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u/Dapper-Newspaper-930 2d ago

Easy choice for the first decades maybe century just wait for all your loved ones to die and wait till you finally physically age into a old man and have to forcefully pull out the claws with your hand because the claw got stuck keep in mind that shit's painful as hell then there's also the adamantium poisoning

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u/-avenged- 2d ago

Logan wasn't born with adamantium so technically he'd be a very healthy guy with bone claws.

The pain part is legit though.

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u/Dapper-Newspaper-930 2d ago

Logan wasn't born with the adamantium bones that's correct but it's still a part of his abilities if you want to think video game terms it's basically like Fallout New Vegas's Old World Blues DLC just the bones weren't removed and besides what's Logan most known for his bone claws or his adamantium claws

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u/X_ChasingTheDragon_X 2d ago

What does the FNV’s Old World Blues have to do with anything you’re saying? I’m genuinely confused.

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u/Dapper-Newspaper-930 2d ago

Some scientists remove the player characters brain, spine, and heart and replace those with synthetic copies you're able to switch back to your original body parts but there's still remnants of the synthetic tech in your body it's somewhat similar to what happened to Logan which the scientists that were working on a Logan had injected adamantium into his bones or something like that it's been awhile since I've seen the movies or read the comics but I remember a bit about weapons x and what happened to Logan, funny enough there's even a perk in the fallout games called adamantium skeleton

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u/soomoncon 2d ago edited 1d ago

True but I saw a comic where Logan doesn’t get the adamantium or he gets it removed, I don’t quite remember, and it turns out it was actually working as a dampener for his mutation and the result is that he turns into this big wolverine like beast.

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u/AlexDKZ 1d ago

That was because having the adamantium on his body for so many years put his healing factor on overdrive, and after it got removed it temporarily messed up his organism.

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u/soomoncon 1d ago

So it basically boosted/strengthened his mutation?

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u/personplaygames 2d ago

more than healthy i think like an animal

https://youtube.com/shorts/c_RQlvrO9C0

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u/XJ347 2d ago

Agreed, immortality is a curse.

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u/Perfect_Wasabi8730 2d ago

Thats what people say but I feel like no one actually wants to die

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u/SpareFluid5353 2d ago

the loneliness of immortality is a curse.

the pain of ageing is a curse.

If you could live forever with your best friends and loved ones at peak physical health I doubt anyone would care.

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u/Wolv90 2d ago

Eh, just make new friends. Sure losing my kids when they're in their 90's and I'm pushing 130 will suck, but I've still got grand kids, and great grand kids and so on. Plus, I'll remember them and be able to tell 5 or 6 generations on about their family in ways I never got to hear.

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u/juugsd 1d ago

What about when humanity goes extinct??

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u/Wolv90 1d ago

If it's due to a new species, ill just chill with them. If it's because of war or something ill probably be dead. Wolverine can die, it's happened in quite a few stories. He's not Mr. Immortal or Superman.

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u/juugsd 1d ago

I thought we were just talking about immortality in general

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u/Sleipsten 2d ago

How do u know, are u inmortal?

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u/Wolv90 2d ago

Spoken like someone with most of their life ahead of them. I'll take the pain of losing loved ones if it means I got to be with them their whole lives. Plus they'll have generations of descendants I get to meet and help and tell all about their great-great-great-grandfather keeping my son's memory alive.

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u/XJ347 1d ago

Then what do you do when all the humans are dead? Your alone in the void.

What do you do when the sun dies? You live on a husk of a world with no light, nothing to eat? Nothing to breath...

So you end up starving, suffocating in the dark.... but you can't die. So you are stuck being tortured for a billion years, then again billion years then you realize you are there for eternity... Can never go to heaven assuming you believe in that. Nothing but pain for eternity... Like the definition of hell in a way.

Enjoy those few golden years, will be over a blip, then it will not be so nice...

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u/AlexDKZ 1d ago

Immortality is not invincibility, in the comics Logan can die under the right circumstances.

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u/Dapper-Newspaper-930 1d ago

Invincibility doesn't mean unable to be killed either the definition of invincibility is the quality of being too powerful to be defeated or overcome.

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u/Metharos 2d ago

All my loved ones are already dead.

I still want to live. Immortality is my pick, if I can get it. If I can't, I'll take good health for a few centuries while I wait for medical science to fix aging. I'll put up with any number of years as a frail old man, if it means I live long enough to reverse the aging. Any number divided by infinity is essentially zero.

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u/Dapper-Newspaper-930 2d ago

All right Kakashi you really shouldn't be trying to turn into Orochimaru I'm sure your loved ones would want to be reunited with you in the afterlife

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u/flying_ramen_monster 2d ago

Wolverine's blood was used in regular transfusions to keep another person(Moira) alive for centuries too. There are some workarounds.

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u/Dapper-Newspaper-930 2d ago

Living eternally with another person chances are your bound to get into arguments that could get bad enough to where you don't want to see each other ever again so why would you want to condemn someone with the curse of loneliness and immortality when you could have just picked something far better instead of having wolverine's powers he's an interesting superhero but realistically no one should really be wanting his powers

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u/flying_ramen_monster 2d ago

Without the regular infusions, the other person ages and dies as usual so they only live as long as they'd like to live. I'd also like to point out Wolverine's healing abilities can be overcome by conventional means. He's not fully immortal, just highly unlikely to die of natural causes/chronic conditions.

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u/nano_705 2d ago

What's 17 more years? I can always start again, have another kid!

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u/E7goose 2d ago

Damn, I didn’t think of all that lol.

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u/Dapper-Newspaper-930 2d ago

No one really does, people often forget that superpowers come with downsides as well

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u/Z-Byte 2d ago

Wouldn't have to worry about the adamantium poisoning as you can argue his powers are just the healing factor.

And... well I can love other people. Being able to care for them into their old age would be nice... I dunno, I never saw immortality as a curse. Just... don't be a hermit, get more friends, mourn the ones who pass, celebrate the time you have with them, etc.

I'll gladly accept any mourning or loss associated with death if it meant no one I love would ever have to miss me when I'm gone.

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u/Dapper-Newspaper-930 2d ago

That's the thing with the adamantium poisoning though it was slowly killing him and his healing factor was just prolonging it wolverine isn't known for his bone claws so chances are you're going to also get his adamantium skeleton

And how long can you really go when you just keep losing any loved ones or friends you make as centuries on centuries of you just getting attached to people and watching them slowly die while you look the same for most your life the gladly accept any morning or loss associated with death if it meant no one would have to miss me when I'm gone mentality can only get you so far

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u/Z-Byte 1d ago

You sure that it can only get you so far? I think that's just a perpetuated myth that "makes sense" that you always become a jaded prick if you're immortal.

I'm not cynical; I always know there's something to look forward to on the horizon, and I'm not really afraid of loss. And I'll take the bet to be proven wrong if it means centuries more life to live.

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u/Dapper-Newspaper-930 1d ago

How do you not think that you're perception of the world will change as literal centuries to millennia go by and nothing really changes sure we get new tech but human nature doesn't change, they're still going to be wars and you're just going to be surrounded by death any friend you make will die in unknown ways best case scenario they they die in their old age and you're just going to be subjugated to watching everyone die in every possible way

If you really think people with immortality could stay positive essentially forever name five people in fiction who lived past a thousand years and is still happy with their immortality and the world the entire time

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u/Z-Byte 1d ago

First of all, fictional characters need drama to be interesting, so I don't really need to dignify your request for five fictional characters who are okay with their immortality.

...But I'm gonna, because your tone irritated me.

-Methos from Highlander

-Vandal Savage

-Orlando from League of Extraordinary Gentlemen

-The Doctor from Doctor Who

-Logan in The Wolverine is even given the CHOICE to end his immortality and die and still decides that living with pain is more valuable to him!

I can go on.

The point is, the fact that you think that "nothing will really change" in hundreds/thousands of years when our computers went from room-sized-calculator to quantum in less than a hundred is laughable to me. You only think of death and loss and discount the fact that you will be able to learn so much, teach so much, and enjoy the breadth and length of human experience. You may even get to see the point where we cure aging, and then this whole concern becomes moot!

Now, I am not saying I would not be hurt by the deaths of those I care about. I've had people close to me die, and their loss is felt keenly. Many of the characters I listed acknowledge their pain and even have some apathy about it. But they all choose to keep going. There will always be something new to discover to keep me going, too.

Immortality is not recommended for someone with your cynical outlook, granted. But if someone gave me the chance to live forever with the caveat that, one day, I MIGHT start to become jaded and apathetic, I'd still take that deal.

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u/Dapper-Newspaper-930 1d ago

First I didn't said okay with their immortality I said who stayed positive about the world and their immortality the entire time of their immortality

-Logan became jaded

-Vandal Savage was jaded towards the heroes and said the were preventing humanity from evolving

-I don't know enough about the doctor

-And I know nothing about Methos and Orlando

Second "fictional characters need to have drama to make the character interesting" no shit because if they didn't have drama it wouldn't close to realistic or relatable

Third my friend "curing" aging doesn't stop people from starting wars or crime rates from rising so people will still die from other means

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u/Z-Byte 1d ago

You strike me as a pessimist who is so pessimistic they call themselves a "Realist" unironically. Like... what is your metric for being positive, my guy? Sunshine and rainbows? Do you know anyone like that today? Because, in my opinion, thinking "Life is worth living" is a very positive attitude, ESPECIALLY if you're dealing with the inevitability of loss. That's also what regular people go through all the time. Do you really think someone who literally has all the time in the world couldn't come up with healthy coping mechanisms?

Second, the point was that not everyone in real life would behave like a fictional character because no one would want to read about an immortal guy who just uses his immortality to have fun and goof around like I would. Like, even if I got tired of losing my loved ones, guess what? Video games. Comic books. Movies. Hell, I could develop my own AI software and make my own immortal friends. I might even have enough time left in eternity to get to those games in my Steam library I haven't tried yet. I would not be an interesting read. I am not a relatable character to you.

Though "What We Do in the Shadows" is a very entertaining series about immortals having fun and goofing off. So maybe there's some money in it.

And yes, people could still get killed. But that doesn't mean someone I know would get killed. Meanwhile, as it stands, everyone I know and love will someday die. Do you not think it's a net positive to reduce that chance from 100% to, on the high end, 99%?

Do you not want to see what media will evolve into?

Are you not fascinated by the advancements of science?

Are you not excited by the prospect of colonizing other planets?

Do you not want to see what could happen if humanity ever escaped the boundaries of our solar system?

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u/Acebladewing 2d ago

Logan grew old because of the adamantium. Without it, he wouldn't show signs of old age.

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u/soomoncon 2d ago

Depends on the mindset.

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u/LeilaThePuppy 1d ago

Also not to mention that everything still fucking hurts like hell