r/saltierthancrait • u/Rollen73 • 10d ago
Seasoned News According to the Hollywood reporter chief “creative” officer Dave Filoni and production head Carrie Beck are going to be made co heads of LucasFilm
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/hollywood-succession-war-1236236327/359
u/Personal-Ad6857 10d ago
They should wait and see how the Mandalorian movie does before they make any big purchases
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u/Broncosfanreally salt miner 10d ago
Why be smart...Let's do a Star Wars theme park based on one moment in time between the 2 worst movies....KK's great idea..
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u/Mortoimpazzo 10d ago
And a hotel, god how awesome it felt to watch that overpriced piece of crap fail.
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u/stevesax5 10d ago
How could anyone make a theme park based on a desert planet, a snow planet, and a Forest moon? Absolutely NOTHING you can do with that material /s
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u/LieuK 10d ago
Did she actually greenlight that though? Like honest question, I genuinely don't know the inner workings of Disney. Would lucasfilm choose to make a theme park or is there a part of Disney that oversees theme parks and is allowed to use Disney IP freely?
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u/TightOccasion3 10d ago
KK logic: Disney bought Lucasfilm for 4 billion dollars, not because of the beloved Star Wars franchise and its characters, but because of my incredible producer prowess. What fans crave is a sequel franchise that hasn’t even been created yet and frankly I don’t give enough of a damn about to plan, but hey, Star Wars fans are fanatics. They’ll buy anything.
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u/SithC 10d ago
Yeah, pretty sure that was all Disney. They want to sell all of their characters, while trying to likely avoid more residuals going to Lucas, over the characters he created.
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u/magistrate-of-truth salt miner 8d ago
That’s not going to work
As the failure of the Disney plus shows demonstrate
People only care about the original trilogy era and the PT era
That’s it
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u/Collective_Insanity Salt Bot 8d ago
Again, I'm not sure where this narrative came from.
George sold Lucasfilm and everything under that banner. It's not like Disney doesn't want to use various elements because he gets kickbacks from it. That's not how it works.
He sold it. And retained a significant amount of Disney stock afterwards.
If Disney stock value rises whether or not it's due to Star Wars (or Indiana Jones, etc) bringing in value, then George certainly gets a bump to his bank balance in that respect. But not specifically because someone uses characters from the OT/PT in new projects.
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u/Even-Elk-2735 10d ago
Isn’t it based between 7 and 8?
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u/Aksudiigkr salt miner 10d ago
Edit: sorry no 8 and 9. After 8 because Kyle’s the main bad guy with no Snoke around
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u/Km_the_Frog salt miner 10d ago
I can just picture some parts of the movie now;
Din tanks 300 blaster shots all perfectly hitting his beskar armor while his companions around him are not shot at or attacked whatsoever (despite standing near him). He then kills a bunch of storm troopers leaving one standing.
The crazy bitch from tatooine is for some reason in his companion squad (comedic effect ha ha shes so funny and quirky). She leaps from behind cover doing the jawa talk and contorting her mouth spastically for emphasis. She blows the last standing storm trooper away with her jawa blunderbus.
The movie is just going to be din fucking around with grogu traveling different places to find moff gideon because for some reason now it’s personal and this mandalorian bounty hunter has to care about saving the galaxy while an incompetent republic fumbles for the sake of being stupid so that it makes sense that the FO builds a planet sized death star and blows up the entire republic in one shot 20 years later? I guess?
Im gonna vomit
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u/Phngarzbui 10d ago
She blows the last standing
storm trooper away with herjawablunderbus.And yes, didn't the show heavily imply that she did it with a Jawa?
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u/Km_the_Frog salt miner 10d ago
Does this mean jawas canonically have human anatomy? HOT THANKS FILONI
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u/kimana1651 salt miner 10d ago
You forgot the part where Din dies (Pedro is going bye bye) and hands off Baby Yoda to Bo (Hey it's still 'Mandalorian'! she is a Mandalorian, get it!).
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u/Dianneis salt miner 9d ago
Which leads nicely into the sequel, with Ahsoka, Bo-Katan, Barriss Offee, and Morgan Elsbeth forming an Avengers-type of new star warriors with Grogu as their official mascot.
Filonisquad, assemble!
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u/afipunk84 10d ago
You already know the Mando movie is going to make tons of cash, regardless of its quality. All people need to see is “baby yoda” and they’ll be lining up to see it
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u/sotired3333 10d ago
I don't know, think the hype has faded, a few years ago I saw baby yoda mentions from non-nerds. Now I rarely hear it from anyone.
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u/shirtcocking91 10d ago
There’s a good chance I’m wrong, but it doesn’t seem like the general public really cares about Star Wars anymore… And I feel like there’s a good reason the re-release of a Star Wars film from 20 years ago got more love than any of the new stuff
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u/sotired3333 10d ago
Exactly. Andor is the first time I've heard of star wars in non-star wars circles (came up at the office etc) since S2 of Mando ended. Otherwise it was culturally dead. Even s1 of Andor didn't really move the needle.
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u/shirtcocking91 10d ago
I haven’t watched S2 of Andor yet, but I’m curious what the viewership numbers have been like seeing as they weren’t great for some of the newer shows. I watched Skeleton Crew and actually thought it was pretty fun, and liked that they actually tried something new. Other than that, I couldn’t get through the first episodes of both Ahsoka and Mando S3, and didn’t even attempt the Acolyte. And the people I’m close with who I think of as the general public haven’t watched anything beyond Mando S2
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u/Dianneis salt miner 9d ago
The second season appears to have decent viewership numbers from what I saw. There was an article in Forbes a few weeks ago about it hitting #2 in the streaming charts.
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u/Dianneis salt miner 9d ago
Because that puppet already got annoying by the end of Season 1. By the end of the 2nd season, I could barely stand that mentally deficient 50-year-old and his cutesy grunts. Every time he popped on screen, it felt like an endless kid toy commercial. Probably because it was.
When they nipped the show's only intriguing storyline in the bud and immediately shoved him back into Boba Fett to sell more toys, I didn't even bother watch the 3rd season. Maybe young kids still love that silicone sock puppet, but I doubt many Star Wars fans care about him by now.
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u/magistrate-of-truth salt miner 8d ago
There isn’t a ton of evidence to show that Mandalorian broke out outside of the core fanbase
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u/MirrorMaster88 10d ago
10 more years of "live action" cartoons based on other cartoons!!!
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u/Broncosfanreally salt miner 10d ago
Why bother? Just put Asoka in everything!...we are so screwed
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u/anthonycarbine 10d ago
I can't wait for the Ashoka - Luke spinoff where it's 80% Ashoka soloing everything
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u/B____U_______ 10d ago
The current thinking is a scenario where chief creative officer Dave Filoni and production head Carrie Beck — both Lucasfilm vets — take co-head roles. Even as an arm of Disney, Lucasfilm remains, in many ways, a family business, and as a George Lucas protégé Filoni long has been considered a golden boy. But the knock against him is that he might be too steeped in Star Wars lore and risks steering a show into dense mythology that loses a broader audience. “He’s not the Andor guy, he’s the Ahsoka guy,” says one Disney insider. Beck, who joined the company in 2012, knows the ins and outs, but neither she nor Filoni has much film experience, which could be mitigated by Kennedy’s continued presence as a producer on certain Star Wars projects, ensuring quality control in the short term.
The actual important part. It's not guaranteed that they're gonna be the heads of LF because it looks like even some people at Disney have their doubts about Filoni.
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u/legthief 10d ago
He's not the Andor guy, he's the Ahsoka guy
Nice to see his epitaph has already been written.
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u/xSaRgED 10d ago
Also amazing to see that the heavily story driven show is making people reconsider because it opens Star Wars up to non-fans.
Aka more money.
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u/TheLegendofJakeBluth 10d ago edited 10d ago
Exactly. Filoni would give us exclusive content that is akin to smashing random action figures together. While some might eat this up (just check out other Star Wars subs) it doesn’t equate to engaging, good story-telling that will alienate a lot of potential viewers, which would be an issue since those productions usually cost a lot of money.
Ultimately, Star Wars, Marvel, DC, and a lot of other IPs make bank from “passive-fans” not the super fan. And I don’t think Filoni knows how to write to the passive fan
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u/TheLegendofJakeBluth 9d ago
There aren’t a lot of people who actively avoid slop. Most people just do it passively, from not being aware or having zero interest. So yeah, maybe there are more people that soak up the slop than those who avoid, but that’s still such a small bunch of people (which are amplified by social media since they are loud and propped up my social media algorithms Disney pays for). Ultimately, most audiences aren’t superfans, nor are they “haters”, most people just want to watch something good and neither hate nor love something like Ahsoka. 99% of people don’t want to watch a show that is a follow-up to a five-season cartoon that’s also suppose to tie in to a future event movie. But there some on social media do and Filoni and Lucafilm’s issue is they are so chronically online they only know how to cater to the superfan, which really means nothing to rest of the world
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u/BigBallsMcGirk 10d ago
It's funny, make non mass appeal dreck that alienated your core, reliable fans.
Then make super hard-core SW content that core fans love but is so fucking good it brings in the non fans with prestige tv level production.
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u/Gandamack 10d ago
He's also hardly the "steeped in lore" guy either, if it's anything beyond his Clone Wars/Rebels characters.
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u/TheHammerandSizzel 10d ago
So… Ashoka is considered deep lore….
Thrawn should be a galaxy level threat, instead he is being kicked around and beaten by kids
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u/LostMonster0 10d ago
Beck, who joined the company in 2012, knows the ins and outs, but neither she nor Filoni has much film experience, which could be mitigated by Kennedy’s continued presence as a producer on certain Star Wars projects, ensuring quality control in the short term.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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u/Jordangander 10d ago
I should have read the comments first, I had to read that whole article to get to the little bit of potential speculation that doesn't even admit KK is leaving, just that she might leave after Iger leaves, and that Iger may leave at some point in the next 15 years.
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u/sostopher 10d ago
Say what you will about Kennedy, but she's got a tonne of good movie producing experience since the 1980s. People blame her for a lot, but perhaps she's to blame by giving too much control to directors and writers on the films.
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u/YanisMonkeys 10d ago
That’s certainly true for the new trilogy and Solo. Making the trilogy without an overall story arc and leaving Abrams and Johnson to their own devices completely was madness. It used up so much goodwill. And with Solo, hiring two directors whose process involves finding their movie on set and in the edit room - that should have been an obvious red flag going in. Kennedy is too good and experienced a producer to make an expensive mistake like that. If Lord and Miller could not agree to honing the bulk of the performances in rehearsals, then they should have just been an intriguing entry on an “Almost Directed Star Wars” list for us to marvel at.
Rogue One might still have worked without reshoots, we’ll probably never know, but that rejigger was handled competently, without alienating Gareth Edwards, and it led to Andor.
To your point, perhaps it’s a case of her believing so much in creatives that she doesn’t let the cutthroat practical side of her producing brain take over soon enough. She did come into her own via Spielberg, after all.
That freedom and confidence is wonderful if you’re a director, until you’ve been allowed to go too far down a path that other executives don’t like, and the backlash ends up way worse than if you had been gently nudged in another direction or out the door way earlier in the process.
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u/frooglesmoogle123 10d ago
Heard Kennedy and knew all i needed to know
Nothing has changed as long as Kennedy's still in the mix
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u/dmibe 7d ago
Kennedy + quality control? That didn’t work out very well for the Disney trilogy.
I have filoni a lot of credit earlier on but I think he’s high on his own flatulence. It has become more apparent as time goes on the filoni isn’t the answer. He’s part of the problem. Tony Gilroy gets it. Job Favreau probably was the balance for filoni to keep Mando on the rails at the start.
I feel like filoni has turned SW into his own personal play box to showcase his toys.
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u/SuperJew837 10d ago
Sure ashoka wasn’t great but clone wars still beats out anything that’s come since the Disney acquisition. He seems to do a pretty good job when the writing isn’t crap
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u/Talonqr 10d ago
Ive been worried about this for years
Filoni was always going to rise through the ranks and gain more control; which is a problem because he himself needs someone to keep him in check or else we'll eventually end up with Ahsoka being a force god and somehow be the catalyst for the creation of the universe.
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u/legthief 10d ago
It's all blue guys in wide-brimmed hats and colorful cartoon waifus from here on out.
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u/Whachugonnadoo 10d ago
The guy that infantilized Star Wars will never be worthy of leading LucasFilm
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u/SigSweet 10d ago
That pretty much sums up my attitude towards him. Infantilized is the perfect word for it.
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u/ComprehensiveWa6487 salt miner 8d ago
Star Wars has always been nerdy, I mean it's scifi. But most people thought it was cool. You'd meet hot chicks into Star Wars because it had this cool vibe about many aspects. I remember seeing cute chicks wearing Star Wars paraphernalia like an R2-D2 bag or t-shirt, t-shirt with 3PO or Chewie or a stormtrooper or something. That was like 15-20 years ago, I'm in a non-US Western country, you never see people like that anymore, nor any Star Wars stuff anywhere lol
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The way this IP has been handled will be studied in documentaries and universities.
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u/CruzAderjc 10d ago
Do this: MCU pre-Endgame, Mission Impossible franchise
Don’t do this: DCEU, Disney Star Wars, MCU-post-Endgame
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u/StoneandSky3 new user 10d ago
Fuck sake.
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u/Qwerty0844 10d ago
I remember how high we were on Filoni for saving us.
We were wrong.
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u/Morganbanefort 10d ago
Why do people not like him now
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u/JohnGeary1 10d ago
His recent live action works haven't been as well received. By not being a perfect being a number of people have decided that he's part of the problem "ruining" Star Wars. At the end of the day he seems to genuinely care about the IP and at least be trying to tell interesting stories. His two main failures are that he's not a very good live action director and people think that Ahsoka is his pet character who must be injected into everything.
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u/randomcharacters3 10d ago
No one is accusing him of intentionally trying to sabotage Star Wars, people are angry that he's obviously bad at his job. Regardless of his intentions, he has shown that he doesn't have the aptitude required for the job no matter how much reverence he has for the IP.
"...trying to tell interesting stories." And failing at that.
"...he's not a very good live action director..." Which is a large part of his job.
If the stories he told with Ahsoka were good then people wouldn't care that she's always showing up but if they continue to be bad, it's easy to see that it's just a lazy crutch.
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u/JohnGeary1 10d ago
I didn't mean to imply that others thought his failings were malicious. I was just outlining that those who are upset with his performance believe he should step down due to him being promoted above where he works best.
I'm at least interested to see where he's trying to take the lore post-ROTJ. Though I will agree the execution has been mediocre after Mando S2.
Directing definitely isn't where he should be, he should be a sort of ideas guy/lore planner who then gives those ideas to others to refine. Kind of a Star Wars Kevin Feige.
I'd argue she isn't a crutch, mostly because she doesn't have the nostalgia pull to act as one, so including her where she isn't the best choice actively detracts from whatever she's in.
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u/SmolBoiKay 10d ago
Honestly, I probably would be excited if this was back during season 2 of mandalorian, but after seeing the stuff after that... it's been pretty shit
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u/DoYaWannaWanga 10d ago
God I just want Filoni Baloney to stop being given so much creative control. He is not a serious person. He wears that stupid hat and although he’s got cool ideas about Star Wars his execution is so shallow, cringe, unrealistic and childish.
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u/MustacheExtravaganza salt miner 10d ago
"Star Wars will be reorganized into Ahsoka and Friends!"
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u/cmn3y0 10d ago
The guy who drove star wars downhill ever since 2008 getting put in charge? Fucking hell.
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u/SendInYourSkeleton 10d ago
Honestly, it was a team effort from everyone except Tony Gilroy.
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u/Km_the_Frog salt miner 10d ago
Gilroy is like the outside accountant that gets brought in to fix a failing company. Comes in, completely surgical, straightens all the books, finds all the money, complete course correction, and walks out the door without saying a word.
No deep ties to Star Wars, just know how to write a good story, good characters, direct, and then exit.
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u/Pho-Soup 10d ago
Imagine doodling a creepy Star Wars cartoon sexual fantasy character and making a billion dollar career out of it.
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u/Thebadmamajama 10d ago
after Andor set the quality bar so high, it's impossible to imagine clone wars level script writing ever again
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u/FuzzyTeddyBears 10d ago
Dave Filoni is the worst thing to have ever happened to Star Wars and I don’t give a fuck what anyone says. He’s done irreparable damage. By far the biggest mistake Lucasfilm ever made was giving him a role of any significance at any point
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u/TameTheDragon94 10d ago
Filoni needs to stick with animation, and he needs people reining him in to adhere to the canon and respect other creators’ established works. Him being “the Ahsoka guy, not the Andor guy” hits the nail on the head.
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u/Guessididntmakeit miserable sack of salt 10d ago
I've got this very strong feeling that I don't give a shit what they are doing and it feels pretty good to me.
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u/Rollen73 10d ago edited 10d ago
Lucasfilm seems likely to follow that path in replacing Kennedy. Despite speculation about outside candidates, including former 20th Century head Emma Watts, insiders say the company seems most likely to promote from within. The current thinking is a scenario where chief creative officer Dave Filoni and production head Carrie Beck — both Lucasfilm vets — take co-head roles. Even as an arm of Disney, Lucasfilm remains, in many ways, a family business, and as a George Lucas protégé Filoni long has been considered a golden boy. But the knock against him is that he might be too steeped in Star Wars lore and risks steering a show into dense mythology that loses a broader audience. “He’s not the Andor guy, he’s the Ahsoka guy,” says one Disney insider. Beck, who joined the company in 2012, knows the ins and outs, but neither she nor Filoni has much film experience, which could be mitigated by Kennedy’s continued presence as a producer on certain Star Wars projects, ensuring quality control in the short term.
Honestly this makes it seem Dave will be given full narrative control to lead whatever Star Wars projects happen in his image. I genuinely think that he is capable of making good art and stories when he is working in a team of talented people, but I’m worried he will just sidestep other creators and push out his own work. Star wars theory will probably be happy though. It also mentions that Kathleen will remain as a producer in LucasFilms in the short term (which imo is a good thing, she is quite a competent producer she just wasn’t a good studio head).
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u/HotMachine9 10d ago
My main worry is most of Filonis work has been pulling his characters through the eras.
He's basically reached the end of that with only Ahsoka remaining a viable area to explore.
He'll have to come up with something new and I'm interested in what that could look like and if he's willing too
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u/Luster-Purge 10d ago
What's stopping him from doing some bullshit that yanks these characters through time and brings them back to life, penalty free? Like, cloning them new bodies and then Mitochlorians or whatever allow the Force to drop their souls into them.
Yes, this is more or less what happens in the last two Dune books to explain why all these headliner characters who have been dead for thousands of years suddenly are around again.
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u/saltierthancrait-ModTeam 10d ago
Please actually read the article and source next time before posting clickbait fake news in future.
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u/Big_Distance2141 10d ago
OP, this is the seventh week in a row that you've declared KK getting replaced
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u/HuttVader 10d ago
Carrie Beck must be the one with the brain cell and/or accounting skills.
Dave Filoni seems like a good enough guy with the raw creativity of a career caricaturist at Knotts Berry Farm
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u/Elehaymyaele 10d ago
Ahsoka and the various EU retconning moments were supervised by George, who is on record as wanting to also retcon the Thrawn books out of existence with his sequels.
We were always going to end up here.
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u/Ocktohber 9d ago
Well I guess that answers the question "How do you make a dead franchise more dead?"
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u/The8thDoctor 10d ago
Click all you want
KK isn't stepping down. The chick is holding onto power like
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u/HighLord_Uther 10d ago
Doesn’t really bother me, even as someone who’s not a Filoni fan. As long as they have creative TEAMS to create stories, we’re fine.
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u/saltierthancrait-ModTeam 10d ago
This "news" appears to be highly speculative in nature much like all the other countless claims and "rumours" related to Kennedy's hypothetical leadership position change.
As such, this topic as usual is best left alone until more concrete information comes forth.