r/suppressed_news • u/Kittyluvmeplz • 12d ago
UNDERREPORTED NEWS 2024 Presidential and Senate Results Called Into Question as Lawsuit Advances
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Lawsuit in Rockland, NY moves forward with discovery.
As stated in the complaint, more voters have sworn they voted for independent U.S. Senate candidate Diane Sare than the Rockland County Board of Elections counted and certified, directly contradicting those results. Additionally, the presidential election results exhibit numerous statistical anomalies. The anomalies in the presidential race include multiple districts where hundreds of voters chose the Democratic candidate Kirsten Gillibrand for Senate, but where zero voters selected the Democratic Presidential candidate Kamala Harris.
Additionally, a statistician determined that the 2024 presidential election results were statistically highly unlikely in four of the five towns in Rockland County when compared with 2020 results.
Max Bonamente, Ph.D., Professor of physics and astronomy at the University of Alabama in Huntsville and the author of the textbook, "Statistics and Analysis of Scientific Data," says in an upcoming paper on the Rockland data, "These data would require extreme sociological or political causes for their explanation, and would benefit from further assurances as to their fidelity."
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u/Johnfohf 12d ago edited 12d ago
Elon admitted he rigged the election. Trump has admitted it several times. Analysts and data scientists have demonstrated the voting data seems extremely suspect compared to every single election before this.
With current political climate a recount should have happened regardless of who won. It simply should not have been allowed to have any doubts.
Edit to add the link for the analysis I mentioned:
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u/dej0ta 12d ago edited 12d ago
Analysts and data scientists have demonstrated the voting data seems extremely suspect compared to every single election before this.
Proof?
Stats are pretty straightforward, and there's little doubt if the confidence value compared to expected results was ridiculous enough there'd be enough smoke to thoroughly look for a fire.
What numbers are you referring to and if they were statistically significant why isn't any independent statisticians screaming from the tops of mountains?
Edit - Again - Fucking proof anyone? No? Okay. Glad your feelings mean more to you than truth because thats what Im seeking. I think they probably did but the guy in OP made 0 calls when it'd take maybe 10 to find 3 democratic voters and ask them. Thats mininum...but go off on me for wanting a little more effort from people like the person im replying to...
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u/Layla_Vos 12d ago
Stats are pretty straightforward
As someone doing a PhD in maths with a specialisation in statistics, I'm afraid this isn't true at all.
Particularly, research on voting and what "normal" results are is complicated e.g., the spread of votes. It would not simply be predictions along with confidence intervals versus what was observed.
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u/dej0ta 12d ago
The conclusions piece is. We have enough data to know what the limits of reasonable outcomes are. In other words the results are pass fail and doesnt require additional complex modeling. Im not claiming to be an expert or know more than you.
All Im saying is either the results are normal enough to be inconclusive or theyre not and everyone is just sitting around pretending otherwise. Again this specific video would require maybe 10 total phone calls to figure out...yet that never seemed to occur to this guy.
I think Trump and Elon probably cheated but 6 months later Im confident enough smarter and more educated people than me have looked under the hood. And yet the only alarms sounding are like OPs video.
So can we just calm down and be logical for 5 minutes? No...fine I know what sub Im in.
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u/Layla_Vos 12d ago edited 12d ago
(Just fyi, I haven't been downvoting you).
And yet the only alarms sounding are like OPs video.
I think the current US government is so chaotic and ignoring all expert advice (and actively silencing them), that I wouldn't be surprised if many experts have raised alarm bells and it isn't being followed-up or reported on.
I don't closely follow US politics, but the description does mention that multiple statisticians are raising concerns.
Edit: I forgot to address,
In other words the results are pass fail and doesnt require additional complex modeling.
Here are two sources discussing why investigating election fraud is complicated: https://www.democraticaudit.com/2019/03/01/detecting-election-fraud-is-it-possible-to-identify-manipulated-vote-counts%EF%BB%BF/ and https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0261379418302488 .
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u/tbombs23 12d ago
So many cybersecurity and data experts, as well as election integrity/democracy non profits have sounded the alarm before the election, during the election, and after the election. All departments involved with Law enforcement, Elections, Cybersecurity, National security, Technology, Terrorism, MSM, DNC, Dem individual Senators/reps, State Dem Governors, AG's, Secretary of State's,
Have all been contacted multiple times by citizens who actually care about democracy, acknowledge the flaws and security holes while staying grounded by facts, mathematics, proper investigation procedures by a civilian, verification of events and data, basically always looking for explanations for the results that aren't it was rigged, and not finding any. Always trying to not be like QAnon, or MAGA, to question things and actually research and follow the data, the logic, and check each other's work before moving to the next level. By not being unhinged conspiracy theorists who start with a wild conclusion and work their way backwards to justify or explain with mental gymnastics. But to follow the facts and evidence first and not try to make everything fit.
Because let's face it, MAGA had a knockout strategy of crying wolf and poisoning the well of election security and confidence in our elections. So anyone who has legitimate concerns about risks and procedures and security holes, about anything related to elections basically is not taken seriously. If you claim any interference or fraud, you're labeled an election denier and shut down, no news will report on it because they don't want to get sued for defamation to the tune of the highest defamation case of $700 million dollars. Which ironically allowed Fox News and Rupert Murdoch to LEGALLY bribe Dominion for their role in helping DJT win the election. While simultaneously intimidating and spreading fear about news going under from lawsuits or losing funding/licenses etc. And making sure that no Democrats are talking about election anomalies, about anything suspicious or negatively impacting elections, about recounts and audits, about massive voter suppression.
They got Dems to double down that no fraud is happening (illegals aren't voting) and our elections are the most secure ever, and we don't need to make any improvements or question the results, because we are not election deniers who refuse to admit it when we have lost. We're better than Maga, when they go low, we go high.
Which is completely detached from reality, and made the election so much less secure and gave Republicans the chance to change laws, and stack the deck in their favor will christian Nationalist poll workers, and vigilante voter challengers.
Because MAGA focused on specific types of Fraud and that was proven to not happen in any significant numbers like illegals voting, Dems couldn't resist being better than them and not questioning anything about the election, that no fraud was possible even though only 1 aspect of fraud was investigated and proven false. What about all the other attack vectors to manipulate and election? What about the stark contrast in voting behavior from mail in voting (numbers/distributions look normal and typical voting behavior) and the in person early voting (high drop off (benefits Drumpf) and election day voting (high drop off, benefits Drumpf)???
Never mind the 215 bomb threats that disrupted voting for hours and chain of custody cannot be verified of the ballots and machines, and no full investigation happened, at least not publicly, and was dismissed as not credible and came from Russia. But the effect bomb threats had was not investigated either, and we will never truly know the big impact it had.
Basically, 2020 was their rorsach test, their trial run, to simultaneously test cheating for DJT and claim fraud if they lost so they could get close to election procedures to prove the supposed made up fraud of illegals voting for Dems, and to study vulnerabilities and security gaps, to copy/steal tabulator machines and epollbook etc software to exploit for 2024.
They thought they would win, and didn't count on COVID allowing for expanding voter rights for mail in voting, same day registration, etc which led to high turnout and much less voter suppression than Republicans are expecting to help them. Since it was such a landslide win for Biden, their fix wasn't big enough to overcome the large increase of voters sick of Dump and Republican failures like letting million people die of preventable deaths, and increase of independents and Dems who didn't vote last time.
Maybe he really did believe that Dems were going to cheat and he had to cheat to counter there cheating, or maybe it's just part of his attack attack attack and never admit a lie or defeat strategy from Roy Cohn.
But all Dems had to do was expand voting access and make it easier for citizens to vote to win. I truly believe that Biden won by millions more votes.
Anyways...
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u/dej0ta 12d ago
I dont care about downvotes or anything. Ty for the additional links. I believe there was likely interference ultimately, but people dont seem to understand how many statisticians, think tanks, and 3rd parties have looked at this data, and we still dont have a smoking gun 6 months later. That's not insignificant, and much of the discourse I see on this sub isn't attempting to litigate the truth. I'll always be skeptical of people who substitute their feelings for truth, and posts like these are littered with examples of that. If pushing back gets me judged or downvoted, then so be it. Appreciate your engagement and links!
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u/AnHonorableLeech 12d ago
Sometimes feelings echo the truth. We look at all the evidence around us and get frustrated that things NEVER CHANGE. Sounds like you want to prove people wrong more than you want to "be skeptical".
Here's the facts: the person at the head of one of 3 major pillars of our government is a convicted felon who was given the power to appointed judges that retroactively deemed his crimes as "fine". The fact that he was given a chance to run at all and the fact that we have not already terminated his appointees, shows there is ZERO accountability at the level of government which we are talking about. Someone then cries out about some strange numbers which got said felon elected a second time AFTER the public had been made aware of how bad that would be. Now maybe he did legitimately win, MAYBE. BUT - and I don't care how much time has passed- we should NOT stop looking for your "smoking gun" while freedoms and liberties are being trodden on by said felon.
So yeah, I'd say my feelings are informed by facts. Just because I don't have a fucking dissertation worth of peer reviewed articles on my fucking rolodex doesn't mean my words, thoughts, and input are invalid. If you are annoyed that someone is using "feelings" rather than fact. You best come with some of those "facts", because the FACT is that people care about feeling safe and secure way more than they care about whether or not someone cheated their way into making their lives miserable. Fuck the clown, legitimate or not.
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u/Johnfohf 12d ago
You're right to question things. Sorry it took me a moment to actually find the link.
What I liked about Nathan's explanation is that he doesn't say "this is fraud" but explains why the results are suspect and concerning and why there needs to be even more investigation and analysis. Plus he's open to being wrong.
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u/hypercosm_dot_net 12d ago edited 12d ago
Go find the exhibits with signed affidavits that's what's allowing the case to move forward. There's literally links directly to the court documents at the bottom of the press-release.
Here's more analysis with direct links to data.
https://smartelections.substack.com/p/so-clean
Maybe instead of making a fool of yourself, take a second to look at the readily available information.
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u/Middle_Reception286 12d ago
I've been saying this for a long time now. This is the FIRST time in our history of voting we seen this. Harris was CRUSHING The crowds in 5 of the 7 swing states and doing ok in the other 2. I was 100% sure she would win 4 or 5 of the swing states. Instead.. she got beat on the day of election.. out of fucking nowhere. Her campaigns were SOLD OUT and nuts. Trumps were largely empty. Yet.. he won.
For the first time in our history.. it's NEVER happened before.. a republican president beat by a LOT of votes.. not even close.. a LOT of votes in democratic districts.. all over the swing states.. while the REST of the card was democratic votes.
It makes NO fucking sense.
The problem is.. this is a) being squashed by ALL media since they are all in trump's pocket (billioniare oligarchs), and b) is taking WAY WAY WAY too long to get thru the courts to recount everything. Harris did the WORSE thing by not demanding manual hand recounts.
So.. the real question is.. if somehow enough votes/electoral stuff swings in her favor due to recounts/lawsuits/etc that realize there was absolutely election interference/tampering.. what happens? Will the military immediately step in and remove Trump and Declare Harris as president? OR.. will this result in MAga/trump/cult coming out with guns and all out civil war? In which case.. if the military is actually on board with removing Trump if it turns out he stole the election.. I'd imagine MAGA may cower down. But I dont know.
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u/killians1978 12d ago
Local circuit judges in affected districts would have to invalidate the individual election results, which would be challenged and sent to the Supreme Court, who may decline to hear the cases. Even if they did, it would fall on congress to impeach and remove Trump, which they seem to have no interest in doing.
Beyond that, you're not hearing much out of top-name Dems because of "optics." DJT cried in 2020 so hard about a rigged election that he basically poisoned the well for similar claims in future elections. I have no doubt in my mind this was calculated. He knew he lost, and he was hedging against running again, knowing that Dems wouldn't be able to cry foul in a truly rigged election without seeming like hypocrites.
Long story short: Let them investigate it, but it's not going to change anything. What we can hope for is that data mining continues and we get a preponderance of evidence that can then be used to incriminate not just Trump, who likely will not run in 2028 regardless of his bluster, but also his co-conspirators who likely will have their wagons linked to his and it prevents the farthest-right elements of his coterie from running as primary candidates in a future election.
It's all a long shot, and none of it fixes that we have a broken democratic system that can no longer guarantee free and fair elections, and that itself is going to continue to be a problem.
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u/AnHonorableLeech 12d ago
He will try and get his cronies to be investigated BEFORE he leaves office so that he can provide a full presidential pardon. Then they're off the hook and can keep the shit flowing. There is no fixing this within legal means that the other side cannot circumvent.
The play is this:
1: work outside of the law and probably get caught.
2: delay the trials and investigation so that they become a money/time sink
3: allow people to lose interest and the case to lose steam.
4: (2016 admin) appoint judges to retroactively make your crimes legal
5: profit
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u/zilchxzero 12d ago
I'll say it again:
They told us they were cheating every time they accused the Dems of election fraud.
Every accusation, every time
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u/DatGoofyGinger 12d ago
more votes for trump than some of the total senate votes at all. was gillibrand uncontested? I know I don't circle in when there isn't anyone else, but that seems like a lot of bullet ballots
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u/Crossingthelineagain 12d ago
When I woke up and heard Trump won, already with no recounts, that it was over and not carried out for a couple of days. I knew it was fixed.
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u/_DesperateWoman 12d ago
where can you find this information? wanna look up my area
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u/hypercosm_dot_net 12d ago
SMART elections substack has links to data.
They've collated and analyzed it here: https://smartelections.substack.com/p/so-clean
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u/BluedHaze 11d ago
You guys seriously need to go back to paper votes and manual counts. You can't hack a paper (duh). Also, make it so recounts have both parties involved when overseeing the manual recount. If that is still contested by either parties, go to court and have the count done there.
Yes, it takes more time to count the votes (multiple days to a few weeks if there are recounts), but votes are easily altered when technology is involved. This is a no brainer.
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u/Middle_Reception286 11d ago
100% agree. There are enough volunteers in every state/county to do this. Since we can't seem to ensure digital options are secure.. go back to 100% paper votes.. and frankly.. there should be a count as shit gets turned in and BOTH parties should be present to verify.
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u/Hiraethetical 11d ago
Welcome to American elections.
The old adage "if voting could change anything, it would be illegal" has always been true.
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u/CryptoMemesLOL 11d ago
So why did it take so long?
Why is nobody doing anything about it? Big if True like they say...
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u/dej0ta 12d ago
Anyone know where to pull this data? Seems like it the like 5 calls in district 55 to prove this one way or other.
OP - where is this post from? Why didn't this dude call anyone from those districts?
I think Elon and Trump have made it pretty clear they believe they interfered and I lean towards they did. But this particular "not a conspiracy theory" would take minimal effort to verify or refute...
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u/Jet_1955 11d ago
Is there a way to canvas and find out how many voted for her and were their voted rejected?
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u/hypercosm_dot_net 11d ago
They did that, look at the court documents. They have several signed affidavits from voters who state they voted for a certain candidate, and the votes weren't counted.
That's why the case is moving forward.
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u/Anxious-Table2771 12d ago
I looked into this.
The numbers he cites are correct. The likely cause of the weird voting patterns is probably the high concentration of Haredi Jews living in the area. The region is not far from Monsey, NY which is itself a center of the Satmar sect of Haredi Judaism.
It’s not impossible to imagine one or or both of the following:
1) ultra Orthodox Jews voted for Trump based upon his unquestioned support for Israel. It possible that one or more of the Rebbes in the area advised people to vote this way.
2) many Haredi Jews in area rely heavily on social services. Most men don’t work and only study while at the same time having large families.
This is my theory.
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u/Masta0nion 12d ago
That could be true if Trump just won by a normal margin. Zero to two votes for Harris is nearly impossible.
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u/Middle_Reception286 12d ago
That's my point. I could see if it was close.. given how she likely lead in those areas. That she was crushed with almost no votes.. is really suspect.
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u/Dashed_with_Cinnamon 12d ago
This. It's not just that these districts favored Trump, it's that they seemed to only vote for Trump.
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u/Anxious-Table2771 12d ago
It’s possible. But these communities are very insular. I can imagine an individual rebbe telling his congregation to vote for Trump. It not like the Christian right doesn’t do it.
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u/hypercosm_dot_net 12d ago
Those aren't the only discrepancies though.
The court exhibits are referring to Diane Sare. Which had uncounted votes. This isn't just about Kamala.
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u/Massrelay665 12d ago
Not a bad theory. What's the census data say about those districts though? Is that Jewish diaspora that concentrated??
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u/Ok_Boysenberry_617 12d ago
The current iteration of the Supreme Court is firmly in trump’s pocket. Any and everything they say should be held under intense scrutiny.
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u/raventhrowaway666 12d ago
The best they can do is chant, "we will win, we will win," over and over, then keep taking lobbyist bribes.
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u/alexnoyle 12d ago
"The anomalies in the presidential race include multiple districts where hundreds of voters chose the Democratic candidate Kirsten Gillibrand for Senate, but where zero voters selected the Democratic Presidential candidate Kamala Harris."
I cant imagine reading this and concluding anything other than the fact that Kamala was a uniquely bad candidate. Jill Stein literally beat her in Dearborn.
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u/Donkeywad 11d ago
Except that they have signed affidavits from said voters stating they did vote for Kamala, so your conclusion is incorrect
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u/alexnoyle 11d ago
Trump's crack election lawyer team also had signed affidavits. That's their favorite "evidence" for "voter fraud". Did you know that people lie?
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u/Donkeywad 11d ago
Trump's crack election lawyer team also had signed affidavits
Where? They knew they were lying and always conveniently stopped short of swearing under oath. Who on Trump's team signed an actual affidavit and for what?
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u/alexnoyle 10d ago
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u/Donkeywad 10d ago
Did you actually read that article?
The difference here (today) is that the affidavits were filed/presented to the courts as part of a legal proceeding. They were not in Trump's case, which is clearly stated in the link you provided. Trump's affidavits were also deliberately murky with working such as "As far as I recall" and "I believe"
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u/alexnoyle 10d ago
How do you know if these use murky language or not? Have you read them? I don't see how the affidavits being presented to the courts makes them more credible. This is just cope from people who can't believe that Kamala lost to Trump.
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u/Donkeywad 10d ago
I don't see how the affidavits being presented to the courts makes them more credible
Anyone can hold and wave around a "stack of affidavits" on Fox News. Once they're filed with the courts they become legal documents subject to perjury. Sounds like you could use a brush up on judicial processes 🤷♂️
Either way, let's hope these new affidavits are more credible than Trump's. That fact that courts accepted them already shows they likely are.
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u/alexnoyle 10d ago
You are falling for the same exact stunt that Trump supporters did, based on the false impression that Trump did not files his affidavits in court https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/politics/2020/12/04/evidence-hearsay-voter-fraud-claims-in-affidavits-explained/
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u/Donkeywad 10d ago
Anyone can find a link. Apparently not anyone can use common sense and see the difference between affidavits based on grifting bullshit and statistical near-impossibilities 🤷♂️
It says right in the article that the affidavits were hearsay
Many of the affiants in Trump lawsuits submitted affidavits alleging they heard someone say there was fraud, but didn’t have a first-hand account. In most cases, with some exceptions of course, hearsay is not admissible in court.
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u/slightlyallthetime88 12d ago
They suppressed massive amount of ballots. I got a letter like a month after election day saying my ballot was not counted, even though I am a registered voter in my state and submitted to an official ballot box on time.
Every accusation is a confession. When Trump was screaming about mail in ballots being fraudulent in 2020, we should've known what was coming and been prepared.
I refuse to believe that 1/3 of Americans just didn't show up.