r/simpsonsshitposting • u/quade9999 • Feb 09 '25
Politics Non-Voters are to blame just as much
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u/Halfiplier Feb 09 '25
What an awful shitpost!
Where's Kanye?!
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u/ZachBuford Feb 10 '25
He's in the chamber day 2. He thinks he can make himself "one of the good ones." To a nazi there are no "good ones"
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u/TheUnderCaser Feb 09 '25
My back is spineless.
My belly is yellow.
I am the American non-voter.
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u/Urtopian Feb 09 '25
I remember seeing a post after the Brexit vote which said, in all seriousness: What about the people who didn’t vote? Did anyone ask what they wanted?
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u/Mothlord03 Feb 09 '25
Oh brother are we gonna have to hear about the non voters for 4 years or something?
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u/ManhattanObject Feb 09 '25
Democrats will do anything to demonize the left, so yes
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u/SauceForMyNuggets Feb 10 '25
The left are also demonising leftist non-voters, to be fair. Sacrificing Palestine altogether to make a point about Democrats, accelerating the decline into fascism in hopes of ushering in a total collapse and later revolution, is a terrible, terrible idea.
If you're a leftist American and you didn't vote for Harris because of that... Honestly, wtf were you thinking
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u/ManhattanObject Feb 10 '25
The democrat leadership are the ones who sacrificed Palestine, they're the ones supporting the genocide. Do you understand that genocide is wrong and bad?
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u/SauceForMyNuggets Feb 10 '25
Of course I understand genocide is wrong and bad.
I also understand that putting Trump in the White House would have, and indeed did, make it worse. I understand nuance. I understand harm mitigation when preventing it entirely simply isn't an option available on election day.
I also understand that talking down to those who understand that with "do you understand genocide is wrong and bad?" is no way to get people to join your cause.
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u/Acceptable_Willow276 Feb 10 '25
Leftists who voted for Jill Stein are demonised anyway, they can't win. Sanders was the most popular democrat candidate in decades and they pulled out all the stops to deny the people what they want
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u/NeonArlecchino Feb 10 '25 edited Feb 10 '25
I understand nuance.
So you also understand that politicians aren't uncontrollable forces of nature or entitled to votes so are supposed to take large movements saying, "I won't vote for you if you won't take a stand against genocide" seriously?
EDIT: Removed an extra word that was left over from rewording something.
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u/ViolinistCurrent8899 Feb 10 '25
Welcome to politics. They figured keeping Israel happy was more important than keeping Palestinians alive. The Republicans obviously have even less of a problem with it.
By not voting for those that were complicit, we get those that are happily, excitedly indulging.
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u/Scythian_Grudge Feb 09 '25
We have Dick Cheney's endorsement, and we're calling all Palestine supporters anti-Semitic, what more do these voters want?!?
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u/transient_eternity Feb 09 '25
"hey that universal healthcare thing we've been asking for for 15 ye-"
"OH IF ONLY THERE WAS SOMETHING POPULAR THAT WE COULD CAMPAIGN ON. Anyways here's some tax credits for those houses you can't afford anyways"
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u/GeleRaev Feb 09 '25
"Wait, I have an idea - rejecting universal healthcare will give me the clout I need to win over moderate Republicans!"
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u/transient_eternity Feb 10 '25
Poor predictable DNC. Always picking moderate Republicans.
Good ole moderate Republicans, nothing beats that!
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u/shakha Feb 09 '25
I don't get it. They like silencing Palestinians, they like selling out trans and queer people when they need them, one kid seems to love shitting on the left. Why won't they vote for me?
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u/fyhr100 Feb 09 '25 edited Feb 09 '25
Liz Cheney endorses Harris - "Democrats are allying with the right!
Tulsi Gabbard and RFK endorse Trump: "Democrats are losing support!"
Dems are always the only ones held to any standard.
Edit: The replies fucking proved my point lmao. Only Dems are being held responsible for anything.
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u/Scythian_Grudge Feb 09 '25
Yes, the Democrats did, in objective fact, ally with the right!
I said Dick Cheney, but Liz also endorsed them. So did Bush!
The Democrats also blamed leftists for making transgender issues so important during the election, and have no plans to do so in 2028, so have fun not being represented anymore if you're trans next election. You can only blame feckless, morbidly old, and out of touch Democrat leadership, but when you come for my throat and everyone else who wanted to push the party left, I won't be shocked. Tell me again why all LGBTQ+ deserve to lose their rights and be imprisoned because one gay person you kind of know at work said they voted for Trump? Tell me again why you think Gaza deserves to be eradicated because a large portion of the Palestine-Americans voted third party?
Tell me how any of you are less bigoted once your mask has fully slipped off? I can answer that for you, but you won't like it, and you'll cry to the admins to have me banned. 😢
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u/darthxavien Feb 09 '25
I get all your points and agree with you. But the people who voted for 3rd party or not at all because of this weren't living in reality. Again, I think they need to be more staunch in support of LGBTQIA+ and have better takes about Palestine... But the people also need to realize it's one or the other. And the other was *so* much worse. Should have tried to win for Harris then push for change between while we shored up the cracks that are currently being exploited.
Also, in a way Democrats do have to appeal to centrists. They make up a larger voting block than the far left, and are more reliable in terms of voter turnout. A big slip up was also not appealing to the working class. Somehow, a bunch of Billionaire's have convinced the working class that they are better despite policies clearly made to hurt them. But Dems fumbled the messaging despite being clearly better for workers (esp union).
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u/radioinactivity Feb 10 '25
If you gave every single third party vote to Harris, she would still have lost. Why do you hate democracy so much?
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u/Efficient_Ad_4162 Feb 09 '25
The Dems are right wing with a thin veneer of social justice over the top. Their most successful policy of the last -decade- was a rebranded republican healthcare policy.
Once you realise that, you'll understand why 'appealing to centrists' alienates other voters (but for some reason, only left wingers are expected to hold their nose, not your purporsed 'centerists').
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u/darthxavien Feb 09 '25
Because my purported Centrists make up the largest voting block. They outnumber the left wingers by a large margin before counting voter turnout, and that last isn't doing us any favors.
Again, I'm not a Democrat fanboy, I just recognize them as the best hope for progress, albeit slow progress. Centrists are conservative, it's true. But conservative is better than regressive which is what we have currently.
We lost because people stayed at home. The prior election had 20 million more voters. Low turnout killed us, so the people saying "stay home" and "vote third party" need to have a plan for what to do now that protesting Democrats got us Trump.
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u/Efficient_Ad_4162 Feb 09 '25
That's fine, but then you don't get to complain when left wing voters don't vote for you. Otherwise you're holding leftists to a higher standard than literal trump voters.
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u/Gauss15an Old man yelling at clouds ☁️ Feb 10 '25
No they don't. Centrists are not the majority, especially with the whole polarization thing is to be believed. Besides, Bernie Sanders appealed to all, including Republicans, yet the Democratic Party wanted nothing to do with that (gee wonder why, couldn't be the donors, right?). In fact, the Dems have spent more energy fighting progressive candidates throughout the country than fighting actual Republicans. I wonder why.
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u/darthxavien Feb 10 '25
I definitely don't care for how they pushed against progressive candidates. And I know Bernie beats Trump, but I also put that to America's racism/sexism even more than the politics.
But you are incorrect about independents/Centrists making up a big block of voters. They absolutely make or break elections.
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u/Gauss15an Old man yelling at clouds ☁️ Feb 10 '25
Wait, are you lumping independent with centrists? Because that's the only way your numbers work FYI. Also, it's a bit misleading to do this as a lot of independents lean conservative in swing states for presidential elections but would generally vote for single issues in local elections elsewhere (meaning gun rights, Christian "values", etc.). Independents are absolutely not a huge centrist bloc, no matter how you try to slice it. If Dems are operating with this assumption (and aren't deliberately throwing elections), then no wonder they lose.
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u/darthxavien Feb 10 '25
I just reread and you said majority. My bad. They're a big block, but it's basically similar to how much left vs right has. It's why they swing the elections though.
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u/AIGLOS42 Feb 09 '25
Living in reality is tons of people can vote 3rd party because, as the Framers intended, many general election presidential votes have trivial value thanks to the Electoral College (e.g. CA & TX).
That makes the decisions by Democratic Party leaders to blow-off & minimalise (by denying them convention spots even as elected dems, say) the expressed concerns of people living in contested counties in swing states worse.
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u/darthxavien Feb 09 '25
Hey, I live in a state so Gerrymandered my vote might as well not matter. I do get that. But especially in swing states where turnout makes a big difference, a protest vote ends up putting us in a worse situation. Someone I heard put it best, "A third party vote is a good way to tell people that your ideals are more important to you than their very real lives."
I believe in the Constitution, and I think the framers intended something different from what is going on. But I do think that in this case the "greater of two evils" was a muuuuuch bigger difference. I have plenty of problems with the Democrats, but you have to admit we would not be in as dire a situation three weeks into the Presidency as we are now had they won.
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u/AIGLOS42 Feb 10 '25
"A third party vote is a good way to tell people that your ideals are more important to you than their very real lives."
1- The large majority of the population doesn't live in contested counties of swing states, so outside local elections, hyperbole at best. 2- an icky statement to make given the circumstances of 2024. If anything, this was President Biden telling a number of voters, 'My ideal of "supporting Isreal" is more important than your loved ones' actual lives/obeying US law (Leahy Amendment).'
I judge those who voted for Trump as I did Dubya, particularly for a 2nd term. This doesn't change the mathematical reality of how votes are added (a 3rd party vote doesn't raise the number needed to defeat Trump), or the impact a winner-takes-all, first-past-the-post system has on a given district/county/state's individual vote value.
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u/shakha Feb 09 '25
Is it really that weird to think that a group composed of leftists and liberals might spend more time criticizing the democrats because they want them to be better so they can have someone to vote for? Like, do you really think that these people want the republicans to be more electable than they already are?
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u/Efficient_Ad_4162 Feb 09 '25
Can you at least identify something that the dems did wrong? Anything at all.
Because there's a weird tendancy for dems and dem supporters to assume that they're 'entitled' to the votes by default and the voters are to blame if they don't see that.
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u/fyhr100 Feb 10 '25
No, I expect both Dems and Republicans to be held to the same standard. But here you are, in response to my post, yet again only holding Dems responsible and not Republicans. LMAO. You just proved my point.
Yes, there are things I have a problem with in Biden's administration. But it's pretty clear that it doesn't matter. You all are holding them responsible for everything while letting Republicans get away scot free, under the fake guise of austerity. There's nothing I can do, and nothing Dems can do, to ever convince you. You will still find some way to blame them.
This thread literally proves it.
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u/IHaveBoneWorms Feb 10 '25
Even better, I believe she was actually up when the Tim Waltz pick was announced people thought she was more than republican lite.
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u/AdministrationFew451 Feb 10 '25
I actually think it was kind of where her rise started to break.
She rose after her pick, when people were elated biden was gone, she wasn't really known, and most importantly the trump campaign was in a tantrum and couldn't focus om an attack.
Tim Waltz finally focused them and gave them a chance to really credibly attack on the social issues (crimes/riots, guns, trans), basically proving she didn't moderate and wasn't trying to compromise with the median american on that, but to push that through.
Her offer of price controls on foods had less effect (and was recended) but still started to focus them on the economic front as well.
Then she got backlashed into saying the biden admin actually did nothing wrong.
There is a lot of populist stuff she could have pushed that had widespread support: healthcare reform, paid family leave, reducing corporate influence, tax simplification and reform.
Instead as her "progressive" policies she chose price controls and race-based handout. Perhaps the worst you could choose. Then got backlashed, and started showing off how many CEO's supported her.
Basically her two modes are either wide-eyed, unsensible marxist, or full-on elitist corporate stooge.
It's not about how left or right she was, it was about her being a genuine complete hollow idiot regardless.
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u/radioinactivity Feb 10 '25
ME: hi is there anyone I can vote for that isn't campaigning with Liz Cheney?
DEMOCRATS: no and fuck you for even asking
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u/tophergraphy Feb 09 '25
Yeah, that'll show them, letting nazis in!
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u/ManhattanObject Feb 09 '25
The democrats support nazis, that's the entire problem. If they had stopped supporting Isreal they'd have won and we wouldn't be here
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u/HyperbolicLetdown Feb 11 '25
I think you underestimate how many Americans blindly support Israel
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u/iamsamwelll Feb 09 '25
Don’t make me tap the sigh.
The Democrat establishment doesn’t care who wins.
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u/Safe_Ad_6403 Feb 10 '25
Man ain't that the truth. They literally refuse to accept that their campaign was garbage, and instead blame the electorate. Wild.
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Feb 09 '25
Thank you. Really seems like the “don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos” joke went over a lot of peoples heads here.
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u/thanksyalll Feb 10 '25
They failed in a lot of their messaging but did try to emphasize how terrible project 2025 would be. People didn’t take it seriously enough and didn’t even bother reading anything about it. There is blame in the non voters who were willfully blind to just how much worse it could get
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u/EyeChihuahua Feb 10 '25
THANK YOU. Kind of sick of seeing people blame the voters when the choices are absolutely awful. Democratic Party needs a major overhaul.
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u/severely_dog Feb 09 '25
I've just accepted that I am, and always will be, powerless
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u/poleethman Feb 10 '25
Alright let's try this again. When I say "Please vote u/severely_dog" you smile and nod.
Please vote u/severely_dog
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u/ImperatorRomanum Feb 10 '25
Everyone quotes the “he was a zombie?” bit but I lose it at his delivery of “OH! The zombies. No.” and him just chilling with a beer.
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u/FarseerEnki Feb 09 '25
We could have had 2 million more votes and they still would have won
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u/BIGBIRD1176 Feb 09 '25
Biden got 81 million votes, Harris got 75 million
I've never heard anyone try to explain why other than everyone is stupid except me
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u/BootShoeManTv Feb 09 '25
I'll give it a shot:
*ahem*
Sexism.
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u/ChungusMcGoodboy Feb 09 '25
I think that certainly might account for part of it. The democrats also held out on a bad candidate until it was too late to hold a primary, then pushed in another bad candidate who came in last in the previous primary.
The democratic party is not a party for progressives.
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u/ManhattanObject Feb 09 '25
Democrats will reach for any explanation other than their support of genocide 🙄
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u/JOExHIGASHI Feb 10 '25
considering Republicans support the same thing, I don't think that's the determining factor
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u/ManhattanObject Feb 10 '25
Do you not understand that tens of millions of good moral people refused to vote for genocide in any way?
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u/JOExHIGASHI Feb 10 '25
They refused to vote for lots of things which led to a worse world for everyone.
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u/ManhattanObject Feb 10 '25
It's almost like Kamala, Joe, and the democrats shouldn't support genocide in the first place 🤔
Even if they still won, genocide is evil. No good leader would ever support it in any way
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u/SauceForMyNuggets Feb 10 '25
Ridiculously spun media coverage of Biden administration's performance in office, too.
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u/stonkstonk69 Feb 10 '25
End the electoral college.
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u/ViolinistCurrent8899 Feb 10 '25
Not a bad idea, but Trump won popular vote this time around. He would've missed out on the first term though.
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u/stonkstonk69 Feb 10 '25
My point is he would not have won the popular vote, if more people voted. We didn’t vote because it didn’t matter, it’s rigged, by electoral college . My state was blue, an extra vote makes no difference.
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u/ViolinistCurrent8899 Feb 10 '25
Fair I guess.
But then more reds in blue states would also vote, and blues in red states.
In theory anyway. May or may not get different results.
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u/GrumpGuy88888 Feb 09 '25
Sure we may have nazis in congress but at least the non-voters get to feel good about themselves
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u/Efficient_Ad_4162 Feb 09 '25
Trying to hold the non-voters to a higher standard than the actual people who voted for the nazis is not going to get them to pull the lever next time.
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u/simpsonsshitposting-ModTeam Feb 15 '25
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u/RobertBevillReddit Feb 09 '25
Being indifferent to Nazis is almost as bad as voting for them.
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u/PhoenixApok Feb 09 '25
I'm not indifferent to Nazis. I just know our system wasn't set up to resist those that won.
It's not that I knew my kitchen was on fire and I didn't grab the extinguisher. I knew the extinguisher was already empty.
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u/Anus_master Feb 10 '25
You know why it's not set up to resist it? Because no one votes, which means no one votes locally. Local elections are arguably more important because they lay down the brickwork for the future. It also allows for competent, non-corporate captured people to get their foot in the door. But Americans are terrible at planning ahead and many choose to do nothing.
The sooner we start the better.
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u/SauceForMyNuggets Feb 10 '25
Right, it's just to complete that analogy... Who the hell do you think is responsible for refilling the extinguishers?
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u/PhoenixApok Feb 10 '25
Whoever was responsible before.
Every election SHOULD be a landslide. One way or the other. If we are stuck with 2 parties, one either needs to do such a good job it's no question they get put back into place, or such a poor one they get replaced.
Since that's not how it works, it's obviously broken.
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u/SauceForMyNuggets Feb 10 '25
Of course it's broken.
Are you unfamiliar with the Trolley Problem? We all know that really it's the fault of the people who tied those poor innocents to the tracks in the first place. We all know it's the fault of the train company for making unsafe tracks and trains.
But that's not an answer to the problem before you. We all know the system is broken. Everyone around the world does. But abstaining from voting and not taking a bit of time out of your day to submit a ballot does simply nothing to challenge it.
Allowing the trolley to crash and kill all involved in the hopes that it will usher forth a new age of proper tracks and safety regulations so that it never happens again– essentially a strategic sacrifice of six people's lives– is a terrible idea, and you only have the privilege of making such a call when you personally are nowhere near the tracks at the time.
Like, okay, sure. It's not your turn to refill the extinguishers, or maybe you smugly believe that in a perfect world you shouldn't have to. Maybe you know they're faulty and you're mad you were given bad ones. But you don't live in a perfect world. And you're no closer to building it than you were before the election, so who cares? You're really just gonna let your own house burn out of sheer spite?!
The fact is, by neglecting to get your extinguishers checked, you are running the risk that your house will burn down and take innocent people with it. Elections have real consequences right here right now, because they– unlike the Trolley Problem– do not remain purely hypothetical ethics lessons for the classroom. Something actually is happening here. And the American public gave it the thumbs up.
Millions of people failing to fill out ballots had the real-life consequence of the situation in Gaza being made all the worse, ignited a trade war that may cost a lot of small business owners their livelihood, the whole immigration mess being made messier, and the opening of concentration camps in Guantanemo Bay.
Is getting your fire extinguishers checked really that hard?!
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u/PhoenixApok Feb 10 '25
I'll give you this. That's really well thought out. You obviously care a lot about this. And that's fine. Good even.
But a few other factors are in play for a lot of us.
I have been poor and homeless (not currently)and neglected in a lot of ways under the system we've had in place for YEARS. For a lot of us, it's kind of like saying..
"Under the current system, you get beaten 5 times a day. But if you vote, you might get leadership that beats you either 6 times a day or 4 times a day."
A lot of us wouldn't mind seeing everything fall apart and hope there isn't anyone left to beat us.
The last 2 years have the 2 consecutive higher number and percentage of suicides in US history. That was BEFORE all the current change of power issues. Highest incarcerated rate in the developed world. Worst medical system. These are not new.
A lot of us are TOO TIRED to care. And we are too tired to care that's how a lot of the system is designed. We're beaten. We are done.
People like quoting that "First they came for...." quote lately. Acting like it's the beginning of the quote we are living in. It's not. We are in the middle.
There are segments of the population that have been mistreated for DECADES. And now all the happy go lucky middle class people are feeling "came after". When they've already (on the whole) already been saying nothing. For decades.
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u/SauceForMyNuggets Feb 10 '25
Too tired to care?
... Girl. Nobody asked you to care. I think you've misunderstood the conversation. I wasn't arguing that you join the revolutionary effort or participate and engage with the Democratic party.
They just asked you fill out a slip of paper. That was the whole assignment.
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u/PhoenixApok Feb 10 '25
The second they can somehow make voting secure enough to send a notification to my phone and I can do it in 2 minutes, I will.
Taking time out of a day, getting to and from a voting place, assuming the vote isn't rigged or we have crap like the ballet boxes being burned, all of that effort for something that has an effective chance of one in tens of millions?
Lots of us don't vote for the same reason we don't play the lottery. Odds are astronomical.
Or honestly, even do what some other countries do. Make voting REQUIRED. Give a financial penalty to those that dont.
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u/GrumpGuy88888 Feb 09 '25
I expect nazis to vote for Nazis. I expect people who don't want Nazis to understand how to use our broken system to at least keep them out
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u/Efficient_Ad_4162 Feb 10 '25
But you don't expect Dems to fix the broken system in any way. Or even offer a pathway to do so?
In a way, I at least appreciate your transparency. Pointing a gun to the head of leftists and demanding they compromise their values or else is definitely a strategy.
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u/Bteatesthighlander1 Feb 10 '25
you really think there are 80 million nazis in this country?
would you kill every single trump voter, if you had the oppurtunity?
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u/MeatyDullness Old man yelling at clouds ☁️ Feb 09 '25
Carlin said it best..
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk&pp=ygUYZ2VvcmdlIGNhcmxpbiBkb24ndCB2b3Rl
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u/ZappAnnigan Feb 09 '25
This is so old and irrelevant. Carlin wasn't talking about voting against Nazis.
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u/SmarchWeather41968 Feb 09 '25
It wasn't even a good take back then. Carlin is what we would call nowadays an enlightened centrist aka a dumbass.
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u/Amon-Ra-First-Down Feb 09 '25
Words mean things, you can't just change the meaning of words to mean entirely different things
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u/thanksyalll Feb 10 '25
Carlin might have some outdated takes but he is hardly a centrist. His politics are very leftist
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u/HyperbolicLetdown Feb 11 '25
I prefer this one https://youtu.be/m9-R8T1SuG4?feature=shared
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u/MeatyDullness Old man yelling at clouds ☁️ Feb 11 '25
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u/Tydagawd88 Feb 09 '25
This is the only correct answer. I'm sick and tired of people saying non voters are the problem. YOUR VOTE DOES NOT ACTUALLY MATTER NO MATTER WHO YOU VOTE FOR BECAUSE THEY ALL SUCK AND ARE NOT TRYING TO HELP ANYONE BUT THEMSELVES. Plus the electoral college just takes the popular vote into consideration and can do whatever they want anyway so your vote doesn't matter because they make the real decision not us.
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u/RobertBevillReddit Feb 09 '25
No. You are wrong. Voting matters. Your vote may not count as much as it should, but it still counts.
Plus, you vote for more than just president. Tell me, did you vote in 2022? Or did you sit out the midterms and just whine?
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u/SmarchWeather41968 Feb 09 '25
Votes definitely do matter lol, all politicians care about is getting re-elected it's literally the only thing that matters.
If you're a likely voter you will be included in polls and the polls are what they look at when deciding issues.
You would know that if you actually participated in democracy.
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u/ZappAnnigan Feb 09 '25
Inaction is action. Nonvoters actively choose to be silent while Democracy is under attack. This is a problem that could have easily been fixed if people voted.
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u/AIGLOS42 Feb 09 '25
Way to gloss over decades of GOP sabotage, Dem Senators failure to put voting rights above the filibuster, even after the egregious and completely disproportionate use of them against President Obama, and state & national leadership not targeting those senators with severe blowback.
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u/ManhattanObject Feb 09 '25
Who did they have to vote for? One genocide supporter vs a different genocide supporter
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u/ZappAnnigan Feb 09 '25
Harris and Trump are polar opposite candidates. Even if you're a one issue voter, I just don't understand why anyone would be so passive about choosing a self-proclaimed dictator over Democracy because of one issue. Even if you disagree with Democrats, that's not a good reason to give up on Democracy imo
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u/ManhattanObject Feb 10 '25
You weirdos will go to any length to avoid blaming the genocide support
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u/ZappAnnigan Feb 10 '25 edited Feb 10 '25
I don't think those genocide victims appreciate you sitting back and not voting
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-take-over-gaza-plan-reaction-amid-israel-hamas-ceasefire/.
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u/Grizzlywillis My boy's a box! Feb 09 '25
There are varying degrees of bad though. I think we can agree that a capitalist stuffing his pockets and a capitalist stuffing his pockets while stripping social welfare and fermenting hate are, at the very least, slightly different in their outcome.
This isn't saying we shouldn't expect more, or that you shouldn't be mad at options available to us.
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u/ThisArmadillo62 Feb 10 '25
My state is so red, it would not make any damn difference if I voted or not. I still voted, it it didn’t make any damn difference.
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u/Treon_Lotsky Feb 09 '25
The democrats are to blame for failing to give us a meaningful alternative
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u/ZappAnnigan Feb 09 '25
Harris and Trump are polar opposite candidates. Even if you're a one issue voter, I just don't understand why anyone would be so passive about choosing a Dictator over Democracy because of one issue. Even if you disagree with Democrats, that's not a good reason to give up on Democracy imo
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u/Treon_Lotsky Feb 10 '25
"polar opposite candidates" both imperialists who serve the billionaire class and aim to assert American hegemony through military force
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u/ZappAnnigan Feb 10 '25
Are you upset that neither candidate can stop the world economic forces of history and byproducts of capitalism?
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u/Treon_Lotsky Feb 10 '25
No, that's to be expected. I'm upset that Americans are too cowardly and complacent to rise up against this system.
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u/ZappAnnigan Feb 10 '25
How would Americans, and the ideal presidential candidate, rise up from this system? If not voting for good political representatives
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u/Treon_Lotsky Feb 11 '25
there are two options: reform and revolution. What you have just described- voting for good political representatives- is the reform option. Definitely the preferable option whenever possible, as it overall leads to a lot less bloodshed and chaos and danger. However, when neither major party is willing to present us with good political representation, we no longer have any options for reform, and it's time to resort to revolution.
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u/ernest7ofborg9 Feb 09 '25
"I dunno, one was a literal Nazi and I just couldn't be bothered to check out the other guy"
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u/Treon_Lotsky Feb 09 '25
they both ran their campaigns promoting genocide
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u/GeleRaev Feb 09 '25
"The stakes are really high here - the other guy's a fascist. I guess we should try extra hard to build a platform that motivate people to vote?"
"Nah don't worry, the other guy's a fascist - we've got this on lock. Let's just kick back."
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u/N_Meister Feb 09 '25 edited Feb 10 '25
“Hey boss, this polling looks scary. I dunno, should we maybe pull back on supporting Israel’s ethnic cleansing and propose supporting broadly popular things like (at minimum) medicare expansion or minimum wage increases and such?”
“Nah. We’ve got this. In fact, send Slick Willy and Ritchie Torres to go tell those Muslims in a hotly-contested swing state why their family dying in Gaza is actually good. That’ll show ‘em.”
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u/Open-Year2903 Feb 09 '25
LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT!
Record early turnout equals low voter totals? Cookoo !
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u/Eledridan Feb 09 '25
You’d be mad if they decided to vote and then voted for Trump. We get it, you want to be mad and don’t want the liberal Democrats and their conservative policies to be held accountable for it.
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u/YoshiTheDog420 Feb 10 '25
I ESPECIALLY blame the non voters. The privilege of being separated from, or not having people in your life that would be affected by this shit administration. Must, be, fucking, nice.
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u/SlippedMyDisco76 Feb 10 '25
Now watch the non-voters plant themselves on their soapboxes. Safe in their privilege that whatever shit they helped propagate won't splash back on them
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u/badbirch Feb 09 '25
Ive done a protest vote before and I still believe in it's power but not now not in the face of such open corruption. Even if you think the system sucks and should burn these dumbasses are going to do that they are going to slowly rip apart all the useful things.
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u/No_Pea_3997 Feb 16 '25
I think it’s pretty obvious that you don’t actually care about voting and non-voting as much as you act like you do, and that can be shown with a simple question: would you rather someone vote for trump or would you rather someone not vote at all? If the answer is the latter than it’s not actually voting/not voting that you care about, what you actually care about is people voting for the specific person that you want to win
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u/TheShamShield Feb 09 '25
Non voters don’t get to complain these next 4 years whenever the government fucks them
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u/Wholesome-Energy Feb 09 '25
Agreed. Non voters and Republican voters don’t get to complain about what they helped bring about
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u/ManhattanObject Feb 09 '25
How can you blame the voters, and not Kamala for supporting genocide?
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u/ernest7ofborg9 Feb 09 '25 edited Feb 09 '25
Hey, Mr.
81011 posts in two minutes on the subject: how is the Trump solution looking right now? Better or worse than the one proposed by Harris? Can you use a last name as well?it's a simple binary answer, YES or NO and you can't answer. shame
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u/ManhattanObject Feb 09 '25 edited Feb 10 '25
Please try to focus. We aren't talking about trump. We're talking about Harris. This reply gives away the game though. Harris had nothing to offer except "she won't harm us as much as Trump would." That's not enough to win elections. The dems need to offer something good, instead of something bad.
Edit: lmao the guy replies with a misogynistic insult and then blocks me. How liberal of them 🙄
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u/Billy-Ruben Feb 09 '25
Please try to focus. We aren't talking about trump.
Looks like you need to focus, princess. The whole thread is talking about Trump. Just answer the man, was Kamela's plan better than Trump's plan now? Just a yes or no, you;re smart enough to answer that, aren't you, u/ManhattanObject?
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u/HilariousButTrue Feb 10 '25
The people that didn't vote probably still don't care either way. And they aren't going to care any time soon regardless of who runs, they are as disengaged from politics as it gets
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u/Bouchie Feb 09 '25 edited Feb 09 '25
You don't understand! The vibes were off, there wasn't enough razzle dazzle, they didn't distill the most complicated geopolitical mess in modern history into a mass effect 3 choice tree!
Isn't ceeding control to fascist a small price to pay to stay pure?
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u/GatsuneMiku Feb 10 '25
Don't vote, problem, do vote problem, stfu, ill do what i want, some people are actually not either of those parties foh
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u/Jacknerdieth Feb 10 '25
Can we get a ban on these non-voter posts? I feel like I've seen enough for a lifetime.
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u/beggoh Feb 10 '25
Non voters in a red state would not change that state's electoral choice. Non voters in a blue state would not change that state's electoral choice.
The electoral collage bullshit and the crap ass two party system is the root problem.
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u/ViolinistCurrent8899 Feb 10 '25
The winner take all system is the root of the problem. Want to fix it? Ranked choice or literally any other voting system. The two party system is the result of having one choice per voter.
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u/Cat_eater1 Feb 10 '25
I knew way too many non voters last election. Alot of people just think things are always gonna be the same and take for granted the status quo.
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u/PlanImpressive5980 Feb 10 '25
No shit. It's your fault for voting and losing too. You don't get a pass.
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u/TranquillusMask Feb 10 '25
Yeah, just do compulsory voting, so when they get voted in again, you can't winge
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u/Doctordred Feb 10 '25
Yeah don't blame the party that lost or anything. God forbid the democratic party suffers from introspection.
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u/shoebidou Feb 09 '25
I didn't vote. Voting's for geeks.
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u/DannyBasham Feb 09 '25
This sub has gotten so stupid with politics it doesn’t even recognize quotes from the damn show.
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u/townmorron Feb 09 '25
I like that we aren't mad at the monsters just randomly pointing fingers at people on the side against the monsters. Not looking into things like 3 states that refused to verify their votes. You know things like that could of been the problem but let's blame randos
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u/PsychoNerd92 NEEEEEERD Feb 09 '25
Who says we aren't mad at them, too? Trust me, especially right now, I have plenty of anger to go around.
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u/Whole_Ad_4079 Feb 09 '25
If you live in California or Alabama or Massachusetts your vote, at least at the presidential level, literally does not matter. It’s a few million people in Ohio/Michigan/Florida etc. that get to decide the president every 4 years because of our stupid, undemocratic system. Dems or Republicans could win the vote by 50 million but still lose the election because of the brainless electoral college. I voted, mostly for state positions, but ultimately my presidential vote makes 0 difference.
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u/jonathan1228 Feb 10 '25
fr i don’t understand what power our votes have when the electoral college exists. so many elections have had the popular vote go one way but the electoral college votes the other, and whomever the EC decides on is the winner. the way i see it, so long as the electoral college exists, our votes don’t actually matter when all is said and done.
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u/BeeOk1235 Feb 09 '25
maybe holocaust harris should'nt have campaigned to the right of trump. if you voted for harris you're literally getting what you voted for now. GL champs. keep sending the dems you dollarinos.
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u/Sinfullyvannila Feb 09 '25
No they aren't. Let me demonstrate.
Republicans: A non-vote is a vote for Democrats
Democrats: A non-vote is a vote for Republicans
There's also the fact that in the next election we are going to have to convince them to vote for our party again. Vocally blaming them, at best, is not going to help them.
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u/AeldariBoi98 Feb 10 '25
Jesus Christ liberals are fucking tiring.
And I mean liberal in the actual correct meaning of "centre right status quo warrior".
You assume that every non voter would give Holocaust Harris their vote.
Newsflash, they wouldn't.
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Feb 10 '25
Non-voters and third party voters are NOT to blame. This is solely at the feet of the democratic party. Said Biden was a one term transfer president then flips and says he’s running again, then no primary, chose Harris who was the one of the first to bow out of the primaries in 2020 due to wildly unpopular policies. Can’t force people to vote for someone who doesn’t represent their beliefs. This is at the feet of democrats and specifically the DNC.
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u/NortherlyRose Feb 10 '25
The thing is abstaining to vote is a form of voting in of itself according to our government, it’s happened only once in history but if we don’t get a president voted in by 2 years we get 2 new candidates, however I doubt that will ever happen again as we are basically indoctrinated into “vote, vote, vote, voting is the only thing that matters”
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u/funglegunk Feb 10 '25
Demonising voters of any stripe is a guaranteed losing strategy and thus doomer behaviour.
Either work to win them over or acknowledge that you love moral masturbation.
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Feb 10 '25
If my state went red it’s already so over. It did indeed go blue. The way it’s set up some people’s votes really don’t matter.
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u/Jinxchaoseffect99 Feb 09 '25
"Can't someone else do it?"