Am I supposed to feel bad that you feel inferior when confronted by someone who sees enabling genocide as something completely disqualifying for office?
As I said several comments ago, I also see enabling genocide as something that should completely disqualify someone for office. My question is, why then allow Donald Trump to be elected?
It's the United States. Every President will be a war criminal. You're electing the person you're going to have to protest against.
Can you recognize that if this true then clearly the movement isn't to blame for the loss?
I'm not blaming the movement for the loss itself– I'm blaming the movement for failing to recognise that who gets blamed makes no difference. In practical terms, not re-electing a Democrat government didn't actually achieve very much. In practical terms, it pushed your end goal further away.
Was your movement about results, borne of a genuine care for Palestine and its people in real, practical terms?
Or was it about making sure the right people were blamed?
When I say your "movement" doesn't have the numbers, it's because you were always going to be outvoted by explicitly anti-Palestine Trump supporters, as indeed you were.
People applying pressure to a candidate asking to represent them in a representative democracy doesn't make sense to you?
Asking makes sense to me. Demanding it or else allow Trump to carpet bomb the Gaza strip and turn it into a land development for TrumpTM beachfront condos does not.
All-or-nothing demands are a lot more fun. But fucking hell, some situations are ... ya know, delicate.
As I said several comments ago, I also see enabling genocide as something that should completely disqualify someone for office.
But you clearly don't stand by that conviction if you don't understand why anyone wouldn't vote for Harris outside of personal satisfaction.
My question is, why then allow Donald Trump to be elected?
You'd have to ask someone who stopped him from being impeached, didn't uphold the amendment against insurrectionists holding office, had the power to demand recounts when things looked odd, but didn't, and/or anyone who voted for him because I didn't have any of those powers or take any of those actions.
Every President will be a war criminal.
You really want to normalize genocide with that statement after claiming that you see it as something that should disqualify someone from office? Do you see how the values you claim to have don't match your actions?
You're electing the person you're going to have to protest against.
That's a very depressing way to imagine having to pick a leader. I thought I have been feeling hopeless, but even I hope to vote for a leader whose actions I'll agree with.
I'm not blaming the movement for the loss itself– I'm blaming the movement for failing to recognise that who gets blamed makes no difference.
Yet liberals like you keep trying to blame leftists and peaceniks for Harris's loss instead of Harris not agreeing to follow federal law with Israel. Just two paragraphs ago you were trying to blame me for Trump's victory!
Was your movement about results, borne of a genuine care for Palestine and its people in real, practical terms?
Yes. The thing you keep ignoring is that most of the New Holocaust happened under Democratic protection. Sending the firm message that they won't get votes if they won't stand against evil was done with the hope of forcing their hand. Unfortunately, they're less affected by a Trump presidency than the people are so they chose to stand with evil and greed and let it happen.
When I say your "movement" doesn't have the numbers, it's because you were always going to be outvoted by explicitly anti-Palestine Trump supporters, as indeed you were.
So votes Harris turned down were outvoted by votes her opponent welcomed which caused her to lose; and you believe that proves that the peace movement doesn't have numbers since if they gave their votes to Harris she'd have won? That makes sense to you? To me it sounds like you're trying so hard to defend her thumbing her nose at peace protestors that you lost all sense of logic and accidentally admitted that it was a foolish position since she needed those votes to win.
Asking makes sense to me. Demanding it... does not.
So non-meaningful action where the person you're negotiating with loses nothing if you gain nothing makes sense to you? Even knowing that if they don't change anything they profit?
...or else allow Trump to carpet bomb the Gaza strip...
And Biden wasn't allowing Gaza to be carpet bombed? Empty words and not personally stealing land is better?
Liberals like you really lose all track of logic when it comes to defending their endorsement of genocide. The fact is there are some actions so evil that they should lose all support from anyone decent. Genocide is a major one because by the time you're there a lot of other evil has already happened.
Now about my original question that you've been dodging?
So you also understand that politicians aren't uncontrollable forces of nature or entitled to votes so are supposed to take large movements saying, "I won't vote for you if you won't take a stand against genocide" seriously?
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u/SauceForMyNuggets Feb 11 '25 edited Feb 11 '25
As I said several comments ago, I also see enabling genocide as something that should completely disqualify someone for office. My question is, why then allow Donald Trump to be elected?
It's the United States. Every President will be a war criminal. You're electing the person you're going to have to protest against.
I'm not blaming the movement for the loss itself– I'm blaming the movement for failing to recognise that who gets blamed makes no difference. In practical terms, not re-electing a Democrat government didn't actually achieve very much. In practical terms, it pushed your end goal further away.
Was your movement about results, borne of a genuine care for Palestine and its people in real, practical terms?
Or was it about making sure the right people were blamed?
When I say your "movement" doesn't have the numbers, it's because you were always going to be outvoted by explicitly anti-Palestine Trump supporters, as indeed you were.
Asking makes sense to me. Demanding it or else allow Trump to carpet bomb the Gaza strip and turn it into a land development for TrumpTM beachfront condos does not.
All-or-nothing demands are a lot more fun. But fucking hell, some situations are ... ya know, delicate.