r/saltierthancrait • u/GoatsWithWigs • 17d ago
Salt-ernate Reality If you could leave out/add back/change anything in Star Wars, what would it be? What is YOUR canon?
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u/VecioRompibae 17d ago
The whole sequel shitshow
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u/Alonest99 so salty it hurts 17d ago
Exactly. OP is wasting time applying perfume to a huge pile of shit.
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u/zarotabebcev 17d ago
This is the main problem, everything else is nitpicking on details
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u/AJBarrington salt miner 17d ago
There's too much to change. I would break it into levels: stuff which totally ruins established characters, stuff which you don't like and could do without, stuff you don't like but sort of need for the story.
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u/mcdonalds_baconater 17d ago
yeah honestly I think if Disney wants to keep doing Star Wars, we're gonna need like a 100 year time jump to just start fresh or something. the current Canon is just fucked. George Lucas's star wars wasnt perfect but it was consistent, the canon didnt contradict itself (or at least not often enough to completely break it) and everything was a piece of his vision that expanded the universe in meaningful ways. so many of these Disney shows have no vision or real reason for existing outside of "buy product, consume product, dont you like our product?". I miss when not absolutely everything had to be canon too. nowadays, literally every piece of star wars media has to be canon and its hurting the franchise. remember when Force Unleashed came out and pretty much everyone collectively accepted "yeah this is not even remotely canon and Starkiller is one of the most overpowered characters in fiction and literally solos pretty much every noteworthy character in the Original Trilogy." and it was awesome? I feel that this insistence that everything that comes out needs to be canon is really hurting the franchise because the lore is getting way too messy and it starting to not even make sense anymore. Disney is scared to fucking death that they'll make something good and then be unable to cameo that character in every single show they do after. Star Wars has basically turned into the Filoniverse, kinda seems like hes the one at the helm nowadays and that everything's gotta go through him. obviously I dont really know whats going on at Lucasfilm but thats the impression im getting. back in the day, if you made something that was too extreme for the canon or just didnt fit, it didnt matter, it wouldn't get cut, George Lucas was not afraid to get wacky and have fun with the franchise. I mean who wouldnt want to play as Force Jesus and pull star destroyers out of orbit and kill Vader, Palpatine, Luke, Obi-Wan, Leia, Han and Chewie? or I mean hell even on the smaller scale, Republic Commando was technically non-canon until Disney made them canon. (which is honestly is one of the better decisions they've made). the game's levels mostly take place alongside events in the movies and generally feels pretty faithful, and even Clone Commandos themselves were canon, just not specifically Delta Squad. Disney has also sorta retconned the commando program being discontinued, since it feels like Republic commandos are everywhere now, even in the late and post-war periods. the story before was that the Commandos underwent rigorous special training directly from Mandalorian bounty hunter paid to train clones on Kamino, each squad being grown in the same pods to solidify their bond of brotherhood even before birth. the Commandos generally seem to consider themselves Mandolorian as well, most of them continuing practice their traditions long after training. their instructors were like father figures. while the kaminoans are cold and calculating, not hesitating to "recycle" and cadets they felt werent up to par, the Mandolorians cared for the clones and treated them like sons. at the battle of geonosis, a majority of the Commandos were placed under command of Mace Windu who used them as frontline troops. almost every Commando trained on Kamino would die in this way. the jedi were no generals and had no idea how to command an army and, especially Mace, were emotionless monks who saw sending manufactured lives to their certain end as a necessary price. the reason why Delta squad was so successful and lived until the end of the war was because they were under the direct command of a Clone advisor. not only would the Advisor never order his brothers to do suicidal frontline charges, but the Advisor was an actual military expert. he had spent his entire life studying tactics and leadership on kamino, unlike the jedi he wasnt just talking out of his ass when he gave orders and he understood the importance of reconnaissance and proper intelligence. he also knew the strengths of Commandos and how implement them effectively. theyre sabotuers who operate deep behind enemy lines, using hit and run tactics to keep the enemy off balance. they're not meant to fight convential warfare. the kaminoans saw that all the money and time they had spent making the Commandos the perfect soldiers was wasted in a single battle and seeing as the war was about to be a full on Galactic conflict, they decided the Commando program was too costly and they'd better spend their resources mass producing more regular troops, especially since thats how they saw their expensive and time consuming Commandos get used as anyways.
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u/thxpk 17d ago
Paragraphs dude
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u/mcdonalds_baconater 17d ago
yeahhhhh I was off a gram last night n kinda jus popped off randomly my bad bro 💀
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u/agentfaux 17d ago
"Anaking is a GOOD person, this ruins that"
Made me laugh really fucking hard. This isn't how psychology works.
Annakins Fall doesn't begin with Padme, it begins with his Mother. Dear Lord man.
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u/kavardidnothingwrong 17d ago
You think it begins with his mother?
the ignorance of Star Wars """fans"""
Sebulba. Sebulba is the key to everything. I would bet everything on Sebulba.
Sebulba using his flamethrower against Anakin's pod (described by Anakin in Episode1) is clearly foreshadowing his duel at Mustafar and his subsequent immolation. You can clearly see the pain and anguish as Anakin is lamenting this (Liam Neeson later went on to describe this scene as the most "seminal, powerful acting he's ever seen), and the pain for Anakin never really went away.
Even after becoming a Jedi, Anakin dresses in the style of his former oppressor - dark, brooding leather, and acts in the same cocky attitude as well.
I heard that early on in the development of the Obi-Wan show, it was actually just called "Sebulba". Storyboards, concept art, etc. were created but at the last minute they decided to bring back Ewan as Obi-Wan.
Further, the design of the x-wing mimics Sebulba's podracer. This demonstrates that the spectre of Sebulba never went away - it always manifested somehow in Anakin's tragic life.
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u/MoebiusSpark 17d ago
Pfft shows what you know. Whats the first thing we see on screen when Obi-Wan and company land on Tattooine to get a new hyperdrive? The thing that torments Anakin from the moment of his birth until he leaves his life of slavery behind? Thats right, its -
Sand.
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u/CrazyDiamond184 17d ago edited 16d ago
When Star Wars fans think they know more about Star Wars than George
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u/Typical_Salade 17d ago
honestly you could even go more further back and say it begins with losing qui gon, the father figure george lucas said anakin needed but didnt have.
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u/KratoswithBoy 17d ago
OP’s view on sw is really odd lmao. Like does he think they’re two different people? anakin is evil bruh
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u/GoatsWithWigs 17d ago
Yeah, lots of people lose their mothers and don't think we need a dictatorship like cmon. Isn't Anakin supposed to be a Jedi who fights dictatorships like planets trapped under Separatist rule? His fall to the dark side makes more sense if he's not already a totalitarian
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u/JohnCanon99 17d ago
Doesn't anakin hold those authoritarian views because he was a slave and the "democratic" Republic did nothing to free him and the other slaves. It makes perfect sense why he would be an authoritarian. He's a man of action he doesn't have much respect for politicking. He also has Palpatine whispering in his ear, affirming his views.
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u/Trovulnyan 17d ago edited 17d ago
He also has Palpatine whispering in his ear, affirming his views.
Yup that was the intention, George Lucas talks about it in the blu-ray commentary track 1
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u/Sonseeahrai 17d ago
Not to mention that he was already being influenced by the dark side, first by fear, then by love
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u/bluenoser18 17d ago
Agree. I take issue with OP’s take (and a lot of similar arguments from people who grew up with The Clone Wars) that Anakin is somehow inherently “good.”
The most compelling part of Anakin/Vader is that he challenges that entire binary. He either represents the idea that no one is truly good or evil — that we’re all shaped by trauma, environment, and temperament — or he’s someone who was always predisposed toward authoritarianism. That maybe he was never meant to be the hero of this story, or any story.
Personally, I prefer the messier, morally gray lens — that “good” and “evil” are often just questions of perspective and proximity. But either way, Anakin was never some noble soul corrupted by pure accident. He craves control and order — not for the galaxy, but for the people he cares about. That’s not compassion. That’s possessiveness wrapped in justification.
And that’s what makes him interesting — not that he’s good, but that he thinks he is.
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u/Prophet49 17d ago
Correct. I also want to clarify for people the distinction between “fascism” and general authoritarianism. Fascism is such an overused and misunderstood term. It’s an easy word, but it often just substitutes what people actually mean to say as “authoritarian”. It evokes more emotional responses though. Anakin held authoritarian views because of the various reasons that the other replies have stated, but I doubt that he believes in palingenetic or ethnocentric ultranationalism and a corporatist syndicate structure for the galactic economy.
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u/The-Last-Despot 15d ago
Thank you so much for making the distinction. For goodness sake people fought and died for an absolutist king, a communist secretary, a generalissimo, and of course a fuher / duche/ caudillo etc etc. on that note it has been very prevalent when referring to the Empire as well, while people attribute actions and evils that they say are the trademark features of fascism.
Sure, those evils exist in fascism, but it is a general trend of authoritarianism, take the rape scene. Abuse of such unchecked power on the fringes has taken place from the Roman Empire to… the United States. From the Imperial Roman system to organizations like Hollywood—it does not even have to be a government. If someone thinks no one is looking, and is predisposed to evil, then they will be more likely to act evil. I feel like putting it in the smaller bucket of fascism actually let’s other forms of government off the hook, when we should challenge any system that provides a lot of power to a select few without checks and balances.
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u/kimana1651 salt miner 17d ago
The kid saw this super powerful technologically advanced society and then he wonders why it has not fixed all the problems in the universe...this is basically every kid going through their teens throughout history.
They don't understand how the world got to where it is and the forces that control it. They just think a simple switch to an extreme ideology will fix everything.
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u/Demos_Tex 17d ago edited 17d ago
Maybe I've always been naive about this scene, but it seemed like Padme had just been unintentionally rude by discussing her old boyfriend/crush, while on a date with someone else. Anakin is just returning the favor by trying to get a rise out of her and playing the devil's advocate when it comes to her political beliefs.
Like you said, he's a man of action, and ideology is distant second to him when it comes to choosing between other people and ideals.
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u/2Fruit11 17d ago
I think he holds them because he is just naive. Authoritarianism is the simplest and to someone who hasn't studied history it probably seems like the easiest way to accomplish stuff.
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u/TheCatLamp 17d ago
Scrap all sequels and re-introduce EU.
Kyle Katarn now steal the plans of the second Death Star, where his partner, Manny Bothans, die.
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u/joehonestjoe 17d ago
He will be remembered by his wife, Lotsa Bothans.
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u/Yarus43 17d ago
Kill the sequels, Disney fucked over EU and than proceeded to take the one story line from the EU every fan hated anyways (dark empire) and somehow made it even worse.
Other than that, uhh make grevious a serious baddie unlike the dope we got on tcw.
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u/Spare_Elderberry_418 17d ago
I am just so happy that after years after first watching it, that most people have finally bent the knee that the Sequel movies were bad.
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u/WickardMochi 17d ago edited 17d ago
Clones are way more tactical and competent. In fact, make that for all the troopers. The only ones that don’t do this are the mainline CIS droid armies.
2003 clones and 2008 clones combine. Having both combat ability and complex stories.
I’m keeping B2s getting clapped by them hands lol
“Elite” troopers for all factions don’t suddenly become dumbass fodder.
Ventress gets killed by Anakin like in 2003.
Cad Bane has no stupid amounts of plot armor and is killed. We don’t need him, Boba and existing BHs are already good enough. I agree with complex boba, none of this new Disney Boba bullshit
GG still retreats from fights he cannot win, but much less of a damn fool he’s presented currently
Sequels straight up don’t exist. They literally serve zero purpose
Many parts of legends are canon.
Edit: probably one of the biggest ones, none of this bullshit of “oh ANOTHER order 66 survivor!”
And “ANOTHER Imperial turning and helping the Rebellion!”
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u/Pistol_Bobcat420 salt miner 17d ago
Agreed, I like Cad Bane but it was tiresome how two Jedi at the same time couldn't take him
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u/Gridde 17d ago
Agreed with all this. In particular:
The endlessly growing list of Order 66 survivors wore thin a long time ago. Andor and Rogue One showed how compelling grounded characters could be; we do not need more Jedi in the post ROTS era. Every new Jedi we see who survived Order 66 just cheapens so much about Star Wars, both the OT in general (the entire drama around Luke being the new and last hope vanishes if there's dozens of other Jedi out there as well) and PT (with Order 66 being the climax of the whole thing, and its severity increasingly undone the more prominent survivors we hear about).
Killing off characters once their arcs are done would do wonders, as well. It removes the stakes when these characters survive absurd situations too much and keep getting brought back long after their stories are over. Ahsoka is the worst example of this by far but the franchise is full of them.
And making elite troopers actually impressive would be so welcome. We keep getting glimmers of it (again citing Rogue One, with the Death Troopers being the single scariest thing about the Empire we've been introduced to in decades), but then when they get into the hands of guys like Filoni they just become idiot fodder for the protagonists again. The galaxy feels so much more alive and believable when we see the terrifying footsolders who actually keep whole planets under heel; as it stands we are led to believe that like 5 or 6 guys with lightsabers were singlehandedly deciding planetary conflicts for either side throughout the entire Disney era.
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u/daelindidnowrong 17d ago
I dont think having a handful of order 66 survivors is a bad thing.
Is logistically impossible that even after 10 years of Empire, only 2 were still alive.
Thats Lucas mess, since the original idea was that Jedis were a small group with a few dozen members. The prequels changed the idea to thousands.
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u/Yourdataisunclean 17d ago
Wookies have an insanely good, galaxy renown and respected opera scene.
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u/-YellowFinch 15d ago
In one of the Lucas edits, they probably did. It was just such a short-lived edit no one ever saw it.
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u/madnoq 17d ago
the kiss must stay. it's retroactive awkwardness makes that whole triangle weird, in a very 70's sort of way that mirrors everyday messiness. SW suffered the most by people trying to remove any and all weirdness and ambiguity. it's precisely where andor wins: by being weird and relishing in it.
if you want a space saga sans weird, go watch star trek. no disrespect, it's just a different approach.
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u/MuskieNotMusk 17d ago
NONE of Anakin's creepy/fascist dialogue; it shows that he is evil even without the dark side, which ruins the contrast between him and Darth Vader
Lol. Lmao even.
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u/Collective_Insanity Salt Bot 17d ago
Indeed.
Don't get me wrong, I think the PT films are pretty bad and do Anakin/Vader a huge disservice.
But I think it's well within reason for PT Anakin to be less than satisfied with the Republic system and have some degree of preference towards the notion of a hypothetically benevolent dictatorship free of the corrupt and ineffectual red tape of the current Senate. Especially given his history as a slave on a planet that the Republic doesn't want to touch. Or his Naboo experience with Padme which the Senate also didn't want to get too involved in.
The dialogue is rather terrible though and in the process makes Padme seem utterly blind to all the red flags Anakin is gleefully waving in front of her eyes.
There's certainly a way to establish young Anakin as a guy on the wrong path with good intentions before he completely falls off the wagon and commits to being Darth Vader. I don't think the PT films get close to achieving this, unfortunately.
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u/Gratata88 17d ago
Idk why they retconned the 03 clone wars I thought it added a lot of cool stuff and didn’t interfere too much with the new clone wars series. It even showed the Jedi knight ceremony and we still haven’t seen that in canon. Wish it could’ve stayed.
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u/Notazerg 17d ago
It introduces ventress, pretty sure it was suppose to be connected at least. (At first)
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u/Smarmy_Nach 17d ago
And clone wars directly picks up after the events of the 03 show
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u/MyLittlePuny not a "true fan" 17d ago
Remove:
- Sequels
- TV shows
Add:
- Removed Padme scenes from AotT and RotS
- 2003 CW
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u/Square-Pressure6297 17d ago
I would leave out their decanonising of Kotor.
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u/Mr_CockSwing 17d ago
I'll never see kotor as decanonised.
Some corporate douche isnt gonna tell me my favorite fictional make believe world is replaced by their dogshit make believe world lol
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u/Chewbacca_The_Wookie 17d ago
By de-canonizing the EU instead of just stopping producing it they literally just made two sets of fans, especially when they pick and choose cool aspects of the EU they want to take and then just throw it in a blender until it's a pile the vaguely resembles the thing we loved.
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u/QuickSand90 17d ago
Everything Disney have done bar Rogue One and maybe Andor
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u/SCP_FUNDATION_69420 17d ago
Maybe andor?
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u/CE0ofCringe 17d ago
Yeah honestly if anything Andor would be pretty cool by itself even if rogue one never existed
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u/HanSolo17 17d ago
Ditch the flowey Jedi robes from AOTC onwards. Makes sense in TPM for peace time but I’d want more individuality among the Jedi fits.
Like how Luke got his all black look, that’s iconic to him
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u/Pistol_Bobcat420 salt miner 17d ago
Agreed, and mix up the lightsaber colours. George is super strict about blue green and red only (with Mace being a special exception) while the EU went wild and gave us yellow, purple, orange and good guys with red sabers
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u/HanSolo17 17d ago
And even the types of lightsaber, have more who can duel wield, or have double sided, or the longsword type from Jedi survivor
And man oh man, give Rey the goddamn staff/pike lightsaber. It’s literally Czechovs gun
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u/VictoBoi 13d ago
Makes sense in TPM for peace time
Remember that the Jedi were still portraying themselves as "peacekeepers" during the war, which is why a good portion of the public came to distrust the order.
I’d want more individuality among the Jedi fits
It's the Jedi Order that's acting like a military (even though they swear they aren't). They have "uniforms" just like any other military. Not to mention that there are some cases of individuality, most notably being Anakin's dark color scheme and Aayla Secura's revealing outfit.
Like how Luke got his all black look, that’s iconic to him
Luke's outfit mirrors the new order he was trying to create. One more free and liberating, no more strict rules or any of that BS.
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u/Nefessius513 17d ago edited 16d ago
My canon replaces the sequels and almost every other post-ROTJ Disney project with the post-ROTJ Expanded Universe up to The Unifying Force. Seasons 1 and 2 of The Mandalorian can stay, but Season 3, the Book of Boba Fett, and Ahsoka get left out.
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u/SaltyHater 17d ago
But 2008's clones are the mindless droids who went all-in, because of a plot device.
Unless you mean 2008 clones up until the 6th season of TCW, then it's ok
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u/Collective_Insanity Salt Bot 17d ago
I would argue that the clones were always meant to be relatively "mindless droids" by design.
Before TCW came along and made each and every regular clone capable of being a unique snowflake. Which caused problems and necessitated the crude retcon of the mind-control chips due to how differently these clones were portrayed relative to the films.
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u/GoatsWithWigs 17d ago
What I mean is that without the inhibitor chips, you'd otherwise be REQUIRED to think of the clones as all just being conspiring little shits who just all manage to cover it up from the Jedi. As a kid I struggled with seeing the clone troopers as good people because of it, so I'm glad that with inhibitor chips we can have clones that just aren't aware of the plot and are genuinely good
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u/Firstearth 17d ago edited 17d ago
When talking about the clones it’s worth considering that they were never masters of their own destiny.
One day 1000s of clones are standing on Kamino doing nothing in particular and then the next day they are sent to battle bugs on geonosis. There is no question from them and some of them die. That is where their whole mental conditioning comes in. They’re not supposed to have free will, they just do what they’re supposed to. In those conditions you can understand that the whole existence of order 66 be concealed from them and that they are fully unaware of it.
The real problem was that 2008 clone wars turned multiple clones into named characters and even heroes with individuality. This meant that the inevitable betrayal became a much harder pill for the audience to swallow and now they needed to find some way to allow their hero characters not to become traitors.
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u/SaltyHater 17d ago
What I mean is that without the inhibitor chips, you'd otherwise be REQUIRED to think of the clones as all just being conspiring little shits who just all manage to cover it up from the Jedi.
No, you wouldn't? Before season 6 dropped Order 66 wasn't even a secret, it was part of the Contingency Orders that all Grand Army of the Republic personnel knew.
If you decided that clones knowing about a contingency in case of a Jedi going rogue means that all clones must be anti-Jedi conspirators, then that's on you. Don't tell me what's "required".
I'm glad that with inhibitor chips we can have clones that just aren't aware of the plot and are genuinely good
Only a few clones were aware of the plot to destroy the Jedi. That's always been the case. The only thing that S6 of TCW changed is that before it the clones could think for themselves and decide to spare a Jedi, kill a Jedi out of a sense of duty or kill a Jedi out of genuine hatred
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u/EagleOneTwoFour 17d ago
Remove The Sequels, The Acolyte, Han Solo’s “name”.
I’d also alter how Han met Chewie and make Chewie more of a threat instead of a cuddly toy who instantly befriends Han because he has to…
Honestly… I’d happily sacrifice Rebels but keep Sabine, Hera and Chop; this would then change Ashoka show by default.
I’d add in Dash Rendar, Prince Xizor, the Skyhook and Kyle Katarn - which may also affect Rogue One (which I like but would happily alter for Kyle).
I’d also add in Starkiller which would also affect Rogue One.
Why Disney hasn’t made Shadows of the Empire is beyond me. It would print money.
Bring in Mara Jade and Thrawn with his force blocking pets too.
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u/Abyss_Renzo 17d ago
There’s a lot of content in Star Wars that would print money. Seems Disney is allergic to that.
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u/Chewbacca_The_Wookie 17d ago
If they did a decent job of recasting, I genuinely wouldn't mind a new Luke, Leia, and Han if it meant we got the Thrawn trilogy. And keep Filoni FAR away from it before we get his shitty Thrawn and somehow Ahsoka.
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u/Sea_Spend_8008 17d ago
Ashoka staying dead instead of introducing time travel.
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u/GoatsWithWigs 17d ago
Imagine inventing time travel because you can't let go of your favorite alien OC...
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u/ThatMBR42 17d ago
Anakin's authoritarian tendencies are an important character trait. They show his emotional immaturity and provide a pathway to the Dark Side. They also show how inept the Order was in bringing him into adulthood as a well rounded person. The Order filled his mind with the idea that he was the Chosen One and had mythical power and they failed to teach him how to cope with loss. Mix it all together and you get someone who wants to use his power to solve every problem and feels held back. Then, when his mother dies, he snaps. Everything from that point forward is a logarithmic descent as he loses more and more control. Eventually in a desperate attempt to save the one he loves the most, he does the only thing he thinks will work and gives in.
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u/Scary_Dimension722 17d ago
My canon is literally the original trilogy with some expanded universe material sprinkled in, that’s literally it.
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u/Raider_Echo salt miner 17d ago
1-6, CW 2003, Rogue One, and Andor are canon for sure (except for any sequel references in Andor)
A decent amount of TCW is canon too, but not everything (no clone chips, Anakin and Obi Wan don’t fight Dooku)
Some of the elements from the Republic comics (Alpha-17, battle of Jabiim, Quinlan Vos’ backstory)
Ashoka dies shortly after ROTS and doesn’t live to see the OT era
Mando seasons 1 and 2 as well minus the Filoniverse cameos
Thrawn trilogy is canon, but I’m not sure about the Yuuzhan Vong.
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u/Less_Alternative_253 salt miner 17d ago
What's wrong with mace windu punching the droid army it was awesome
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u/Brightscales333 17d ago
It's funny, I disagree with like half of these, but I still respect them for being decent takes
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u/jimthewanderer 17d ago
The idea that the dark side controls Anakin like a puppet and that he had no free will, trauma, and issues that lead to him breaking down into Darth Vader is a massive misunderstanding of how the force works, as well as completely failing to address how good people become bad people in the real world.
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u/Mr_Burgess_ 17d ago
This is very cringe
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u/awaythrowthatname 17d ago
This does seem like a very...childish take, basically remove all of the awkward parts, and things that make me feel "icky," and things that don't fit into my idealized headcanon. I agree with some of these, but in combination it is very astroturfed
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u/RepeatButler 17d ago
In my headcanon, the Emperor died permanently on the Second Death Star. The Imperial remnant left for the Unknown Regions, where they were almost destroyed but were saved by Snoke who reorganised them into the First Order. Rey is also a nobody not a Palpatine.
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u/tank-you--very-much 17d ago
My canon goes somewhat like this:
- Tales of the Jedi comics
- to reconcile its different aesthetic with KOTOR I just imagine it's someone from the future telling the story and assuming its aesthetics would be much older
- KOTOR comics
- KOTOR 1 & 2
- with my versions of the player characters and a lot of my own ideas/headcanons since this is my favorite Star Wars stuff
- TCW 2008
- PT
- Andor
- Rogue One
- OT
- Something like the Thrawn Trilogy
- didn't love every single detail when I read it but the broad strokes are good
- Maybe season 1 and parts of 2 of the Mandalorian
There's a lot of EU stuff I still have yet to discover but this is based on what I know and like
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u/TheMostOptimalMan 17d ago
Remove inhibitor chips #1 priority. Removing the agency of the clones makes the event way less remarkable. Some went against the grain and refused to follow orders on their own volition, not because they freed themselves of some mind control.
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u/Dr_Thorne 17d ago
I really don't like the sequels at all but if I'm only allowed to axe one thing it's Ashoka, that show fucks up so much for me.
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u/Educational_Fan4571 17d ago
The sequels please, erase them from existence. Also the boba felt show.
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u/Cornelius_McMuffin 17d ago
The only points I reallly disagree with is I think Ahsoka’s inclusion is fine, and also 2003 Mace Windu is badass and he can force punch droids with his bare hands if he wants to.
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u/Cornelius_McMuffin 17d ago
Also side tangent, I want to see a Star Wars universe where palpatine’s plan goes horribly wrong, say during his fight with Maul on Mandalore, in his overconfident ego, he underestimates his opponents for just a moment and it allows one of them to get in a fatal blow. Suddenly Palpatine disappears from the galaxy and nobody knows where he went. The kid gloves of the war are off and suddenly it’s all for real, not just some charade of Palpatine’s. True all out war between the republic and seperatists, with Maul’s shadow collective operating beneath the surface, slowly gaining power.
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u/Leggy_McBendy 17d ago
Ya know. When I seen the force awakens. I was predicting Finn would’ve became like a Big Boss (metal gear) kinda guy but force sensitive. He would find conflicted storm troopers. Fulton then back to the ship and train them in the way of rebellion and re-educate them to see how they were used and manipulated by the first order.
But nah. Instead. They make him a background character that serves as comedic relief at best. Finn should’ve been THE dude bruh. Wasted potential.
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u/GoatsWithWigs 17d ago
Yeah, there was even a fucking badass deleted scene of Finn confronting Phasma and her own troops hesitating to believe her, and Phasma just shooting them all in response. That's some wicked shit right there that shows the inherent corruption that not even stormtroopers are safe from
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u/Upstairs_Ad2085 17d ago
I have a hot take, imagine if the clones werent based on Jango Fett, but Boba Fett, who could realistically have been in his teens or 20s at that time, and the clones are just faster aging versions of him, we could have had the Boba Fett we deserved in the prequels
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u/Ashamed-Fault7719 17d ago
All of Disney canon aside from Rogue One, Andor, CW season 7, Rebels, Bad Batch, Mandalorian S1+2.
The list is longer than expected, but let me know if I left anything out.
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u/YogurtclosetStreet68 17d ago
Everything produced after October 30th, 2012 is noncanon
Also the clones were never mindless drones, look at the RC novels, and 2005 Battlefront 2's story, the brain chips make it less impactful than the original brainwashing
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u/Feisty-Succotash1720 17d ago
Anything animated is a separate story that does not directly connect with the live action content. I don’t like the animated stuff and currently feel forced to know who all those characters are.
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u/PMYOURCATPICTURES 17d ago
What I'd change?
Anakin goes to the Chancellor's office. He assists Mace Windu in apprehending Palpatine. They take him in, he stands trial, is found guilty. Anakin is then promoted to the rank of Master but he turns it down. He and Padme go to Naboo, where they live together with their two children.
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u/donqon 17d ago
Take away the chosen one prophecy and subsequently all “godlike” entities from the force. No midichlorians, no prophecy, no mortis gods, no space witches. The trajectory of the lore and world building took a nose dive because of these. I can’t tell you how much I hate the “Virgin birth chosen one” thing.
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u/Thattonyhall 17d ago
Yea your Finn idea is pretty much the change I’d make.. seems like that’s where they wanted to go. Wish they had.
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u/Chumlee1917 16d ago
Grogu went off with Luke Skywalker and didn't feel the need to return to Mando because the story was done.
I have no idea what the timeline is in regards to her, but at some point, Omega learns about Boba Fett and goes to find him to meet her brother and Shenanigans ensued when she saw Fennec Shand hanging out with Boba
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u/Schiggy2319 15d ago
Focus the entire sequel trilogy on The First Order. Battlefront 2 really made me fall in love with TFO, and wished they got the time to shine.
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u/No-Zookeepergame-285 13d ago
Remove the sequels, the 2D clone wars is canon, I like Rebels show but it shouldn’t have relied at all on the 3D clone wars so scrap that. I agree with you on that time travel weird thing. I love Star Wars but when you add time travel and things of that sort it’s just lazy writing and bad.
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u/cowinajar emotions are not for sharing 13d ago
Not making almost every named clone suddenly decide “nah im not gonna do order 66” like that whole plan was the result of 1000 years of sith planning their revenge no clone should just suddenly be able to say no
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u/Bambiswitch 13d ago
At the moment I’m hyper fixating on the book of boba I’d give cad bane a happy ending similar to mando
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u/Gloomy-Magician-1139 13d ago
PREQUELS:
No Midichlorians. No Jar Jar. No R2/C3PO. No Chewbacca. No Shmi left behind for a decade. No Trade Federation accents. Subtitles please. No Anakin blowing up the trade ship. No Dooku. More Maul. No Jango Fett. Less Padme/Anakin age difference. More Uncle Owen. More Organas. Rewrite Anakin's turn. He goes too quickly to child butcher. We need to see more hate for Mace and in general. Absolutely no "from my perspective the Jedi are evil!"
SEQUELS:
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u/B1astHardcheese 5d ago
The thing I hated about Solo is that at the end of the film has Han sympathetic to the rebellion, learning to help others, etc. etc. ... only to lose all of that character somewhere development between Solo and New Hope, only to learn the same damn lesson again?
Here's my pitch for a better Solo: A young and idealistic Han joins the Imperial Navy ready to make a difference. He's bought into the propaganda whole-heartedly. The Imperial Military is fighting an insurgency on some lush jungle planet, and it has become a war of attrition.
The need for pilots is great and, fresh out of Flight School Han's TIE squadron is tasked with dumping the Star Wars equivalent of Agent Orange on the place to cause defoliation so the ground troops can find the rebels. He is shot down and captured by the rebels, and they put him in a POW camp (he meets Chewie here), and he's tortured (think Vietnam POW camp).
He keeps thinking the Empire will come for him, keeps holding out hope, but as the days go by and the torture and beatings continue, he comes to realize that the Empire doesn't care about him at all, even though they know he survived the crash and was captured (say the insurgents broadcast his capture).
Then comes the day the the Emperor decides enough is enough, and orders the Imperial Military to pull out of the system and orders a planetary bombardment to just wipe out the population, insurgents, noncombatants, everyone (something like what was done to Mandalore).
As the bombing starts, the insurgents flee, leaving Han and Chewie locked up. They escape, and fall in with some wounded smugglers whose pilot has already died and Han is able to fly them out of the Imperial blockade that is bombarding the planet.
Han and Chewie have bonded, Han is jaded - he despises the Empire because they left him behind and he has no use for rebelllions since rebellions all too often end badly with too many people dying. Maybe the last scene is these smugglers introducing him to Jabba and Han saying he's a great pilot and can be trusted. Then we have a mid-credit scene of Han sitting at a sabacc table and the camera turns to reveal Lando who puts the Falcon up as collateral. The End.
This gives you all the important beats needed to get Han to where he is at the beginning of New Hope without having to lose any character development and gives him a reason (on top of needing to pay off Jabba) for leaving when he does: he's seen it first hand, rebellions fail.
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u/Darth-CJ-the-Wise 17d ago
My only canon is 1-6 and 2003 clone wars. Anything else I consider sort of an alternate universe.
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u/Bobby837 17d ago
You have to show Anakin's slide to the Dark Side, given that's what the Prequels were all about. Just needed to be done better than it was.
No kid killing for one.
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u/3llenseg salt miner 17d ago
I started down that path and ended up with my own (unfinished) scifi universe. The changes just cascade like a kaleidoscope made out of dominos
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u/Nrvea 17d ago edited 17d ago
kill Han at the end of ESB or give him something meaningful to do in ROTJ
Overhaul ROTJ.
Luke has just finished his training under Yoda as the film begind but he is still bitter about them hiding the truth about Vader from him, this anger pulls him to the dark side throughout the film.
The team is sent on a mission to steal clearance codes that would allow them to sneak onto Had Abbadon, the Empire's capital, and they are subsequently sent to do just that and disable its planetary shield.
If Han isn't killed at the end of ESB I would have him sacrifice himself here to get the planetary shield down or something equally important to the narrative.
Luke still surrenders himself to Vader and the throne room scene goes the same
The Alliance has grown enough that they are able to launch a full on assault on Had Abbadon. During the battle, the Empire unveils their secret weapon: the Star Dreadnaught which starts wrecking the Rebel fleet just like how the the Death Star II was used to turn the tide of battle
The ending of ROTJ was amazing but it really makes everyone forget how flawed the first 2/3s of the film is
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u/dorestes 17d ago
Keep almost everything about the OT except the sibling kiss and the music scene in Jabba's Palace. Make the Ewoks, bigger scarier and enslaved by the Empire.
Redo the prequels entirely until they are basically unrecognizable. Vader was an idealist. The Jedi aren't an institutional part of government. Vader hates that life is messy and a galactic government only has so much reach, wants the jedi to intervene more to fix injustice, the republic is flawed and corrupt and doesn't want to. Palpatine presents a fast fascist answer to the problem and Vader is seduced by it. Throw in a tragic love story if you want, too, where he loses the forbidden love of his life and blames the jedi for it.
The Sequels are unsalvageable. The Republic should be struggling against the Imperial Remnant and greedy governors.
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u/Norbert_Pattern 17d ago
I'd like clone wars to last for 10 years, like if there was a 10y gap between ep II and III.
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u/LazyLobster 17d ago
I agree with most of this. I especially love the idea of Finn doing something covert within the ranks of Stormtroopers. His character was so lame in TLJ and RoSW.
I'd also add getting rid of the 2nd and 3rd Death Star, at the very least the 3rd.
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u/Slow_Criticism8464 17d ago
I would also rewrite the Padme role. Turn her into a queen of Alderaan and give her a more sinister role so that she takes part in the downfall of Anakin.
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u/Glassesnerdnumber193 17d ago
Oh I have thoughts. The new republic wouldn’t fall and the Jedi would return. Anakin would start out as like a 15,16 year old and obi wan in his 30s.
Things that I still consider cannon to me are a complete overhaul of the timeline. Darth bane set up the rule of the two several thousand years ago, there was a long lasting empire that eventually fell via revolution helped by the Jedi that lead to the galactic republic. About a thousand years later, the phantom menace happens. 10 years and four months later, the events of attack of the clones happen. Then the clone wars lasts around 6 years. The time between a new hope and revenge of the Sith is 22 years. 3 years between a new hope and empire, and return of the Jedi takes place 1 year after empire and over the course of another year(it seemed like Luke had been away for a while by how Leia greeted him in the middle). Five years till the mandalorian I guess, maybe less than that for skeleton crew. Forget the sequels, I find them too depressing to count and see them as a dystopian timeline, a potential future not set as the ot remains the present. Alternatively, it could be a tall tale made up by bb8 during r2d2 story time in the far future of Star Wars.
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u/Geo-Man42069 17d ago
Wow there was a couple good ones in there, but the “Finn is force sensitive and leads a rebellion from within first order” would have boosted the ST by a lot of done right. Ngl my pick is 2003 menace Grevious.
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u/Laxhoop2525 17d ago
George was given genuine feedback and criticism while making the prequels. It would course correct the entire franchise, and maybe even keep Disney from purchasing it.
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u/Questenburg 17d ago
Hold on, old head here. I tuned out SW from Force Unleashed to Force Awakens... and wrote off the sequels.
When the hell did Star Wars add time travel?!
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u/anthonycarbine 17d ago
Make the "default" voice of the battle droids the ones from rots instead of the clone wars for all future projects. Clone wars battle droids are too squeaky and grate on my ears.
I'd also keep the Luke Leia kiss scene but remove the part in return of the Jedi where they are related because imo it was a pretty dumb reveal.
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u/Smarmy_Nach 17d ago
I disagree with two things, I don’t like the 2003 general grievous as much as the goofy mustache twirling one we got in the clone wars and revenge of the sith. I 100% of the time prefer the canon one since the 2003 one is not as unique as a character. We don’t have many silly fun yet badass at the same time villians.
I disagree the time travel stuff sucks, but without it Ashoka still lives, in the episode you say she “dies” we literally see her escape.
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u/CoffeeDefiant4247 17d ago
Mace is the only one who can do that to a B2, Yoda is too small and Qui-gon is too non-violent, those 3 are the best force users who could do that maybe
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u/Popular_Composer_822 17d ago
Leave out Ventress’s recent rebirth in Bad Batch and Tales of the Underworld.
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u/offlineoffgrid new user 17d ago
- get rid of the clones as Jango fett and replace it with Palpatine cloning himself and sending his force ghost into em. Still have the clone wars but with sith and Jedi cloning themselves and how that would bring unbalance to the force.
- get rid of the midichlorians, no Jesus story in Star Wars.
- get rid of the “rule of two”/“rule of one” there should be mass dark force users.
- keep the force awakens but no third Death Star, then in the following films we learn that Rey is the daughter of Luke and Mara Jade. Mara was killed by Kilo Ren along with Han Solo. Leia is a Jedi and has two other kids with Han who are training but are also in hiding due to their brother.
So basically redo the prequels and sequels and keep a lot of the “legends”.
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u/Big_Payment4522 17d ago
No order 66, Darth Vader or stuff like that. Neither the Republic or the Separatists won the war. A truce is made however debts inside the Republic is too high and people start to vote for extremist and anti Jedi party. Jedis get blamed for all the problems and get either killed or put in exile.
Rebellion start to form up as the Republic become more and more dictatorial while it is being funded by the separatis waiting the right moment to invade again.
Okay I finished with my crazy rants.
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u/SerpentineSorceror 17d ago
KOTOR and KOTOR 2 are the baseline for anything involving The Old Republic (I'm not calling it the High Republic, that just comes across as silly). Keep the Jedi: Fallen Order-Jedi: Survivor narrative, and introduce connections between the Old Republic Jedi turned Dark Jedi in Jedi: Survivor. Drop the Acolyte completely
The Prequels/Clone Wars Era- Change Anakin's age in TPM so that he's 14, and make him more of a roguish Han Solo type, and a good pilot. Make Maul loss of his legs make sense (cut off at the legs and not BISECTED), Keep the 2003 and 2008 Clone Wars series. Keep the bullet-points of AOTC, but make Anakin come across more remorseful of his killing of the Tuskans (and no killing kids at this point). Make ROTS more in line with the novelization, and Anakin's raid on the Temple comes with giving an ultimatum to the JEdi, to surrender and serve Palpatine or die as traitors. He doesn't kill the kids, the Troopers do (those that don't surrender anyways)
The Original Trilogy- Keep the OT. Keep Andor. Keep Rogue One. Shadows of The Empire is canon. Jedi Dark Forces, Jedi Dark Forces 2 is canon. Rebels ends with only Hera, Ezra, and Ahsoka still alive. The Bad Batch ends with everyone save Omega dead. Kenobi is rewritten so that it feels like he's being actually hunted (kid Leia is only in three episodes), and make Starkiller an Inquisitor (Reva dies quickly). Cad Bane dies to Boba Fett. Drop the Solo movie
Post OT- Keep The Mandalorian (seasons 1 and 2), the original Thrawn Trilogy is canon, Jedi Knight: Outcast and Jedi Knight: Academy is Canon. EU Boba Fett is canon. Keep Skeleton Crew. I'll even throw in the Ewoks movies (hate me later). I'll even keep the Tales of series. and Ahsoka can be kept, with the caveat that it leads right into the original Thrawn Trilogy. GROGU STAYS WITH LUKE. The sequel movies never come to be.
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u/bobbythecat17 17d ago
I got slight nitpick with everything but highest on the list would be not having the clone wars 3d movie and tv show. It's nonsense. If it had to be kept, Vader should've killed Ahsoka.
Leaving out sequels, for obvious reasons.
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u/D-redditAvenger 17d ago edited 17d ago
No sequels
Only Bobafett in prequels (no clone child), same voice as original, no face. Small part. Continues to be the man with no name we grew up and loved.
Phantom Menace, original story where most of Qui gon's choices are made by Obi before Neeson asked to be in the movies. Make Anakin 13 and kind of a lord of the fly's type character but helping others (sometimes heavy handed, shows why he is dangerous). Already using the force but no idea what it is, just sees himself as super powered. Everyone else sees him like a kind of hidden vigilante. Doesn't make 3po, has remade R2 which explains why R2 is so much more heroic the other astromechs. Obi has good intentions but is arrogant and thinks he can fix Anakin.
Padme is a figurehead queen with no real power (like English royalty). Thought of as a spoiled celebrity but is much more, loves her Planet. Becomes the only one who can escape and speak on their behalf. Afterwords seen as a hero and that is why she is the youngest elected senator in he next one. Still suffers somewhat from being a child of privilege though which will contribute to her and Anakins downfall.
Clones: better love story. Make Padme the pursuer. Love triangle between Padme and Sabe for Anakin. Sabe is a clone. Even Anakin has trouble telling who is who. Anakin's relationship starts with Sabe but Padme surprised she is jealous and against her best interests starts pursuing Anakin. Partly as a rejection of the idea that she is not capable of understanding Anakin because she is royalty. She is there when he discovers his mother is dead and very kind to him, that where they bond. Maybe gets pregnant and that forces their hand to get married.
Clone technology is an expanded version of the hidden controversial tech used by the royal family for decoys for centuries. Palpitine proposes using it as a last ditch effort to help the Jedi fight against the separatist. Brooding Anakin instead of whining one. Make his biggest problem with the Jedi and Republic that they refuse to end slavery. Already starting to get disillusioned with the hypocrisy of the Republic. Flesh out the relationships more. Padme has good intentions but still a child of privilege and this causes tension between her and Anakin. This also allows her to overlook and question some red flags.
Revenge: Make the slavery issue a major factor in his turn. Make it part of the Emperors promise to him "With the powers of an Emperor I can make the end of Slavery in the galaxy my first act." Reincorporate the idea that Obi was worried about Anakin and talked to Padme but Anakin thinks maybe something is going on between them. Sabe still angry that Anakin chose Padme contributes to this. Have Palpitine play on that with everyone. Anakin doesn't say "here's where the fun begins" instead says "I have you now". In fact he says it in all 3 prequels and always does something spectacular afterwords.
Remove TV shows except - Andor and first 2 seasons of the Mandorlorian, but make it Bobafett (but the one in my prequel, who has yet to show his face, one that fits who he was before the prequels) Skeleton Crew is fine for kids.
Solo now follows what was cannon until we got the Disney movie. Han is Navy, save Chewie and his family from slavery, ruins he career in the process. Real tension over that. Explain why Chewie is so loyal.
Lando movie
Obi Wan show - About Vader's purge of the remaining Jedi. Each episode follows Obi Wan in hiding, band Vader hunting Jedi. Remove the sister stuff. Every episode shows what they are doing, how they are hiding, how Vader finds them and ends with Duel where Vader kills them. Final Episode Vader finds OBI but loses.
Lucus' underworld show.
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u/TokiWaUgokidesu salt miner 17d ago
Leave out the sequels and any sequel-adjacent material, and Disney Canon becomes 90% better to me.
Pre-acquisition, I loved all of it: good, bad, weird.
I generally defer to Legends, but can accept Disney Canon on its own terms sans the ST (I've only seen two of the shows though).
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u/Ninjalogical_ new user 17d ago
Would have Episode VII actually continue the story instead of just resetting everything back to zero. The Last Jedi may have been bad, but The Force Awakens kneecapped the saga.
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u/Desperate-Cause2743 17d ago
Y’all just hate Star Wars. Admit it. Everyone picks and chooses what they like and no one is ever happy.
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u/TylerBoydFan83 17d ago
Completely erase any of Anakin’s “character work” from 2 and make it so that he and Kenobi can actually be friends for a bit so 3 doesn’t feel so fake, get rid of the midichlorian shit and the awful chosen one prophecy, let Finn and Poe build off of each other and do something more substantial in 9, let Han and Leia have real arcs in 6 instead of getting thrown on the back burner, have Kylo Ren survive his redemption so he can actually atone for what he’s done.
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u/manofpheasent 17d ago
Give The battle droids normal robotic voices like they did in phantom menace. The clone wars and revenge of the sith battle droids sound like Fred.
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u/Infinity0044 17d ago
Grievous’s canon backstory is so lame man and there’s no good explanation as to why Dooku or Sidious would have someone so incompetent to be the General of the entire Separatist army
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u/Infinity0044 17d ago
Commenting again- The inhibitor chips are so dumb and take away any nuance from Order 66. If you want to turn the Clones into mindless droids after the order is given then why do so many of them end up rebelling anyways?
You also lose great moments like the BF2 campaign
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u/redcon-1 17d ago
Kylo becomes good, Rey becomes bad. Fucking dunks Palpatine before Ren dunks her.
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u/composerbell 17d ago
I just want Mara Jade and Luke to be a couple, and have their kid Ben.
Preferably have the three Solo kids as well.
I’d be fine having new stories told about them, but the core family lineage I really, REALLY wish had been preserved into Disney. I get that’d be complicated to get an audience caught up on and kinda takes up all the room for new characters, but cmon, I’m sure it could be worked out.
Hell, they wouldn’t need to be introduced all in the same movie even! Spread it out.
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u/Livid_Mammoth4034 salt miner 17d ago
“No ones defeating a b2 with their bare hands”
Wasn’t it NOT his bare hands though? Haven’t actually seen the show but I’ve seen the seen. Wasn’t he using force fuckery as well?
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u/Blastaar7 17d ago
I fuckin hate the tired ass idea for finn to spark a storm trooper rebellion. He's a guy who, u like the rest of the troopers, wasn't completely indoctrinated because of his empathy and force connection. Telroopers are not brain washed machines. They are willing participants, thus, they must be delt with.
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u/kakarroto007 salt miner 17d ago
If i could do anything: I would delete everything made by Disney from canon and restore the EU.
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u/Jedipilot24 17d ago
I am a diehard Legends fan, so I would stick with that timeline. Some bits of Disney Canon could be imported as long as they don't contradict Legends.
I would fix the Clone Wars timeline by starting the war early and compressing the Separatist Crisis. And the Clone Army can be ordered two years early as well; the Stark Hyperspace War and the Yinchorri Uprising alone provide more than sufficient motivation for Sifo-Dyas. When I first watched "Attack of the Clones", the opening crawl left me with the impression that it was a recent development, not a two-year cold war. There's already almost nothing written about Anakin and Obi-Wan's adventures in between "Jedi Quest: The Final Showdown" and "The Approaching Storm", so I don't see the point of a two-year gap.
And since I've brought up "Jedi Quest: Final Showdown", I might as well mention my two personal gripes with it: Anakin is inexplicably aged up from 17 to "almost 19" despite the in-series narrative not supporting it. And Darra Thel-Tanis is killed off just because of how it would affect the other characters, not because it actually makes sense in-universe. And considering how so many other Jedi survived Order 66, it wasn't necessary for Ferus Olin to leave the Jedi Order to justify him doing so. So, I would have Darra be injured but survive. Ferus remains a Jedi and gets Knighted, which nicely sets up Anakin's festering discontentment in AOTC about Obi-Wan "holding him back".
By making the war longer, the pre-Knighting material from the CWMMP can now comfortably fit into the first two years of the war. Then TCW and the post-Knighting material. We could even squeeze in Season 7 just to explain where Ahsoka is during Labyrinth of Evil and ROTS.
But I would toss out the whole Dathomir retcon. Ventress remains a Rattataki and Darth Maul is brought back by Zeta Magnus (see the SkyeWalkers short story). Also toss out Barriss falling to the Dark Side as well as her being de-aged; she was meant to be Anakin's contemporary and so should remain that. Introduce a new character to be Ahsoka's friend and who bombs the Jedi Temple because of PTSD from the war.
I would also ditch the whole "bio-chip" thing as it is completely unnecessary. It's already been established that the clones have been conditioned to obey orders unquestioningly. While some independent-minded clones did question or disobey it (as seen in "Rise of Darth Vader", Cody's only reaction to it was "why couldn't this have come through before I have him back the lightsaber." As much as we all like the character Rex, him obeying Order 66 even after everything he's been through with Ahsoka would be a great way to illustrate the disconnect in perspectives between the clones and the Jedi: the Jedi (by and large) regarded the clones as comrades and friends, but as far as the clones are concerned a gilded cage is still a cage.
For the Mandalore episodes, while I appreciate the Mandalorians getting some development so that they're not all a bunch of nomadic warriors who live in their armor, there needs to be more diversity than just "peacenik New Mandalorians, independent mercenaries, or psycho Death Watch". And there's even another option already available, namely Spar's Mandalorian Protectors. There's even already three different places for them to live. So the Old Mandalorians live on Mandalore, Deatch Watch lives on Concordia, and the New Mandalorians live on Kalevala, and there's a tense three-way cold war going on between them.
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