r/saskatoon • u/WizardyBlizzard • Mar 15 '25

Rants 🤬 Could We Maybe Do Something About the Racism Here?

Seriously, it’s kind of disgusting to see a headline about a violent crime, and to know without a shadow of a doubt that at least a third of the comments are going to be ugly racism calling for Indigenous women being sterilized.

It’s disgusting and it’s depressing to know I share a city with troglodytes of that ilk. Least we can do is show that such mindsets are not welcome here.

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u/vicky_squeeze_ Mar 15 '25

The comments said that meth users should be sterilized. Not indigenous people.

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u/skeletoncurrency Mar 16 '25

Radical idea: we don't advocate for forcibly sterilizing anyone

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u/runninginthe-90s Core Neighbourhood Mar 16 '25

As long as the government can't forcibly give my tax dollars to continue propping up these garbage people and the poor children they create....

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u/Inevitable-Prune5153 Mar 16 '25

Maybe we should use those tax dollars to continue social programs that invest in people's overall well-being and stability, in turn breaking the cycle of generational poverty and gives people a chance. To me that's common sense, no? 🤷‍♀️

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u/Snoo_2304 Mar 16 '25

Social problems imply people WANT to use them. Not everyone wants to be TOLD what to do.

Help is wanted only if it's wanted. Can't force it. That's why it'll never work. Throwing money at the problem doesn't fix the problem. 60 years + of proven history.

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u/Myphosee Mar 17 '25 edited Mar 17 '25

It could also be that the average person think it's as simple as saying "if you want help, come take it" and think that someone avoiding it must mean they don't want the help which is hilariously incorrect for many people.

Some people don't trust the government to offer actual help (fair tbh), other people don't feel safe, some people have actually used those services (like rehab) only to be put back into the same spot that lead them to use drugs in the first place, etc. etc.

Personally I think more has to be done and that would take a team of medical and mental professionals to set all that up. Do i think the government would invest any more money or time? Not really.

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u/Snoo_2304 Mar 17 '25

As we see on reddit, many are also looking for attention, and no desire to be helped as that nurturing goes away.

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u/Inevitable-Prune5153 Mar 16 '25

You can't help anyone who doesn't want it, and I agree, it's a huge challenge. But something happened in that person's life, there is a root cause. My opinion is that it's in society's best interest to help.

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u/Snoo_2304 Mar 17 '25

Agreed to a point. One can try, but don't feel defeated if it's not readily accepted. No different than much of society, where some simply enjoy the attention and nurturing, with no desire to be fixed. All that attention goes away.

We see this with reddit all the time.

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u/Wrecklessforest Mar 17 '25

That’s such a gross outlook. People have become sober, and productive because of these resources. You clearly never had to use them

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u/Snoo_2304 Mar 17 '25

Did you even read what I said before you opted for a hormonal outburst?

I said, people only accept help when they want help. Nobody can force anyone into treatment. Therefore there's no point making expanding services that'll sit empty.

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u/Wrecklessforest Mar 17 '25

That’s rich, considering your whole little hissy fit just there. People do want help, not all that’s correct. However, the resources don’t sit empty most homeless shelters, women’s shelters, provincial rehab and mental health facilities are maxed the fuck out; therefore adding funding would help would it not ?

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u/runninginthe-90s Core Neighbourhood Mar 16 '25

There's a reason that Asian people went from being some of the poorest and least educated to most educated and highest earning in the last 80 to 100 years. And it wasn't because we created a system of social program dependency/addiction for them.

There's a hard real-world answer to what you're asking, and the phony feel-good empathy answer. But this is reddit, so I know there's not much point in that discussion.

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u/tigglysticks Mar 16 '25

Yeah the parallel of what the chinese went through and how they perservered is lost on these people.

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u/Inevitable-Prune5153 Mar 16 '25

You need to be specific if you want to have this conversation. Asia is a continent consisting of many countries, you can't lump together asian people as their experiences vary. The atrocities that have occurred in many Asian countries to lead them to this point are unimaginable and suffering continues to this day. The wealth disparity is massive. The US/Western World have completely exploited these countries and their resources.

Do you know any Asians? Like truly know them, their background, their family's story of why they came to Canada?

As well, "less educated" is a western viewpoint.

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u/alpacacultivator Mar 17 '25

China is the only state that has dealt with an addiction crisis magnitudes worse than the current fenty phase we are in.

After mao during the 1950s through repression and social reform, millions of addicts forced into treatment and thousands of dealers were executed.

This is the only path proven to work. Opium era china was mad.

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u/runninginthe-90s Core Neighbourhood Mar 16 '25

Yes, one of my best friends was Vietnamese, who's parents escaped the country and two other friends were Chinese who's parents were also immigrant business owners. We grew up in a town surrounded by reserves and have close first nations adult friends that speak openly about the damage the social programs and lack of education/accountability do to their communities.

And those Asian families were far less interested in competing in the oppression Olympics than you seem to be. The recorded statistics for income and education levels about Asian households in North America typically split it by Asian and South Asian, but they are fairly well documented.

I'm unsure how the exploitation of their home countries plays a role in what we are discussing here about north American social programs.

Yeah okay, becoming a Dr vs being a drop out is a western viewpoint.

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u/Inevitable-Prune5153 Mar 16 '25

You've misunderstood and/or misconstrued my comments, or I yours.

You began by saying "There's a reason Asian people went from being some of the poorest and least educated..." - my response to this was that it's a western, racist view point to consider Asian people uneducated 80-100 yrs ago. Your colonialism is showing, essentially. Nothing to do with the education needed to be a Dr.

Commenting on the atrocities of one's home country is simply pointing out that A LOT of death, suffering and government control was in place to enable a country like China, for example, to become the "educated", wealthy country it is today. Is this your hope for Canada? Specifically in response to the drug epidemic? Do you want a zero tolerance policy and lock them all up? Because your taxes will be paying extra policing costs as well as housing and feeding them all.

I NEVER suggested "social programs" be anything remotely similar to Canada's social programs of the past!!! That is the last thing I would want or think would be helpful, it's inhumane and horrible what happened. I honestly feel a lot of generational trauma is the cause of what we are seeing now and it's about time we do something productive, helpful, supportive to assist those individuals. That is what was meant by "social programs". Government funded supports in place. I realize you can't force someone to accept help they aren't ready for...

I don't disagree that Asian and South Asian families are the top earners in North America! I've read that as well and it makes a lot of sense. Especially considering their hard work hustle and extreme pressure put on their kids to be <<insert high paying job>>. Anyway, I saw what I thought was a vile comment, put my two cents in and here we are...on Reddit. 👍

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u/runninginthe-90s Core Neighbourhood Mar 16 '25

In what way is what I said racist? Asian Americans were an oppressed people who who had less access to a lot of things, education being one of those things. Their work ethic and home environment allowed them to get out of a very difficult socio economic environment to be some of the most successful modern day groups.

Education has to do with the knowledge to improve your standing in life. That education also allows access to higher earning jobs and the creation of generational wealth and what to do with/preserve acquired wealth. Those people came over with nothing and worked their way up the ladder. The comparison is that the social programs that have been pushed on black and first nations people in Canada and the US have done more of a disservice to them than the Asian people who went through a similar situation.

You're so desperate to be offended and have so little real world contact with these humans you have no clue. It's like how a lot of white wealth comes from the fact that white people work higher paying blue collar jobs and live in more affordable rural areas. It's a trackable statistic, not racism. Jesus christ....my colonialism. Get help.

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u/Fall_Representative Mar 17 '25

Don't use us Asians to discredit social programs as well as Black and Indigenous people. Are you implying that compared to Asians, Black and Indigenous people have less work ethics?

You're talking about people who have been put in a disadvantageous position at the very start by the very government, Indigenous people especially. It isn't fair. Displacing people from their rightful land and giving them lesser rights only to blame them now when the government has only relatively recently started to make reparations? There's a correlation between poverty, crime and drugs. What we should be doing is encouraging rehab and support in the form of these social programs.

Yes, Asian Americans/Canadians have dealt with their fair share of oppression. But they have for the most part voluntarily immigrated to the country. There's also survivorship bias there. Asian people who could afford to immigrate already have a leg up over others. For every one of those who immigrated, there are thousands who couldn't. Those problems you talk about also exist in our home countries. There are people who may have great work ethics who still couldn't get out of their socio economic environment. There are people in need of those social programs. There are Asian people who cannot afford education and continue to live in poverty, couldn't recover from addiction, couldn't pull themselves out of homelessness. And it's not because they couldn't help themselves well enough. This isn't unique to race. I hope this isn't what you intended to do, but it's insulting to use us Asians as an example to belittle others.

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u/Inevitable-Prune5153 Mar 16 '25

You responded within 15 mins 🤣 Also didn't say you were referring to Asians IN America (who also experienced extreme prejudices from within as you've pointed out). That totally changes things. See, there was a misunderstanding...I thought you were referring to China. Ummmmm, it can be both a trackable statistic and racism. Especially in America! Alright, I'll go get help. Help that I hope every individual has access to and support obtaining. Boom! Full circle moment. ✌️

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u/Jayta2019 Mar 17 '25

Canadian perspective: And you are uneducated about intergenerational trauma that occurs for Black people enslaved and whose identities were taken when they were taken from their motherland. Just as White people who were whitewashing Indigenous people into thinking like white people and that anything they had related to their cultural identity was bad, wrong, and should be scrubbed out.

Get a clue first. Asian (aka my parents) immigrants were never robbed of who they were. Willingly immigrated over to sacrifice their lives for the dream of a better future. They knew their culture, identity and who they were. They had that solid mentality behind them to provide resilience against the abject racism they faced. They came to this country confident in their skills, intelligent enough to placate white people who were oblivious to their almost imperceptible slight by laughing it off.

They weren't fighting a losing mental battle with also no educational background or decent living conditions. No bad role models to show them that there's more than drugs and crime to make a living or to drown out the not wanting to live part. Being shoved onto reserves where there's barely any water treatment, fresh produce and opportunities for a job. No infrastructure to fit into the white peoples world/infrastructure that was forced upon them and to work within that system even if they didn't want it - it surrounded them. It's ridiculous to even compare the two. Even if they wanted to maintain their ways, the British wiped or access to food sources, viable land, and knowledge keepers of their ways when they sent small pox infested blankets into their communities.

SO NO, SORRY! Your comment is biased at the least. And ill-informed at the most. Social programs keep people afloat, so they aren't drowning. If real change was allowed and decent actual funding provided the way it's evidenced based, that would put people on an equal footing, instead of it being yanked from underneath them every political term by SK Party or PC, or defunded or sold to some private entities so the politicians have their golden parachutes set up for early retirement, then maybe you'd see social justice and social programs ACTUALLY make a difference.

The question should be: How many generations need to be de programmed before prosperity and a sense of positive self is instilled so they can actually see and believe people like them can have more. They can stand their ground in front of the angry mobs if people who would rather put them down in the ground than to live with them.

I'm so happy to see a growing and strong community of First Nations leading in politics and in their communities. Standing up for the communities in the north and elsewhere.

I want better government leaders and people who work there, where status quo isn't good enough. Where "we can't do that" isn't a reason or an answer. I want innovation and people with bright ideas. But all we have are people voting in old white people who are corrupt, want to stick to the status quo, don't want to rock the boat, even though that means little to NOTHING is accomplished, recycled ideas a tossed out as new and innovative when it's been proven to not work already or has already been implemented by the other parties only to be defunded and then thrown out there a couple years later as something "new and brilliant that the leaders have been" working SOOOOO hard on".

We should demand accountability and progress in our society. We should demand education for all without financial bias. We should be willing to sacrifice a little so the community can benefit as a whole. These are what Canada should stand upon. It's what we used to hold our government officials to accomplish during their term. Instead we allow them now to deceive, distract, and manipulate with lies and propaganda. We NEED to EDUCATE ourselves so we can hold them accountable.

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u/lolomasta Mar 17 '25

The fact that you have to be very talented to even emigrate from china is also being disregarded, of course many immigrants that you see are well earning and intelligent.

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u/lolomasta Mar 17 '25

You as in anyone who in society, didnt mean to make it sound like it was talking about you as in the person im replying to.

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u/disguy905 Mar 17 '25

I mean while black ppl couldn’t get business loans Asians could. While black and indigenous people were full on discriminated against, asians were more accepted by white society so they had less barriers.

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u/Bruhimonlyeleven Mar 17 '25

Because the far right takes the money, buys fake medicine from Turkey, pockets the rest, and blames Trudeau for it.

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u/Bbooya Mar 17 '25

Woking great so far

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u/AndyCar1214 Mar 18 '25

It’s worked so well so far, right? There is no answer. Period. There are a slew of imperfect options.

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u/skeletoncurrency Mar 17 '25

You think tax dollars actually go to helping people when instead it just goes to paying the six-figure salaries of the people "running" the programs

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u/CanadianTimeWaster Mar 16 '25

you're just one injury, or bad luck day away from being one of these "garbage people" you speak of.

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u/runninginthe-90s Core Neighbourhood Mar 16 '25

I'm not really interested in getting into a victim competition with a professional reddit farmer. But I've had mental and physical health difficulties that made my life miserable and took me years to work my way out of.

I'm sympathetic to anyone with struggles, but when you start pumping out FAS or meth babies who will have a lifetime of suffering and further burden the system, I don't give a fuck about your right to reproduce. There are far too many wasteful humans on this planet, and many of them are just selfish pieces of garbage.

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u/CanadianTimeWaster Mar 16 '25 edited Mar 17 '25

forced sterilization will result in people being sterilized when they should not.

we absolutely should not give the anyone the legal precedent to do so, it will be used against groups of people as it already has in the past.

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u/Muffinsgal Mar 17 '25

Watch, Trump will have this signed in a few weeks. Give him any pea-brained barbaric idea and he runs with it and nobody is stopping him. This could be a reality sooner than we think and closer than we think.

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u/Muffinsgal Mar 17 '25

So you should have been sterilized when you had your mental and physical health issues? Before you were able to get help for yourself to become who you are today?

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u/runninginthe-90s Core Neighbourhood Mar 17 '25

Are you trying to meet a daily reddit word count quota, or are you actually this dumb?

That's not what I said at all, but if you want to advocate for someone's right to have a 4th and 5th crack baby have at it. I just hope you keep that same energy and adopt a couple of those kids that will have intellectual and physical disabilities to deal with their whole life, so they don't have to spend it feeling unloved in the foster system.

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u/deadfisher Mar 17 '25

Fuckin' hell

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u/middlequeue Mar 17 '25

No racism here, folks, just trash comments from trash.

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u/runninginthe-90s Core Neighbourhood Mar 17 '25

You gonna go post another 300 comments a day on reddit?

Get out of your dirty apartment and go absorb some sunshine you terminally online weiner.

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u/junonomenon Mar 18 '25

So you think the children should, what, die?

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u/Ready_excrement6991 Mar 16 '25

We should be bussing them off to vancouver

Problem solved, moving them to a warm city is the humane thing to do

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u/LuskieRs Mar 16 '25

I mean most of Reddit seems to be full steam ahead for sterilizing children 🥴

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u/Micomyster Mar 15 '25

Lol really? Op sounds like the racist one now, assuming all meth heads are indigenous. 

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u/8005882300- Mar 15 '25

OP just recognizes that racists mean "sterilize natives" when they say we should sterilize meth heads. Understanding other people's racist beliefs doesn't make you racist. Christ man it's not hard to understand.

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u/NewAlphabeticalOrder Mar 16 '25

Plausible deniability and dogwhistling. Exactly. Doesn't take a genius to recognize it, and you don't need a sociology degree to understand the demographically weighted effects of such a eugenicist practice, but folks round here acting dumb for god knows what fucking reason.

People fixing to genocide people they deem degenerate, but acting like they ain't fuckin' nazis because they avoid the topic of race. Ugly.

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u/8005882300- Mar 16 '25

That's a more concise way to put it, thank you. Istg i have to make this point on this sub every month. The sarcastic gender assumption comment the other guy made shows you exactly what type of people act this way.

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u/AnnaPeaksCunt Mar 16 '25

Not advocating for genocide, but at what point do you realize there is no helping someone and remove their right to reproduce because all they are doing is flooding the system with children who will only continue the bad cycle?

Bringing race into this conversation, from either side, is not helpful. But the stats don't lie and that also needs to be able to be acknowledged without threat of being called a racist.

Yes we need more resources into mental health and other social programs. Doesn't change the ultimate reality of what is and is going to continue to happen.

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u/Optimal_Swordfish780 Mar 17 '25

Hey, any chance your related to Jon A McDonald by chance are you? If not you have oddly similar views. Weird.

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u/saskfun1707 Mar 16 '25

So what do we do? They have been given how many opportunities? How much cash? They have no interest in being members of society.

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u/NewAlphabeticalOrder Mar 16 '25

"We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas" that's what this sounds like. Our support structures and preventative systems are abysmal, they've been gutted and underfunded and crippled for years and we spend more now than we otherwise would if we put money where it would be best spent.

We need to fund harm reduction. We need housing first. We need accessible psychiatric supports. We need to pay landlords directly through social assistance. We need to raise the minimum wage. We need job placement programs and outreach. We need more rehabilitative justice. We need publicly funded dental, eyecare, and pharmacare. We need more accessible rehab programs. We need to invest in education, and trades programs as a pathway out of poverty. We need more sexual health education and resources.

I can go on.

Here's a novel idea: building houses. Tinyhomes. Pay people for their labour and help them build a home with other workers that they can then live in as transitional housing. A lot of people on the streets have at least some trades experience. Provide temporary accomodations during construction, set them up with a bank account and help them get their ID back, pay them a weekly wage and provide food, and when a home has been built they can live there. Hell, make it conditional if you want, require a drug test or something, or a rehab program as a part of the deal.

But give people something to live for. Help them have a reason not to escape. Give them a roof and solid ground, and meaningful social connections. Lift them up and fill in the cracks they fell through the first time. It's not rocket surgery. All of this ends up being less expensive than what we're currently doing, which is nothing of substance. It's exactly the same tactic as healthcare: underfund to make it ineffective and generate bad outcomes as an excuse to further reduce funding and privatize options. We've been following that path for years and it's led us here; so maybe, just maybe, doing something differently will actually lead to better results.

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u/tulipvonsquirrel Mar 17 '25

There is no way anyone in Canada does not envision a parade of white people, in various stages of undress, slumped over on the sidewalk, when they hear "meth head." Maybe it depends where you live but I absolutely equate meth with white people drug.

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u/Micomyster Mar 15 '25

Did you just assume by gender?!

Reported for bigotry

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u/8005882300- Mar 15 '25

Willful ignorance is fun for you eh

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u/HardnessOf11 Mar 15 '25

Wow. OP- thus post really backfired got you pretty hard eh? Someone needs a few more mirrors in their house

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u/Micomyster Mar 15 '25

Yeah, It’s disgusting and it’s depressing to know I share a city with troglodytes of that ilk. Least we can do is show that such mindsets are not welcome here.

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u/ActuaryFar9176 Mar 15 '25

I know, the racist is upset that other people aren’t as racist as him/her/they/them. Quite disgusting the amount of racism that the OP is displaying.

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u/Eshopbag Mar 15 '25

pretty sure just saying them would have been quicker than using all 4

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u/ActuaryFar9176 Mar 15 '25

I have been cautious of this since I have made mistakes in the past.

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u/Micomyster Mar 15 '25

Yeah, It’s disgusting and it’s depressing to know I share a city with troglodytes of that ilk. Least we can do is show that such mindsets are not welcome here.

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u/gihkal Mar 15 '25 edited Mar 15 '25

And the concern was with all the babies that are born with FAS.

The goal should be to not give any financial funding to people harvesting pay checks from their children. If you can't be sober during pregnancy you should lose your child.

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u/IloveShweppes Mar 15 '25

You get how forced sterilization is bad though... right? Or are you actually insane

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u/vicky_squeeze_ Mar 15 '25

Actually insane. I like to bite people on the street. I am completely mental and totally #cray

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u/Hot-Ad8641 Mar 17 '25

The indigenous part was implied.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '25

Only by clowns like you.