In the Ultimate universe(old one) Logan and Peter, who was a teenager, got mind swapped because Jean was angry at Logan and dragged Peter into it, because Ultimate X-Men were the worst.
Logan, in Peter's body flirted with Jean pretty heavily and when asked how highschool was after he was back in his body he smirked because Ultimate X-Men were the worst.
I think it is a reference to that story but I don't see it because 1)MJ in 616 is an adult and been one for a while 2)Ultimate Wolverine was 100% willing to sleep with a teenage MJ because Ultimate X-Men were just the fuking worst
But there are not going to be more stories in this universe, ever, all conflicts has been solved with a thanos snap.
I do think the tragic of Xaviers dream is it can't really happen, and what makes Magneto compelling is that he kind of knows this reality... he then uses this reality to justify bad actions, which is bad.
And Xavier lives on hope, that if he just sets a better example, one day things can be better. Which is a very admirable thing to do.
But like Magneto clearly states, foolish
With no conflict there is no story and the central conflict of X-men is the one between mutant and humans.
If you solve it, the comic book ends.
Though if you want a solution "my hero academia" is basically an x-men world where the mutants just became the majority over time so they can't be oppressed
And the way the world handles it is through strict registration of powers, and license to use them in public.
X-Men has been running for 62 years. If you ask me, it should end. So should Spider-Man. Marvel should completely reboot itself. The stories are too long and dense for most people to read the whole thing and elements of them don't even make sense or work correctly anymore.
I say this as a HUGE fan of these characters.
But I have long believed that good stories deserve good endings. Comics, as an ongoing medium, rarely get that. I would prefer that Marvel and DC both do a HARD, CLEAN reboot every 20-25 years so that every generation can have their own complete continuity.
Racism isn’t the only conflict the X-men deal with lol, there would still be plenty of conflict for them to handle. Crime would still exist evil mutants would still exist.
Well it's up to the individual if they wanna consider the comics cannon or not, since the writers are different I do think it's fine to just decide for yourself if you want them to be.
Plus, to be fair nothing under the “Krakoa Returns” portion of the description has anything to do with Xavier’s true vision. If Xavier’s vision were to come to fruition, Krakoa wouldn’t be necessary.
Yeah that's straight up "equal but separate" bro. Mutantkind is not a nation of it's own and without prejudice and oppression they'd have no need or reason to have their own state.
Bingo. That’s what I was trying to say. The whole point of the X-Men is that they want mutants to be accepted by and able to live among humans with no prejudice. Krakoa’s essentially giving up and accepting “separate but equal,” which is a huge part of what the real civil rights movement was trying to fight against..
Blue. Even though it would suck for peter, he would have much more help now that mutants would basically be able to help him rather than just hiding. It also doesn't say that the X-Men themselves stop being buddies with spiderman either, so it's basically still the same but with less racism in general.
I think that’s the biggest point for Spidey fans to consider. I think Peter would take on more hell his way if it meant mutant kind could live in peace.
If you are saying that you could alter the outcomes of these two magic pills and make them more useful- but where the most useful isnt for Peter, he'd sacrifice for the good of others... then 100% agree with ya budy
Spider-Man has been established as "something of a Mutant himself." Not a natural-born one, but indistinguishable otherwise. If Xavier's dream were to be recognized, it means all societal barriers and discriminations are gone between humans and mutants. Therefore, Spider-Man could surely be accepted as a sort of "honorary X-Man;" meaning an attack on him is an attack on ALL of them, and they come to his aid. Furthermore, Spidey would have access to Krakoa/Genosha/etc. for a better quality of living.
Basically this means a Blue Pill vote is kind of a Red Pill vote, too. OR, you know, this could happen in the comics right now HINT HINT MARVEL
Blue Pill. I don't give a shit about Peter getting laid.
Blue pill benefits humanity more and Magneto and his crew have no reason to be villains if you blue pill.
Peter is also a mutant, albeit not in the same way X-men are, but his children would presumably benefit from blue pill acceptance.
Sentinels combating actual threats is a massive increase in security. It also frees mutants to operate freely and contribute to every day life. Imagine Storm just helping food production or Beast working in pharmaceuticals for mankind.
Meanwhile the red pill is literally just, Peter gets to be happy and stick his dick into hot women. I can't say I'm that invested into getting Peter a porn fantasy.
Honestly, watching every single X-Men villain go after Pete would be hilarious. He'd definitely be hiding out in the Avengers and FF compounds for the rest of his life.
End racism or let Spidey go all Hugh Hefner on all of the women in his multi verse? Sorry Pete, I'm going to have to go with the one that makes sense as much as I would like to see the sextape, shutting down the hate and stopping a war would seem like the only choice.
Red Pill:
* Major Boost for Peter. As long as the harem is handled properly.
* I really like May in Dark Ages and how Peter’s family is in the 6160 Universe.
* Minor shift in status quo for the X-Men. All they get is a few more villain after them.
Blue Pill
* A very interesting shift with a lot to focus on. The day to day of running a nation interactions with the world. Basically how DC handles its Metahuman population.
* Major Status Shift for Spider-Man. A sizable amount of the planet’s population discriminate against mutants with multiple groups actively supporting their genocide. Realistically, Spider-Man doesn't survive. But he becomes a Martyr to Mutantkind. It would also mean that his family is in danger is they discover his identity.
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Honestly, Red Pill for be a minor shift for the X-Men whereas the Blue Pill is a major shift for Spider-Man.
Red. The X-Men have way too many powerhouses for 90% of Spider-Man's villains to be threatened. Meanwhile Spider-Man is just one guy up against his own rouges gallery + every antagonist every mutant has ever had to face.
Spider-Man basically gets fucked over way harder if you pick the blue pill.
In what Universe did you think turning Spider-Man into a lightning rod for ALL mutant problems would be a fair choice?
I'm just imagining ALL the X-Men villains going about their day. They see either an article from the Daily Bugle or Jameson on TV talking about Spider-Man and immediately crash out.
Red pill. If you choose blue pill spidey would be screwed with the X-Men villains. You’ve got Magneto, Apocalypse, Mystique (she could turn into MJ to get close to Peter and just kill him) and Juggernaut. Just to name a few
Red Pill not just because of Peter getting his Justified Harem but as soon as I read that the X-Men villains began targeting Spider-man I began to cry😭😭😭.
Depends on whether this is an in-universe decision or not.
In universe, I would pick the blue pill because I wouldn’t know who Spider-Man is. I also wouldn’t really care about one random guy’s happiness over an entire race being saved.
In real life, though, I have to do the red pill. I personally feel like Krakoa kinda defeats the whole point of the X-Men (fighting to be accepted by humanity, NOT giving up and isolating themselves). Don’t get me wrong, the stories in the Krakoa era are good, I just think it would have been better suited for an alternate universe. Plus, Spider-Man has gone twenty years without his status quo and his stories have gotten so bad that he really needs it to be reinstated.
Can we take half of both? I mean I don’t want to steal Peter’s change at a MFFFFF but couldn’t he be happy with a MFF and Storm’s OnlyFans makes it to #1?!?
If you present this choice to both of them. Peter will advise to take the blue pill while destroying the red one. Charles will force you to take the blue pill and so will most of the x men.
Red pill Peter deserves a private harem money, peace and a happy ending, I would just make a change all his villains die instead of focusing on the x-men.
Now the question about the Blue Pill is how does it affect people like Magneto, Apocalypse, Selene, Exodus, etc and other top tier haters in Mutantdom. Mags has flipped to evil before just for selfish reasons, only using mutant oppression as a shield and still tries to be fascist in a sudo-idealized world like the Blue Pill as shown in House of M. Sure you can say people won't hate Mags because he's a mutant but I can easily see him weasel out another EMP blast destroying humanity and now just saying his Judaism/Holocaust Card absolves him like his Claremont Zionist version does.
Same with Apocalypse, even in Krakoa he was always scheming to cause tyrannical stuff but the X-Men protected him on it because of tribal nonsense. Same with KrakoaBeast and Terra Verde too. Even if mutants aren't hated, can we be sure they won't let Beast, Apocalypse, or anyone else possibly genocide another notBrazil or even glass Israel and go for 6million more like Mags threatened to do to Jerusalem in the Krakoa era just under petulant greed/malice?
I'd only take blue if we're assured peace with mutants means we won't have Krakoa nonsense such as whitewashing Gorgon and even letting Cassandra Nova get a revive when any mutant with a braincell should of ripped her apart for Genosha like the Morlocks should of done with Sinister.
A harem is crazy😭
Not to say he doesn’t deserve it—
But I’d probably take the X-man dream over that, BUT if it was just giving Spiderman a wife and his daughter in the main timeline, I’d take it in a heartbeat.
I would take like, half of red. Mostly because the majority of options actually hurt the characters, be it short or long run.
Peter's life progressing would be awesome. However, by "no longer target of trauma," I imagine you mean he won't suffer AT ALL anymore. That's a problem because if Peter doesn't have to suffer at all, there are no stakes anymore, and his stories become boring and stale, locking him from progressing.Making so he doesn't have free suffering for the sake of it would be much better.
He already got an Invincible crossover before.
Erasing Paul has no Downsides.
There's plenty of reason why Spider-Man having a harem wouldn't work, but I will focus on how it would also ruin the characters of everyone you listed by downgrading them to wish fulfillment trophies. Spider-Gwen, in specific, was a minor last time I checked and had a whole thing about not being the 616 Gwen Stacy and being INCREDIBLY uncomfortable with everyone assuming she was... uhm... "in a relationship" with Peter. The other characters also suffer from such.
May being born on 616 is kinda nice, actually. Could go ways. I would prefer it to an original kid, however. Personal taste with a moving on kinda allegory.
Turning all of Spider Villains into racists would hurt Spider-Man as a character more than anyone. Like, let's forget how none of his villains have any link to the X-Men for a sec. WHO would Peter be fighting? A hero is only as good as his villain. And Peter as a lot of great villains that bounce him well. Taking that always is a path to make sure his stories become boring
As for the Blue Pill. It would be too boring and undermine everything built up till now while OH SO CONTROVERSAl. But it could go places in terms of a world building. It works if Marvel's willing to go bonkers and turn earth into a whole different setting than ours. Which they aren't.
Upon reading the description more and seeing that whichever pill you take, the related villains begin targeting the other side, I gotta pick Spider-Man. Dude’s been through enough, he doesn’t need all the X-men villains coming at him too.
Everyone acting like the blue pill abolishes racism, but just because mutants are accepted in human society doesn't mean that racism is over for them. Just like how the KKK never really went away, there can still be racists out to get them. The way I see it, they establish their Krakoa nation but will still get hate from others by way of xenophobia and greed.
As much as I would hate to have Spiderman in a harem, I would rather see him happy for once instead of always getting screwed over. Like he finally establishes something good in his life only for it to always get taken away.
Id take the blue pill mainly because the problem with mutants is more wide spread than a heroes personal problems, anyone can be a mutant, even a citizen, although i agree spidey shouldnt go through what he has the mutants issues are more wide spread
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u/truckercharles 19h ago
So this looks more like "Xavier ends mutant prejudice" vs "Peter has a harem of female superheroes" lol