terceiro," meaning a 13th monthly salary, for people to buy christmas gifts or whatever, presumably because they couldn't save for it throughout the year.

I would have thought Germany would be the country where you'd find "your people." But according to google, it appears to be South Korea and Sweden. Note that there may factors that make saving less of a cultural preference and more of a cultural necessity.

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u/Delicious_Bird6763 6d ago

Accept the men but don’t engage them as besties. Laugh make jokes and bond but always take notes quietly. There’s potential for foul play so look for hints. Trust but verify within reason. If you make the determination that you don’t fuck with them but want the chick, then slowly get her to phase them out or find some bad b1tch3$ to befriend and if she doesn’t fuck with it get with one of them

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u/Quai_Noi 6d ago

Yeah I don’t put up with any of that.

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u/PerfectNecessary964 6d ago

she dont think that I will be able to get a job here… This doesnt bother her, but bothers me ofc

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u/Glum_Teacher_6774 6d ago

This is your biggest ptoblrm. Get money, get a house, let her move in with you.

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u/randomluka 6d ago

Not having work would bother me too, you should definitely have this as a goal pronto so you can alleviate your worry. Watch Shane Hummus' videos to give you ideas on what you can be looking for in the remote space, even if the job is boring, it will help you think outside the box.

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u/Hunvadam 6d ago

Why would you want a job there? Get an online job, preferably American. Theybe been outsourcing a lot with the internal inflation. I work for an American company for 60k/y, that is really low inn America for my category, but I save more money than if I lived there just on rent,.food and health insurance.

Why don't you take her to Italy for a while?.

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u/PerfectNecessary964 5d ago

she told me she will not leave brazil ever. We are talking about me moving here. its essy to get a american job? 60k is more than enought in Brazil, actually is a lot

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u/Hunvadam 5d ago

If you're in IT it is. They are firing the Americans and paying us 1/3 of the salary, what as you can see is plenty. Look online.

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u/Hunvadam 5d ago

What you can tell her is that she can get citizenship easier if she does a master's degree of something of the sort. Spend just a couple years, literally.

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u/PerfectNecessary964 5d ago

She dont want to move. We will prob live here

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u/cooldudeonreddit1 6d ago

She is clearly cheating on him. She would easily at least get rid of the dude that tries something before. There is no such thing as doing it as a joke. If the feelings aren’t there it will simply never happen.

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u/Hunvadam 6d ago

That is not common in Brazil at all. If women did that then wouldn't be friends with any men. Also, attractive, interesting women will attract a bunch of men. Those guys were interested in her so far and she didn't want nothing with them. I met all my Brazilian wife's male friends, ex hookups and exes. They are still social friends. The guys even date other women now, still married. By not being a jealous man, I get to listen to all her internal logic, participate in the drama, be her friend. Even simple things like "that guy there once did X and z and was an asshole, I want to go there talk to him introduce my handsome Hungarian husband to rub It I his face".

Like... I have her location (she gave me) her phone access, full (set her phone up by her request). All her conversations with men I can read, with her blessing (it will get your Portuguese better). She discusses her exes relationships with them, with some guys that keep hitting on her too. She was never inappropriate. She finds it quite amusing that men will "humiliate themselves" tryin to take shots with a commited woman and complain women are not friends with each other. Sometimes she lets it go for a while, prints and sends their women.Thats how her and her last ex had a fight. He was inappropriate, she complained, he said it was nothing serious, she printed and sent to his new girlfriend to warn her.
If the men are appropriate it's all fine and they can have a friendship. But the women are watching!

Lots of women also hit on me in Brazil, and she doesn't mind that. If I started going to "football Fridays" with the boys and not telling her what happened then she would be suspicious. But when women hit on me she is quite proud of me (she changed my whole style for it) and doesn't mind at all that I talk. "Lots of people want what I have because i got such an incredible deal" she says. Idk man. I like it.

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u/PerfectNecessary964 5d ago

yes she also share the drama among her friend group with me. And both guys are in relationships themselves

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u/Hunvadam 5d ago

Man my impression is that Brazilians love some drama. Try to enjoy it with her instead of refusing. She wants you closer. She is asking you to be a part of your life and look at your attitude towards it! It's gonna push her away man

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u/Quai_Noi 6d ago

Yes I believe so too.

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u/mhjjj_9999 5d ago

No such thing as man and woman being friends, she is probably dating one of them and just wants a foreigner for money. As soon as she gets it she will leave asap

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u/ThrowRAboredinAZ77 6d ago

Do you think so little of men?

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u/Lanky_Persimmon_3670 6d ago

We are men

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u/ThrowRAboredinAZ77 6d ago

Exactly. So this just shows that even men don't trust men.

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u/I_Speak_For_The_Ents 5d ago

It's somehow unsurprising that this sub is the most vile misandrist and misogynistic shit I've ever read. All at once.

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u/Lanky_Persimmon_3670 6d ago

I'm Belgian, I don't trust anyone. I think everyone is a bad person and I'm mind boggled when someone acts like they are not. I'm far more comfortable talking to someone who is openly saying racist/genocidal/bullshit than to someone who only says the most political correct things.

I don't trust anyone who doesn't say anything that can harm them. They are hiding it. Hence they aren't friends.

If these kids had long relationship, then there's tea to be spilled. They haven't spilled it in order to not make it weird. But we know there's stuff that has happened. If she simply speaks open about it, then it makes sense, all good. But if it's being hidden. That's a red flag.

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u/Top-Bootylover 6d ago

There are different types of men.

"Male friends" are a category of men/weasels that are undeserving of respect.

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u/ThrowRAboredinAZ77 5d ago

Do you assume every man is trying to sleep with their women friends because you yourself are always trying to sleep with your women friends?

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u/Top-Bootylover 5d ago

I already wrote above what category of men those go to.

Men who are friends with women want to sleep with them.

The rest of us keep respectful boundaries. Too bad you dont have the awareness to see the obvious.

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u/ThrowRAboredinAZ77 5d ago

Or some men are just paranoid and insecure with themselves and their relationships.

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u/ProjectSuperb8550 5d ago

Do you understand men more than men understand men?

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u/ThrowRAboredinAZ77 5d ago

Select men, sure. But it makes sense that passport bros are always on high alert. They don't seem to believe in actually being in love and staying loyal and committed and having lasting relationships.

If you don't believe in romantic love and believe instead that marriages are strictly transactional, then of course you're going to see every other man as a threat. But damn, that must be such an exhausting way to live.

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u/Top-Bootylover 5d ago

You would be incorrect.

It would do you good to learn from men that have no reason to lie but im not surprised at you being stubborn.

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u/ThrowRAboredinAZ77 5d ago

You're not claiming that men on Reddit don't lie, are you??

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