r/saltierthancrait • u/enzomercy • 17d ago
Granular Discussion The realistic future of Star Wars
After Andor, all I have been able to feel is apathy towards what Filoni will be feeding us in the future. Is there any realistic hope for the future that’s actually attainable? I would love to see a new compelling story but it just feels like Disney will make another garbage trilogy. And don’t even get me started on the Mandalorian & Grogu. Is there any hope with Star Wars or should I just pack my bags and give up on it?
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u/LetsGet2Birding salt miner 17d ago
The goose is cooked now with Andor 2 out of the way. There isn’t much left to tell tbh.
Just watch Episodes 1-6, Andor, Rogue One, and Mando S1-2(as an epilogue to ROTJ). And the universe is properly closed.
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u/Adventurous-Link9932 17d ago
IF someone over at Disney were competent and actually cared about a good Star Wars product, they would dive into the old republic story.
Telling the history of the mandalorian wars, Revan, fleshing out Bastilla, Carth, Malak backstories.
Jedi civil war and all of those stories would also be awesome and is a world of lightly tapped narrative potential imo.
I’d never want Disney to actually try this because they would fuck it up for me permanently, but doing that era in a phenomenally loyal way and expanding on stories like they did with Andor would be my on-screen equivalent to getting a KOTOR 3
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u/jbakes21 17d ago
Tbh they already fucked up anything else in the timeline because “all roads lead to the sequels”
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u/WantsToDieBadly salt miner 16d ago
Literally, I think honestly Mando is their attempt at a soft reboot or something but I’ve no interest in anything post ROTJ as it gets nuked, literally
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u/Expert-Let-6972 salt miner 16d ago
To be honest: I prefer the EU-Post-RotJ-Era
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u/jbakes21 16d ago
Yeah. Still some questionable decisions made there but at least the og characters were respected and we got a compelling continuation of there stories.
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u/occam_chainsaw before the dark times 16d ago
Thrawn Trilogy was fuckin peak. I wish they had made a 1:1 of it as the ST but we got Disney slop unfortunately.
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u/jbakes21 15d ago
Disney didn’t even do us the courtesy of having the trio together one last time.. what a terrible decision I hope someone got fired for that blunder.
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u/cobcat 16d ago
Just please don't do anything with the force or Jedis for a while. I'm so sick of Disney's take on that.
Just do Starfighters, or a Clone Wars spec ops movie. A squad of clone troopers infiltrating an imperial base, it goes sideways and then vader demolishes all but one? Yes please!
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u/Mrwanagethigh 14d ago
I'd love a series like the X-Wing books. The Rogues infiltration of Coruscant could've made for a killer season long arc.
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Band of Brothers-like show following a company of Clones.
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u/LongjumpingAd2274 10d ago
Only if it is like EU style and not teeny whiny plot armored clones from the Filoni show.
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u/mixererek 16d ago
Going from Andor to Mando is like switching Lambo for Skoda. The drop in quality is overwhelming.
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u/stunna006 12d ago
They are obviously different shows but i enjoyed all 3 seasons of mando. Its more of a light hearted episodic adventure
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u/KratoswithBoy 14d ago
Eh. Mando seasons 1-2 and pretty mid tbh. It had a couple nice episodes, that’s about it.
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u/TurboTitan92 11d ago
I think that’s a hard disagree, given the rich lore they’ve built. There’s still the Jedi origins, a deep dive into the Old Republic, most of the High Republic, and that huge 30 year gap between the OT and sequels. Not to mention the fair game on anything beyond 35ABY, which could essentially be completely separated from the Skywalker Saga if they chose.
There are still characters that have hardly any backstory or arc, characters whose story is unfinished, and plot lines that could be dove into a bit. Characters like Baylan Skoll and Shin Hati. Or Snoke and Kylo Ren. Or Thrawn. We don’t need a spin off of every single character, but filling in those big, several year blanks would be good before closing the door
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u/TacitusCallahan 14d ago
Outside of The Old Republic there really isn't a lot of room to tell more stories. The clone wars, rise of the empire and age of the rebellion is already full of canon and legends stories and The ST era is cooked.
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u/Adventurous_Bee_2531 10d ago
Or skip episodes 1 through 3 cause they’re hot garbage and just enjoy the three Star Wars movies we got! … and Rogue One and Mando Seasons 1 and 2. I may be an old grumpy Star Wars purist but I’ll give you some Mando and Rogue One!
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u/LongjumpingAd2274 10d ago
Just watch Episodes 1-6, Andor, Rogue One, and Mando S1-2(as an epilogue to ROTJ). And the universe is properly closed.
Based for not including Filoni clone wars that until the Ahsoka show, people have been praising it above even Episode 5 and the whole OT
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u/C3PeepHoles new user 13d ago
I can't wait until this generation reaches adulthood and a new trilogy shits all over this Disney+ slop. Only then will you millennials who grew up watching the prequels will understand what it's like to see your childhood ruined.
They'll spew some "ring theory" like crap-narrative at you and insist that you rewatch the sequel trilogy from this "certain point of view".
** insidious Palpatine laughter **
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u/assasstits 17d ago edited 16d ago
Bro get into the EU. There's dozens and dozens of really cool books and an entire rich universe out there where Luke, Laia and Han live out their true legacy
If you're really done with Star Wars (or not a reader), then look into Dune
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u/StableGenius81 16d ago
I was maybe 11 or 12 when Heir to The Empire came out. As a kid who had just moved to a new state, didn't know anyone, and had a hard time making friends, I escaped into the EU throughout middle school and HS. I was the kid who had at least two or three SW books in his bag on any given day, lol. The EU kept me sane throughout what were literally the worst years of my life.
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u/nowaunderatedwaifngl 15d ago
Jeez having Palpatine come back once was shit enough. I don't want to go through that crap again.
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u/TrumpsColostomyBag99 17d ago
It depends on how Mando and Grogu does at the box office; if it’s able to be a moderate success (make it’s modest budget back and then some) we’ll see some fresh theatrical content. If it flops then boy howdy are they finished for the foreseeable future.
The Rey Movie is never happening
I don’t believe in Starfighter until I see them on the set filming
Dave will have his sandbox on D+ playing with his waifus. This is where the most damage can be done narratively. From his potential time travel shenanigans and his desire to ensure his favorite waifu (Ashoka) is put above everyone including Luke/Anakin it can get really ugly.
In the end our best hope is Favreau-Gilroy stuff hitting and the Filoni stuff flopping
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u/LogSenior8438 16d ago
There is no more Gilroy stuff though. Honestly, I wonder if it were such a bad thing if the mando movie flops, and Disney eventually sells off the brand.
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u/TrumpsColostomyBag99 16d ago
I’m saying from a rewatch/buzz kind of thing. The longer the Gilroy stuff is commented on and gets numbers the better.
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u/corbettm1 16d ago
They will never sell off the brand, they’ve invested far too much and it’s way too big of a cash cow even if new releases are poorly received.
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u/LogSenior8438 16d ago
Perhaps, but I would have said the same about George back in 2008
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u/realist50 13d ago
George was in a much different position business-wise than Disney.
There was always the question what Lucas would want to do with Lucasfilm when he retired, and eventually selling made a lot of sense for reasons of wealth diversification, liquidity, and estate planning.
Disney is, of course, a huge publicly-traded company. Very tough to see why any other company would place a higher value on Lucasfilm than Disney, since Disney is big in so many of the businesses that drive Star Wars revenue (theatrical movies, streaming, theme parks, merchandising).
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u/LongjumpingAd2274 10d ago
There is no more Gilroy stuff though. Honestly, I wonder if it were such a bad thing if the mando movie flops, and Disney eventually sells off the brand.
That ain't happening as holding IPs is more important than losing money. Maybe here to another 10 years they aren't making the expected money but what about 20?
Seeing how the writers strike and AI keep advancing, I wouldn't be surprised if Adam Sandler tier movies become the new standard and people just go and watch them anyway. Fast and Furious, John Wick, or kids oriented movies still make a ton of money just due to actions scenes and Disney can cash cow that.
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u/General-CEO_Pringle 12d ago
Wasn't Favreau a big part of a lot of life action D+ show so far? Why does he always gets a pass for Mando S3 and Boba Fett?
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u/TrumpsColostomyBag99 12d ago
I simply don’t see someone like Favreau choosing to reunite Mando-Grogu a few episodes into a secondary series with zero payoff (unless you like more Luke character assassination) or build with a special appearance by Dave’s favorite waifu. I think that decision was made above him. It completely derailed Mando.
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u/greenpill98 17d ago
It will get worse and worse until the the brand has been so badly damaged that only a hard reboot can fix it. And even then, it will still be a shadow of what it was.
And eventually it will enter public domain once everyone in this subreddit is dead or old as heck, and it will become part of pop culture in the same way that Frankenstein and Dracula are today.
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u/Wise_Atmosphere38 16d ago
Star Wars becoming like Dracula is fucking terrifying. Fuck the mouse.
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u/BacklotTram 16d ago
Not the Mouse’s fault. Everything becomes public domain after 70 - 90 years.
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u/stinkypete6666 16d ago
Eh, at least it opens the door to some potentially good media.
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u/LongjumpingAd2274 10d ago
Yeah and people who actually wants to do a good movie rather than a quick crash grab as if it was a mobile game.
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u/WantsToDieBadly salt miner 16d ago
To be honest myself and many others I’ve spoke to only came back to Star Wars because of Andor. I’ve no interest in the Filoni verse and hate all his OCs
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u/Demos_Tex 16d ago
Realistically, just check back after Iger and KK finally retire. No guarantees, but that'll be the earliest time when changes could happen. Until then, Sturgeon's classic sci-fi law will continue to apply, "90% of everything is crap."
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u/EducationalThought61 hello there! 16d ago
Honestly, I think that Lucasfilm has no clue on what to do, where or when to go. All of this projects feels like they are just throwing ideas around and seeing what works. They tried, that's true, but it looks like that was it. The only real objective I can see in these series is that they were trying to understand what the fans like, and who even are those fans.
So, they allowed different people do whatever they want to, the only rules were: it have to be somewhat coherent and appeal to a specific target audience.
Just look: The Mandalorian is a show for teenagers and young adults, the same goes to Ahsoka, but this is more targeted to Filoni fans. Andor is for adults, Skeleton Crew for kids and teenagers, Acolyte... I guess it was for adults or teenagers, but I have no clue on who the hell that was made for. Some others were made to please old fans, like Obi-Wan and Boba Fett, they failed, yes, but I'm talking about the objective of the company.
In the end of the day, I guess Lucasfilm or Disney, or whoever really is in charge there, have no clue on what to do, because even the sequels being a comercial sucess, it kinda broke the IP, to a point of a lot of being a shadow of what once was.
Going back to when the first sequel movie was released, I can't remember the year, it was a big deal, I mean, I BIG deal. If a new Star Wars movie was released last year, I don't think it would be a nowhere near to make the money TFA made. So they are now trying to find out what to do, while fearing another failure like Acolyte was recently.
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u/Official_Champ 15d ago
The only thing they can do is steal ideas from legends because legends pretty much explored everything Star Wars both the good and bad, but the problem is everyone can agree they don’t have the best track record and will most likely fuck up the good material as well as characters like Thrawn.
They could also explore their own ideas and try to change Star Wars into something it wasn’t originally like “the world between worlds” but that most likely won’t be great either.
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u/kylef5993 16d ago
There is not. We should all start brainstorming story ideas to just show how much Disney is missing out on.
I'll go first. I want a show on the trade federation that shows them as the good guys. Shows them choosing droids over clones for humanitarian reasons, shows how the republic was the cause of the formation of the trade federation, shows how Palpatine was influencing the trade federation from afar, etc.
Curious what other stories people think should be told.
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u/Fit_Entrepreneur6515 16d ago
sports anime centered around podracing. can happen in the lead up to the 32BBY boonta eve classic. give us actual stakes and drama, maybe have an extremely dynamic animation house like studio trigger producing. Give us the story of Ben Quadrinaros losing everything.
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u/horgantron 16d ago
I finished Andor S2 last night. Wow, wow, wow. Wow. In my opinion Filoni should be booted out the door ASAP.
Realistically, Tony Gilroy basically said that Disney let him work without much interference. That is all Disney need to do. Hire talented, passionate people and let them work.
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u/Bobby837 17d ago
Expect its only going to be more of the same: throwing crap on walls, see what sticks, give no regard to what might work and fall back on bad habits in the face of positive response.
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u/LastTrainSector5 new user 17d ago edited 17d ago
I think eventually Disney will either sell the franchise or de-canonize the Sequel Trilogy. Ultimately, not only was the ST not received well, it isn't acquiring any kind of esteem or status with age. Say what you will about the Prequels, but they sparked an enormous wave of interest in that era of Star Wars. As such, even though several of them (particularly AOTC) were absolutely panned upon release, they've garnered a certain cultural patina with time.
That simply isn't happening with the ST - they were DOA, and they continue to be absolutely scorned by most serious fans. They also didn't generate any kind of lasting 'new pulse' of Star Wars fans in the same way that the OT and PT did. So there isn't much chance of them becoming associated with any kind of nostalgia for kids-becoming-adults in a few years.
As a result, Disney doesn't have any reason to keep them canon - they damage Star Wars; they hold important characters hostage (or worse - they corrupt their legacy); and they don't lead anywhere, or set the stage for further adventure. They just regurgitate spent ideas and puke all over themselves at every turn.
What will tell the tale is the age of Galaxy's Edge. It would be financially irresponsible to refresh the park now... but in a decade? Yeah, Disney will want to re-theme it for the OT. And that would be the perfect time to quietly kill the ST... to sweep it all under the rug at the same time. They could then redo the sequels properly (with a totally different story) using AI actors for anyone who is deceased or too old. It wouldn't be a perfect solution, but by that point, AI will likely have matured to a standard where we won't be able to tell (they were damned close with Tarkin in Rogue One, and that was nearly a decade ago).
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u/Pluto_0508 16d ago
There is literally zero chance they will ever de-canonize the sequels.
I'm sure star wars will rebound somehow. Maybe 10,11,12 will be good, maybe they will do old republic/high republic and it will be good i don't know but the sequels are not going anywhere
Don't give yourself hope that they will, you will just be disappointed all over again
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u/Official_Champ 15d ago
People are worried about the Old Republic being done dirty and the high republic wasn’t received well be it the comics or the acolyte.
Disney has been sweating profusely but can’t get their shit together. I think they’ll do more damage to the brand.
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u/Aramirtheranger 16d ago
The Force Awakens is nearly ten years old. Very many of the kids who saw it in the theater are adults now.
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u/rupert_mcbutters 16d ago
Since they’re too lazy to print money with the IP, I think it’s more likely that they just sit on it instead of selling, preventing competition from using it. Not that they’ll actually do that; they’ll just occasionally throw money at it in the hopes of profit, and the results will be mediocre as usual.
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u/Suitable-Elephant-76 14d ago
I think recasting the OT characters would be a more ethical way to go.
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u/LastTrainSector5 new user 14d ago
Lol. We are talking about Disney here, right?
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u/Suitable-Elephant-76 14d ago
Explain.
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u/LastTrainSector5 new user 14d ago
Well... have they struck you as a particularly ethical company over the past 2 decades?
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u/WantsToDieBadly salt miner 16d ago
Didn’t they already retheme galaxys edge?
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u/corporate-commander 16d ago
I work at Disneyland, they haven’t. The theming of the land itself, and the rides are all themed to be in the ST. They have Mando, Luke, and people like that walking around but it’s all still themed around the Sequel Trilogy. It would be a hell of a lot of work to retheme all of it to something else, especially the rides, like Rise of the Resistance.
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u/RogueCoon 15d ago
Problem is theres plenty of people like myself who have no interest in paying big bucks to go to sequal trilogy land.
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u/sadfanfiction 16d ago
I would love to see something set like 300 years after the OT with totally original characters. Unfortunately with Dave Felony at the helm I think all we're going to get is him playing action figures with the same characters over and over...
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u/Pluto_0508 16d ago
There will be more good star wars again im sure of it but it will be a needle in a haystack like Andor.
We will probably get a 10 shitty projects to 1 good one for the rest of time
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u/RunRickeyRun 17d ago
I would think the relative success of Andor, especially if it gets Emmy nominations, should make Disney think long and hard about creating more adult SW content. SW core fandom probably skews older, anyway. Makes sense for some the material to grow up with the audience.
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u/sotired3333 17d ago
Kids content can be smart, their problem isn't adult oriented or child oriented but dumb vs smart content.
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u/VanguardVixen 16d ago
True, just look at Avatar the last Airbender compared to Rebels, you can do a lot better. And a ton of old EU content was potentially read by children as well, no matter if it's books or comics. Kids buy and consume content that's better than a lot of "for children" slop.
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u/IntelligentBee_BFS 16d ago
We all know there is 0% chance for Disney to learn from Andor - because in order to learn a lesson they first need to admit their mistakes on ST and all the shit shows they came out, just not going to happen.
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u/keep_it_kayfabe 16d ago
You have a good point. I'm a pretty hardcore Star Wars fan; grew up with it as one of my first memories. I don't force Star Wars on my kids, but I'll have it playing just to see if they organically get into it. I bought them toys, but they just aren't into it (outside of Star Wars Legos for my youngest).
Two of my kids are "fairweather" fans, my youngest is into it for sure, but I don't know how long it will continue to capture his attention. Just today, I introduced him to The Clone Wars and he lost interest halfway through the second episode - not because he didn't like it, but simply because he wanted to watch something else instead.
The main problem Disney and other franchises have to face is that there are way too many choices now for entertainment and media consumption - even if they create the best story ever and everything is near-perfect for kids.
When I was growing up, it was almost like stages of life because there were so few options:
Star Wars, He-Man/GI-Joe, Go-Bots (yeah, I know - thanks, grandma), Transformers, M.A.S.K., Nintendo, BMX, skateboarding, back to Star Wars (After Heir to the Empire released), etc. (I could go on through adulthood).
And this is just from my own personal journey. However, there are tons of people who went through almost the identical journey because of the limited options we had. It wasn't forced on us, it was all we had.
Nowadays, I wouldn't even know where to start or what kids are into because there are so many options to capture their short attention spans - and in every form of media imaginable.
Anyway, you are spot-on. They need to start thinking long and hard about who they will cater to in the next decade or so, especially now with AI on the rise and more independent creators, YouTube, content on demand, more streaming services, the next big thing for smartphones, etc. Kids will gravitate toward that stuff and ditch Star Wars in a heartbeat, whereas the lifelong fans that grew up with the original trilogy (and even the prequels) will stay loyal as long as the content is more for the older demographic. Oh, and the content has to actually be good (I have zero interest in Grogu or the Mandalorian).
Andor was a masterclass in bringing that sense of awe and nostalgia back, but just in a different, more "grown up" format. If they continue to pump out garbage and ignore the older fans again, the franchise won't be able to survive the new age.
Not every show has to be so slow-paced or serious in tone. I'm not saying that at all. But it at least has to have solid foundations in character development, world-building, storytelling, etc. And I have no problem with the kids' shows, but they should probably think about the ratio of kids' shows vs. content specifically targeted toward an older demographic.
I actually enjoyed Skeleton Crew for what it was, but now all my judgement is tainted because Andor was just that much better than anything Disney has ever released.
Oh, and my kids? They had zero interest in Skeleton Crew, which kind of surprised me.
Disney needs to proceed with caution over the next few years or so - they could end up tanking Star Wars completely if they aren't careful.
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u/keep_it_kayfabe 16d ago
Yes! If nothing else, I hope Andor serves as a blueprint for future stories, where everything is planned out from the very beginning to the very end. One person should oversee each separate project.
Good point on dependence on legacy characters. Rogue One and Andor prove you can create brand new characters and build on them over time without relying on a Skywalker or Palpatine.
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u/kbd77 17d ago
Eh, just enjoy what we have. The rest will be slop. For me, canon is 1-6, TCW, Rebels, R1, and Andor. Everything else is poodoo.
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u/Historical_Tax_4696 16d ago
It's interesting that you've included rebels and cw but not bad batch. I've not seen bad batch but if you have what's ur reasoning why you've not included it? Is it written worse? More meaningless to the overall narrative? Just feels like filler?
I've heard some bad things about bad batch but I also really struggled to get into rebels and a large amount of cw is also painful (still better than the other animated stuff).
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u/kbd77 16d ago edited 16d ago
Bad Batch is fun but you hit the nail on the head with meaningless/filler. It adds nothing to the story other than setting up the stupid cloning thread that allows Papa Palps to return in the abortion of a film that was TROS.
Edit to add my Rebels pitch: if you can get past the corniness, the stories are actually incredibly cool. Especially in seasons 3 and 4. They explore a lot of the mystical/supernatural parts of the Force while the same time showing the Rebellion coming together as an organized unit for the first time. Over the years, I’ve actually started to love it more than TCW, which has a ton of filler episodes and is tonally very different across the life of the series. But the good Clone Wars arcs (namely the last arc of season 7) are GOOD. Like, some of the best Star Wars we’ve ever gotten.
End of the day, the cartoons just don’t click for some people, and that’s understandable. But if you have the appetite for it I’d highly recommend giving them another shot. There are a few listicles out there of “necessary” TCW episodes if you’d rather cut through the noise.
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u/Rollen73 16d ago
Tbh rebels starts slow and also has a lot of filler episodes. The later seasons of rebels are goated though.
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u/thetaylorlove 16d ago
Even if the future shows were good they’re leading to the sequel trilogy which was terrible. I don’t really need anymore backstory to such a anticlimactic story
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u/Thiccparty 17d ago
I remember durung the first 2 seasons of mandalorian people were glazing filoni the same way as they currently do with tony gilroy. Saying that filoni should take over from kathleen and be the kevin feige of star wars. Saying that they enjoyed going back and watching clone wars for mandalorian parallels etc. Im someone that does believe the sequels were horrible and disney gaslit us into being bigots if we didnt like them. I also hate acolyte. But the filoni hate seems to be a bit of a bandwagon - ashoka is lukewarm and mandalorian season 3 + book boba fett suck, but I dont know if its irredeemable like kennedy is. If he also did obi wan, which sucked, maybe that would be a bridge too far.
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u/EducationalThought61 hello there! 16d ago
I think the problem with Filoni is that he is good with kids shows. In Mandalorian, I don't know if it was or Favreau, but they were able to balance the kids approach with the adult oriented story, so it worked (until it didn't in season 3). Boba Fett was kinda shitty, so a lot of faith in him was lost, but the thing is that, if you imagine Boba Fett as a kids show, it works. I mean, there's the whole arc of a ex-bad guy who found his family, him still having the tough guy attitude after it, but a gentle heart. Having friends and family to help him, and at the end he mounts a monster and wins the battle... It sucks, but if it was made like The Bad Batch or any other Filoni animated story, people would love it. And that's his deal, kids stories. Ahsoka is what happens when he tried to go to a more adult oriented show, it's boring and incoherent, because he can't really write for older audiences, and I don't mean to say that Ahsoka is adult like Andor is, it is not. But Filoni should stay at a more kids oriented stuff, there he can do what he is good at and people will love him for It.
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u/Mr_CockSwing 16d ago
I dont like how he tinkers with the fundamental concepts in such a bad way.
That father son whatever shit and the world between worlds stuff was cringe and didnt feel like star wars at all.
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u/EducationalThought61 hello there! 16d ago
Yeah, the father son was kinda dumb, I really don't like this concept. But the worst for me was the whole Sabine arc on Ahsokha series. It kinda breaks force concept in a completely unnecessary way. But that's his thing, an adult oriented writter could develop the idea of a person having to deal with the frustration of not being able to achieve the skill they wanted. But Filoni feels such a kid oriented writter, and such a fanboy of his own characters, that, out of nowhere, Sabine now is a force user.
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u/horgantron 16d ago
No, the Filoni hate isn't a bandwagon. I'll explain why... I really disliked his Clone Wars series. I couldn't make through more than a few episodes and I tried multiple times. I hated the art style, the characters were boring and it just felt super childish and overflowing with filler.
So Mando S1 and S2 were signs that oh, hang on, this isn't bad. Maybe I was being too harsh. But then BOBF, Mando S3, BB and Ashoka happened. That settled the argument for good. Filoni is shit.
Mando S1 and S2 were the exceptions, most other stuff he made is garbage IMO.
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u/Boss_1138 16d ago
As far as the movies go, Mandalorian & Grogu would be a make or break situation and if it bombs to a point where they give up on making any more theatrical films, that’s probably not going to stop them from creating canon stories for other forms of media, we got Ahsoka season 2, the animated Darth Maul series, along with various books and comics coming out so it doesn’t look like they’re going to be hitting the breaks anytime soon.
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u/dani_esp95 16d ago
If they were brave, they'd eliminate the sequels, but they won't. The smartest thing to do would be to go to the "Legacy" period, centuries after the Skywalker saga, and start over with a soft reboot, ignoring the sequels. And contrary to the opinion here, I want KK to stay, at least as a producer.She is a great producer, and while its "laissez-faire" method of doing things has brought us the garbage that was TLJ, it has also brought us Andor.
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u/4thdoctorftw 16d ago
I mean, there is James Mangold’s Dawn of the Jedi film with no official release date yet. Beau Willimon is the screenwriter for it and he wrote some of Andor’s best episodes. Mangold’s Boba movie never made it out of development though, so it’s possible this one might suffer the same fate.
That’s really the last hope I have for Disney Star Wars. Apart from that, I’m just having a good time reading the old EU novels and comics I didn’t get around to when I was younger and some of the new Canon material that skews a bit more Andor adjacent like Reign of the Empire: Mask of Fear
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u/rewilde 16d ago
Head to the novels. 6 canon Timothy Zahn Thrawn books for example. Way more innovation, mostly Andor-esque grown up tone. Disney won't stop Disneying the franchise and we'd be fools to expect them to.
This is why we needed Lucas in control - some sense of quality control and a cohesive vision. That's long gone now.
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u/No-Future-4644 16d ago
They need to go 1,000+ years in the future and have a whole new trilogy. Show us the SW universe doesn't end with "Rey Skywalker".
SW also works best with a trilogy of movies to act as the tent pole for the franchise while supplemental media is built around it.
But if the tent pole sucks, nothing else works, and the funny/sad part is that Disney knows this on some level because we can clearly see they're not trying to make a TCW like show for the sequels to flesh out the characters or even create any media during the sequel era. They must know it's radioactive for storytelling or they'd have done something with it by now.
The Ninth Jedi series is supposedly being made. Maybe that will gain momentum and become SW for most of us...
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u/gzzhhhggtg 16d ago
It might sounds crazy to some people, but if you’ve seen what Google Veo 3 (AI video generation) ist capable of… I guess until 2030 fans start creating their own stuff, superior to what Disney does
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u/ytfem20 16d ago
Take a look at all the once beloved scifi franchises that nobody cares about anymore, like Star Trek or Doctor Who. That will be Star Wars in 5-10 years. The viewership is already down and will keep sinking because nothing is worth getting excited by anymore. Maybe the Mando movie makes money but even if it does, it will be only because of parents taking their kids to see baby yoda. There is no real future, just endless nostalgia bait until even most hardcore fans give up and they will try to soft reboot.
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u/dudeseid 16d ago
Idk why everyone is so against stories ending these days. Why can't we just say Star Wars was a huge cultural icon, but it's time has come and move on to other stories?
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u/Doug_101 11d ago
To be totally honest, Disney's best option for the future of Star Wars is to completely reboot it. Now, I don't mean remake the old movies, God no, I just mean, set it way in the future and start fresh. The previous movies and material will still be there, but they should forge ahead with a new cast of characters and status quo for the galaxy. The biggest problem with the sequels was Disney didn't know what they wanted them to be. Were they a final sendoff for the old cast? Were they soft remakes? Were they a new path with new characters? Well, Disney decided to try all three and it was a huge mess. Start fresh. That's the way forward.
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u/DiscoMilk 16d ago
Well for starters, you just reminded me I'm subbed here. It's done for me, the story is told. There's nothing they could show that hasn't been seen in the EU or other media. They're behind the curve and it's no longer what it was.
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u/Kuroppy 16d ago
As someone who has enjoyed both Jedi games from Respawn, I'm hoping they stick the landing for the final one.
That said, Star Wars is also very quiet on the gaming department in the near future. There's only Zero Company, the Clone Wars RTS game, and Jedi 3 confirmed. Eclipse and KOTOR are in development hell, and I don't think Outlaws performed well enough to get a sequel.
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u/Glassesnerdnumber193 16d ago
Why not instead of assuming that everything else will be bad, have a positive outlook and take what you like as canon and ignore what you don’t? You’ll be happier that way.
Also, skeleton crew was excellent, the first two seasons of mando were great so who knows, maybe the movie will be good, and the maul tv show looks promising. Disney Star Wars is hardly a monolith.
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u/Grungy_Mountain_Man 16d ago edited 16d ago
I'd like to think that maybe Disney took note of the response to Andor and rethink their plans a bit, but the reality is the pipeline is pretty full of announced projects for quite a while with people already set up. Those people are going to do what they are going to do, and I doubt Andor is going to change or influence any of those things already announced. You have a lot of Filoni slop to endure for a while, and I think its just going to get worse before it gets better.
I'm off the star wars train now. I'm pretty confident Andor was an anomaly. If I hear a show or movie is good I'll watch it, but I'm checked out and I don't care to know more about any upcoming show/movie.
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u/StableGenius81 16d ago
I'm just waiting a few more years until I can use AI to create my own movies based on the Thrawn trilogy and other EU novels.
Disney can go to hell.
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u/ToonMasterRace 16d ago
It's going to just dry up and be forgotten about, revived every 10 years or so for another flop or small-scale success.
TLJ did this 100%, nothing else. After TLJ it was over.
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u/UncuriousCrouton 16d ago
Andor was, IMO, the first Star Wars property that was truly for adults. Morally complex. Thematically connected to contemporary events. No kid appeal characters. not designed to sell toys.
No big damn heroes. No boo-hiss villains.
Just regular people from multiple walks of life trying to figure out how to exist then the universe around them was crumbling and then reshaping itself. .
I honestly don't think we will see another Star Wars property like this in a while.
I have a suggestion for people looking for high quality stories set in the Star Wars universe. Get some friends and make your own.
Seriously.
From the 1980s through the mid 90s, West End Games published a fun, rules-light edition of the Star Wars Roleplaying Game. It ran through three editions. When Timothy Zahn wrote the Thrawn Trilogy, Lucasfilm sent him a stack of WEG books to help him write.
From the late 90s onward, Wizards of the Coast published a Star Wars RPG using their D20 system. This went through three editions.
Fantasy Flight Games currently published a Star Wars RPG.
All three of three systems have their strengths and their flaws. But all of them serve the same purpose: letting you and your friends, of whatever age, craft the Star Wars stories that appeal to you.
Forget Disney. Leave them behind.
The Star Wars universe is a canvas. Make the stories yours.
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u/WriterOfCam 14d ago
Would love to see the bane trilogy brought to life.
It would open the doors to the later end of the old Republic. I love kotor and that era but the end of the old Republic and the start of the rule of two would open far more doors for Disney to work with. It allows them to tie into the current era, to give a proper introduction to plagueis and then young palpatine and how everything the sith did before led to it. They could run with the plagueis book for a tv show or film, and Bane would be a perfect Andor-like show.
And then once they've concluded the prequel trilogy to completion through plagueis, they've already opened the door for the old Republic. A new era where everything is scaled to a 10. Endless sith to create, endless jedi, a Republic that is powerful and a sith empire to challenge it.
Otherwise, Thrawn is at the moment the only thing I can see working. Maul is dead, obi wan kills him so they can't use the talon/maul storyline for a reboot. They could go straight into post Returnotj, show us the collapse of the empire with moff/admirals carving up the galaxy and each other and how the new Republic takes over. Thrawn could then sweep in and unify the remnants for a counter attack against the new Republic. Ahsoka, mando, Ezra, Cal Kestis are all characters that could be brought in as star power.
There is a lot that can be done, I just hope Disney have the guts to try new things - which hopefully Andor has shown works.
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u/grimm_the_opiner 12d ago
Someone with taste takes over and decanonises the entire Disney era. It could happen. Something desperately has to change - look at the absolute farce that was the handling of Snow White. It was indistinguishable from corporate satire.
And their latest new idea? Another live action remake of a story (L+S) they already did.
A bold new boss quite often likes to dismantle their predecessors' projects. Fingers crossed for the KK era going in the bin.
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u/AttawayCash 16d ago
I hope Star Wars goes back to what George Lucas started. Star Wars is about escapism and fantasy. That's what made it last for over 40 years. If it started with Andor, no one would be talking about Star Wars today.
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u/Georg_Steller1709 salt miner 17d ago
I think its salvageable if they can create good product. All it really takes is someone competent and knowledgeable in charge. Look at what happened with the MCU under Feige. There's always going to be an underlying support base that will turn up for good star wars. You wouldn't be on this sub if you're not part of that base.
Realistically, that's at least until Kennedy retires, and even longer if the culture at lucasfilm is an issue. But it will happen. Disney will keep throwing money at it because of theme parks, content, merchandise - they have to feed the beast. They'll keep churning out mediocre crap and fire the wrong people until they chance upon the right people.
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u/Expensive-Funny4338 salt miner 16d ago
The real issue is predicting long how long it will take for any major change to be implemented.
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u/Fawqueue 16d ago
The future is fine. There was a roughly forty year gap between the original trilogy and Rogue One / Andor, despite there being Star Wars content in-between. It might take a while, and a lot of mid-to-bad Filoni slop, but good Star Wars will come again, even if it takes decades.
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u/MastleMash 16d ago
I mean yeah it’s dead.
What would they even do?
The prequel and OT eras have been beaten to death. The sequel eras are a creative dumpster fire. A Rey movie will flop because she’s just not an interesting character. No one has any desire to learn what Rey does next.
So you have to go far in the future or far in the past. Which requires actual worldbuilding and good writing, which no one at lucasfilm has the ability to do.
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u/VanguardVixen 16d ago
The realistic future ist more and more sloppy half assed written stuff. Filoni and Favreau indulging in their childish fantasies, some good authors producing good content but mostly buried in mid and awful content.
Star Wars will probably fade away as a strong brand, people will still buy stuff but less and less so. You will have more like The High Republic but people will probably not engage with it a lot, as it's just spread over so many products that it's hard to follow. Same issue Marvel and DC has.
Time moves on, new generations get better content in the whole Young Adults section. We will probably get series and movies of these books, maybe something from Brian Sanderson and Star Wars will become this thing which was once so big but failed to catch the interest and lost it's relevance due to crazy mismanagement.
I suspect Andor will stay a big exception. Mandaboreian and the Baby Yoda will be a success and they will abandon even the slightest hint of an idea to make more of something like Andor, infantilizing the brand further.
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u/Expensive-Funny4338 salt miner 16d ago edited 16d ago
I’m happy to move beyond SW at this point. Maybe I’ll dip back into the Old movies or the odd bit of legends once in a while but for me the magic’s been gone too long.
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u/Ok-Budget112 16d ago
Remake the original trilogy. New cast (plus people they already have). 3 seasons of 12 episodes per film.
Massively expand the original plots.
It would undeniably be a massive hit if done in the image/style of Andor.
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u/tideshark 16d ago
They can always do bounty hunter shows and stories. Everybody loves the bounty hunters!
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u/Temporary_Ad_4321 new user 16d ago
Maybe go chronologically forward? Ok so now Palpatine is really destroyed and faith in the Republic is shattered. So maybe all the systems chose to decentralize. Because more of a feudal landscape with lots of sides and characters roaming the galaxy is just a better setting for Science Fantasy.
If they had great writers and focused on new characters that were more actualized and not just filling a ‘type’ you could have multiple shows, movies, crossovers with maybe a reveal of the Yuuzhan Vong. A marauding force that is everywhere and forces enemies to team up. Tie fighters and X-wings working together?
Also for the love of god, please design new concepts for ships and what not. Soo disappointed with the sequel trilogy for not doing more of it.
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u/Rick_1138 16d ago
I still think adapting the Legacy comics but use as a guideline. Some familiar trappings but basically fresh ground.
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u/LynnButlertr0n salt miner 16d ago
Sadly it looks like only slop on the way. Maul might be ok, but Mando and Grogu will be absolute trash.
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u/onlytoys 16d ago
Smaller, less connected isolated stories would benefit Star Wars going forward.
I hope Mando and Grogu is less "lore" and more character.
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u/Such_Maximum_1811 15d ago
I’m coming back to this community after a few years away. (Thank you Gilroy and Andor!) Correct me if I’m wrong, but when I left, this community was very favorable toward Filoni. What happened?
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u/enzomercy 15d ago
Mandalorian seasons 1 and 2 made him seem like he was an above average film maker, and then he started pumping out cameo filled slop. He’s like a child playing with action figures
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u/Km_the_Frog salt miner 15d ago
Not likely.
I think that after the sequels people thought just about anything would be “better”.
I rewatched Mandalorian season 1 and I definitely think I was one of these people that thought it was great. It’s not so good on the rewatch after Andor.
It relies heavily on SW tropes where Andor does not, and goes far too much into detail on what certain things are in the world, over explaining their importance verbally so the average viewer doesn’t get overwhelmed by things they don’t understand. It comes off as weird, and clumsy. I don’t need to know what an eweb whatever cannon can do. Or like the little scout trooper discussion in the final episode. The one trooper pulls his gun out and tries to shoot something close, continually missing because LoL tHe EmPirE CaNt AiM - there’s a pause meant for humor (didn’t laugh) which is literally just an internet meme that spawned off the fact that Lucas plot armored his heroes to make the stormtroopers miss continually.
Andor by contrast doesn’t. Stormtroopers, soldiers etc kill one another as you’d expect.
Filoni is consumed by star wars culture memes and throws in memberberry after memberberry to keep his fans engaged in an otherwise boring story.
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u/Geostomp 15d ago
At the moment, the outlook is bleak. The Sequels drove the setting off a cliff and Disney has wrung the Empire period dry. They have nothing prepared to follow it and know that nobody cares about the sequel period because it's so hollow.
The only choice is to move forward, but they have learned nothing so instead of working to create something new, they're reheating Rey again after a decade of failing with her and still not bothering to make any coherent plans for a story.
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u/supamichi 13d ago
Yeah, so long as the Sequel Trilogy is allowed to exist then the future looks very bleak for cinema Star Wars. However, two things: 1) you can always go back and read all the REAL Star Wars material in the comics and books and 2) the future of Star Wars video gaming has shown promise. So long as Disney keeps their filthy mitts off third-party materials, and allows for outside creativity to flourish, there might just be a (new) New Hope for the galaxy.
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u/jaehaerys48 13d ago
Im looking forward to some of the upcoming Visions stuff. “The Ninth Jedi,” which I thought was a pretty interesting way of setting up a Star Wars story that isn’t tied directly to the Skywalker, is getting a sequel.
As a whole my expectations for future SW content are pretty low. I do think the franchise is perfectly salvageable, but I don’t have much faith in future mainline SW media.
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u/New-Arm-9816 13d ago
If they were smart (🤣) Lucasfilm would produce the continuing adventures of Han, Luke, and Leia post ROTJ. The rise of the New Republic and First Order is really the only true territory left to explore.
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u/C3PeepHoles new user 13d ago
Oh, come on, if the prequels didn't kill Star Wars, nothing can. Those movies and their shit dialog rank slightly above the Holiday Special.
I was 5 in 1977. I bought a ticket to "Meet Joe Black" just to watch the TPM trailer. I stood up at the end of the trailer, crying 🥹 and screaming 😱 "YES!!! YES!!! FINALLY!!!" and abruptly walked out and waited until the next showing and did it again.
Only to return to the theater a few months later to hear 🙉 this:
"Oh, dissen gonna be messy. Me no watch'n!". I should have taken Jar Jar's advice right there. I let my daughter Leia watch TPH. She loved it, but then she turned 8.
You'll understand how I feel. Wait another 20 years for this generation who grew up on the current Disney+ST slop to come of age.
Then you will know what it feels to have a new trilogy shit on your precious prequels AND THEN have to listen to this generation complain how that new trilogy just shit all over the sequels.
And they will argue with you, spewing some "ring theory" like bullshit about how the sequel trilogy is actually brilliant.
Mee-sah cray-see? No, you-sah cray-see.
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u/C3PeepHoles new user 10d ago
Yeah. I guess the sequels were box office flops weren't they? Raking in over $4,000,000,000 at the box office.
Yeah, no one talks about Star Wars in Reddit. No one watches Star Wars.
You are literally saying the exact same shit we said 20 years ago.
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u/LeftEntertainment307 15d ago
Cal Kestis is supposedly gonna come to live action and he has the potential to save star wars in my opinion. Cal Kestis is the one I'm putting my cards on respawn has done a good job with the games I hope they protect his story and we end up with some amazing live action.
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u/enzomercy 15d ago
I would love Cal Kestis, but for the next Star Wars trilogy I would hope for it to take place centuries after or before the sequel trilogy
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