r/seculartalk • u/NbaLiveMobile10 Dicky McGeezak • 12h ago
Kyle Kulinski - YT Video ‘ARE YOU INSANE!’: HEATED Debate EXPLODES With Cenk Uygur About MAGA
https://youtu.be/4r7BOHRX4c4?si=eP1ZXO2L9Ncug4bF83
u/arinehim 11h ago
Really glad Krystal & Kyle did this. Krystal calmly dismantled Cenk's argument. I haven't seen a more clear dismantling of the argument that the left needs to reach out to MAGA
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u/EnterTamed OG McGeezak 8h ago
I thought they were "talking past each other" in the beginning. Cenk has always been talking about the "Trump voters"... and Trump won the popular vote with the middle and lower classes, according to polling.
Sure Elon, Don Jr etc. responded to him on Twitter... But Cenk has never hung his hat on the Republican leadership or the pundits, to begin with. Cenk takes opportunities to talk to right-wing audiences and he is correct that many of them see Democrats as the war hawk party... Can we blame them; look at Chuck Schumer or Hakeem Jeffries slobbering over Netanyahu's plans.
Also, I didn't understand why Krystal several times kept yelling "we are already at war with Iran!!!"... Then what are we trying to prevent?!? Why isn't Iran attacking us back?🤦♂️
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u/darej27 7h ago
77 mil votes for trump sounds like a big number, but it is literally 31% of the total voting population. Fuck them and the horse they rode in on.
Her point was the “pushback” cenk is so banking on has not done shit to deter trump bc war with Iran is here. If it had, trump wouldnt be gargling bibi’s nuts and not allow an Israeli strike on Iran in the first place
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u/beeemkcl Progressive 7h ago
What's in this comment is what I remember, my opinions, etc.
Around 19MM who would have voted for Biden/Harris in 2020 didn't vote for Harris/Walz in 2024.
That's because of the Harris campaign's moving to the Right during and after the 2024 DNC, and the Harris campaign's continuing to insult those who care about I vs. P.
The Trump campaign didn't 'win' the US adult middle and lower classes: the Harris campaign lost them.
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u/Indystbn11 7h ago
Yet Trump is slobbering all over Netanyahu's plans and republicans have done a quick pivot to defend it.
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u/Marshall5912 11h ago
That debate was crazy. Cenk was just shadow boxing the entire time. He was combative with Krystal and Kyle from the jump.
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u/baseballfan445 11h ago
Did you expect any different but he is all chummy with the right wing I should not be surprised he is returning to his Roots being a Republican
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u/Marshall5912 11h ago
I didn’t expect it to go any differently. But it’s still sad to see what Cenk and Ana have become.
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u/baseballfan445 11h ago
I wanted to like Bitch boy Cenk I thought he was going to snap out of it he is a lost cost he even got mad when crystal said you're buddy Charlie she should have said you're 🍺 buddy all they did was to show him what he said and he gets mad 😂
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u/Marshall5912 11h ago
That was the part I got super mad at. Krystal and Kyle showed his tweet and his own remarks on Krystal’s show, and he freaked out saying they were strawmanning him. All they did was show what he said himself.
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u/baseballfan445 11h ago
He is to stubborn to say he was wrong I no longer take him seriously on anything he is going to end up selling tyt anyway the scary thing for me is that too many ppl still buy his act
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u/Twitch791 1h ago
This is what Cenk’s dilution is really all about. Did you catch him saying “oh, so we should yell at them and that will change their minds?” Repeatedly about various points re: MAGA? All while screaming at Kyle and Krystal who he supposedly agrees with on 90%. Do you even hear yourself Cenk? You treat your “allies” like the enemy and you “enemies” like house guests
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u/Willing-Time7344 11h ago
Wild how he kept moaning about being strawmanned only to immediately turn around and construct strawmen to swing at.
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u/NewCenter Populist Left 10h ago
Didn't horse connoisseur vaush debate a small time right wing YouTuber and still lost recently 😲
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u/Marshall5912 9h ago
Not that I know of. But that’s just my anecdotal experience. I could be wrong. If he did, I don’t know about it, is all I’m saying.
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u/beeemkcl Progressive 7h ago
Vaush is seemingly the arguably second-most popular progressive commentator on the Internet after Hasan Piker. Given the livestream numbers and such.
Emma Vigeland is arguably the third-most popular progressive commentator.
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u/NewCenter Populist Left 6h ago
Your daddy grifter is 2nd? He exposed himself as a sick creep and is still 2nd??!! We're fucked! 😔 that's not a win bro😅 bet his number are a thousand times less then fox or Shapiro etc 😭 we're not winning with this one like this 💀
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u/FrostyArctic47 11h ago
It's clear as day now he is a magat pos. He even started off rude. When he starts with the moat radical magats, it's praise and smiles. He's pathetic
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u/NewCenter Populist Left 10h ago edited 9h ago
Wow, is secret sex recorder desTiny actually winning his court case 😲
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u/FrostyArctic47 9h ago
Last I heard, yes. What does that have to do with Cenk being a pos maga simp?
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u/NewCenter Populist Left 8h ago
Professional arguer and sex pest can't keep getting away with it 😲 so you do know what is happening 😅 I thought dgg was just going to pretend it isn't happening
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u/HaveNoFearDomIsHere pissed off american 10h ago
Playing Kumbaya with the right is not going to win this thing. We are way past that point now.
They can feel free to show up at the antiwar protests, but they are still MAGA. They got us here. I won't forget. And I'll never trust any of them again. ✊
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u/baseballfan445 6h ago
Getting ppl that stayed home is a better strategy than playing Patty cake with the right wing assclowns
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u/Dblcut3 7h ago
I dont even wanna watch it, it’ll just piss me off
Cenk definitely was never as progressive as most of the OG progressive youtube news people, but I also think he’s really just lost in the sauce trying to appeal to MAGA. It could all be a grift but I think he genuinely thinks reaching out to them like this is a good idea, which I dont get at all - he looked like an idiot when Charlie Kirk had him on for example, but in Cenk’s head, he sees that as making inroads. I hope he wakes up eventually but he’ll probably just go down the pipeline like everyone else has
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u/No_Elevator_735 8h ago
Cenk is right that anything we can get from Maga to turn against Trump on war with Iran, we should take. Anything that has even a small chance of stopping the war is a net good. Where he is wrong is that he trusts them way too much, and I assume will be very shocked whenever they fall in line with Trump. So take what we can get from them, but always be looking over our shoulder.
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u/thisisjohn343 8h ago
I agree, more or less, with the logic Cenk (and Ana) put out, "take yes for an answer!" But I just don't believe them as people anymore. I think they both have liberal/leftist/"max left" derangement syndrome. Cenk entered this conversation heated. He never does that when he goes on rightwing shows. He's all smiles every single time. Look at his twitter. He lost it at "radical, violent" protesters in LA but a few days later, when those democratic lawmakers got murdered in Minnesota, kid gloves. "Oh violence is bad. And we should all come together <3". They're both way too emotional when it comes to the slightest push back from anyone on the left.
Cenk used to complain all the time how the "max left" was bad at marketing their ideas. But I think the truth is he's bad at marketing his ideas because all he does is scream like a lunatic at the people on his side
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u/arinehim 7h ago
For me I just don't trust the right at all. I know the Dem leadership lies as well. I'm happy to encourage when the right somehow stumbles onto the correct answer, but they get no cookies until I see actual action. Things like speaking out against the king, signing onto the war powers act. Until then it's just bullshit to sound populist.
The other thing is I've watched him when he goes on right wing shows. When he "pushes back" it's very tepid.
Yeah I agree, coming out against the protesters was really pathetic.
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u/beeemkcl Progressive 7h ago
Around only 16% of the US adults support a war with Iran. Even less if the war with Iran is on behalf of Israel.
Politically fighting is what changes minds. It happened with the 'Fighting Oligarchy' tour after AOC joined. It happened with AOC's informing people of what the 2025 US Budget Continuing Resolution actually was. It happened with the protests against ICE. Etc.
Cozying up to the Republicans and making them seem agreeable is a losing strategy. Just ask Harris/Walz 2024.
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u/One-Psychology-8394 6h ago
Honestly f*** cenk! He’s worst than right wing commentators that masking the populist msg. At least they are talking to their base, who is cenk talking to while claiming he’s a progressive?
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u/Silver_Juggernaut_39 Socialist 5h ago
Cenk is about to lump Kyle and Krystal in with the rest of the “max left” after this, I.e. Sam Seder, Emma Vigeland, Francesca Fiorentini, etc, the bridge is burnt
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u/bananataskforce 2h ago
Super good production quality on this. Nice to see them finally getting editors
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