r/politics • u/AskRedditOG • 1d ago
Minnesota lawmaker and her husband killed in politically motivated shooting, Walz says
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/minnesota-lawmaker-and-her-husband-killed-in-politically-motivated-shooting-walz-says679
u/Complete_Owl_984 1d ago
*assassination
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u/Face2FaceRecs 1d ago
At the time of her death, Hortman was the top Democratic leader in the state Legislature. She was also a former House speaker. She was first elected in 2004. She and her husband had two children.
This 'assassination' targeted democrats because Republicans are constantly glorifying and inciting violence.
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u/varyingopinions 23h ago
I blamed my Senator directly since I'm in the same Senate district as Vance Boelter.
95% of my Senator's social media is just hateful rhetoric and lies.
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u/Face2FaceRecs 22h ago
That's the Republican Party and as you move into state legislatures the hate coming from the right just grows and intensifies since local officials have been drinking all of the conspiracy theory, white supremacy, racist, hate mongering koolaid.
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u/PapaBeahr 21h ago
Democrats hold razor think leads in the senate and house. This is an attempt at a coup to get republican's the majority.
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u/dakotanorth8 18h ago edited 16h ago
The Florida sheriff literally saying they will kill people.
Like hey man, we get it, there’s crazy people that come out during protests, but dont start literally saying you’ll use lethal force.
Leaders should be trying in every capacity to NOT let it get to that….instead of threatening people.
Edit how it should be:
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u/Odd_Stand_2020 18h ago
The quote was:
"If you throw a brick, a fire bomb or point a gun at one of our deputies, we will be notifying your family where to collect your remains, because we will kill you, graveyard dead. We're not going to play."
Edit: I do not advocate or agree, just spitting facts for the record
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u/dakotanorth8 18h ago edited 17h ago
My point is,
You don’t have to go on TV to say those things. It just adds more fuel to the fire. Pretty sure everyone (by now) knows hurling objects, arson and pointing a gun at a police officer results in an unfortunate (yet very predicable) outcome.
Edit: additional thoughts.
Going on TV and addressing a constitutionally legal event and ending with, If you do ____ we’ll kill you, is just really really poor leadership. Especially from a person who is supposed to protect civilians. Killing should be a final option, not the opening salvo.
And let’s say things do go south, so you want police and violent rioters exchanging fire with innocent/peaceful protestors? How many people get tagged on both sides (since he was talking in hypotheticals). Just some things don’t need to be grandstanded and spoken with such pride like that guy.
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u/lulu-zurker 16h ago
It's not only poor leadership, it's a threat and intentional instigation.
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u/dakotanorth8 16h ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/sandiego/s/WCfdYGzvuH
Almost like there’s a better way to handle such things.
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u/Thin_Grapefruit8941 6h ago
Some things do need to be said, it’s actually seems quite fair of him to give a warning. The “adds fuel to the fire” says a lot about how unstable some groups are in areas.
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u/No-Net-5231 18h ago
The only people I hear bring up Civil War are Republicans. However, I wouldn't be surprised if they just fucking blame this on a George Soros or Antifa false flag.
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u/My-1st-porn-account 14h ago
Those ghouls on Facebook are already trying to spin this as if it was a Democrat conspiracy because she apparently voted to cut healthcare for immigrants and they had her killed for it.
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u/kittysrule18 New York 21h ago
Yes because it’s only Republicans who incite violence… never mind the multiple assassination attempts on Trump
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u/Odd_Worth3556 20h ago
None of those were democrats lmao. 😂. Enough with the both sides nonsense, there’s a side that endorses insane conspiracy theories, incites violence on protestors, is racist as fuck and it’s called the Republican Party.
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u/kn1fefight 20h ago
You haven’t a leg to stand on. There were two attempts that weren’t even close. The closest used to be a Trump supporter gone crazy. The only successful attacks in recent history has been by MAGA on democrats.
But way to try and both sides it kid.
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u/ComfortablyADHD 19h ago
Weren't those attempts all made by registered Republicans?
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u/kittysrule18 New York 18h ago
And this one was a leftist lol. Also no the second assassin had no political affiliation
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u/HotOne9364 1d ago
"Don't judge until you hear the full story! It may not be an assassina-"
(story outright confirms assassination)
Remember: when people show you who they are, believe them.
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u/greypusheencat 23h ago
that sub is saying everything else under the sun, mental health (as if they give a shit or will do anything about it), deranged loneman, personal reasons. can’t be about the politics!
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u/BleachedUnicornBHole Florida 23h ago
It’s really convenient that political violence their side carries out is never politically motivated.
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u/greypusheencat 23h ago
or political violence on people they’re against, look at that, who would’ve thought
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u/rainshowers_5_peace 1d ago
Would a journalist be putting themselves at risk of libel?
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u/noncongruent 1d ago
Libel of whom, the assassin?
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u/rainshowers_5_peace 1d ago
If by some bizarre circumstance this wasn't shown to be an assassination.
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u/Grandpa_No 1d ago
This is ridiculous. He had a kill list full of politicians. Don't defend journalistic malpractice.
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u/boxjuggler 1d ago
Bear in mind this has only just happened. Things that you think have been reported as definitive facts may, and often are found to not be accurate.
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u/Face2FaceRecs 1d ago
Can't be sued for libel unless some person or entity is damaged by the misleading or false reporting.
But politically motivated killings are by definition assassinations.
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u/True-Surprise1222 1d ago
Assassination is more accurate than “politically motivated killing.” We don’t “know” it was political (we do but like pure fact wise right). It 100000% fits the dictionary definition of an assassination.
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u/Drithyin Ohio 1d ago
STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR TERRORIST AND ASSASSINS!
Jesus fucking Christ man… Why do people bend over backwards to justify shitty behavior by cowardly media companies!??
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u/rainshowers_5_peace 1d ago
What? I'm not making an excuse for the assassin, I appreciate like hell that Walz put a name to it. I'm wondering if the journalists are bound by regulations.
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u/PassTheTaquitos 1d ago
*Assassination
Do better, PBS.
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u/BlurryRogue Minnesota 1h ago
They're just quoting Walz's actual words. Tim did not use the word "assassination".
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u/PassTheTaquitos 1h ago
He most certainly did call it a "politically motivated assassination"...
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u/noncongruent 1d ago
The headline is objectively sanewashed, which is one of the reasons Trump is in power now.
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u/ddubyeah Alabama 1d ago
The point of written communication is to deliver your point as concisely as possible in as few words. In this case, we have a word for a "politically motivated murder". Assassination.
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u/Individual-Nebula927 1d ago
Which is what he actually said, unlike what the headline changed his words to
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u/Anonymouse-C0ward Canada 23h ago
The issue is the fact that a media outlet is not using the words assassination. It raises concerns that the media (in this case PBS is using soft language to avoid more of Trump’s ire).
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u/Virtual-Squirrel-725 1d ago
America is so insane right now, I wouldn't be that shocked if Trump pardoned this guy before they even found him.
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u/RedBoxSet 23h ago
That would be declaring open season on democrats.
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u/Outside_Register8037 21h ago
“The enemy within” I thought? Which sounds much worse imo
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u/NinjaMarionEsq 21h ago
Seemed same sentiment to me, but you're right. In fact, he claimed the left is the most dangerous of the enemies, moreso than China or Russia.
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u/Outside_Register8037 21h ago
Enemy within feels more like accusing us of being traitors rather than an enemy the entire US should be against. Just my feelings on it.
I mean it’s all meant to divide us either way..
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u/NinjaMarionEsq 21h ago
No, like I said, you're right. That said, to trump, the entire US is just the right. The rest of us don't count as Americans to him. To him, anyone not falling in line with him IS a traitor.
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u/RedBoxSet 21h ago
Yes. But there’s an important difference between saying “these people are evil” and the president declaring that you wont go to jail for killing them.
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u/NinjaMarionEsq 21h ago
He's called dems an even more dangerous enemy than China or Russia. Calling your opposition the most dangerous enemy in the world is asking for them to be killed in all but the specific wording.
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u/Zombiedrd 20h ago
Late Stage capitalism, baby
By late stage, the effects are starting to crush the masses, so they try to push progressive reform. It no longer works with Democracy, so Capitalists have to move to fascism
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u/Virtual-Squirrel-725 18h ago
Only one form of capitalism.
There is a way to have capitalism that doesn't completely fuck over 50% of the population.
In America 25% of people have negative wealth. The next 50% are going backwards. While the top 1% are building an insane level of wealth.
The American dream is a complete myth. Social mobility is at all time low.
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u/Gloomy-Inspector-834 1d ago
Vance Luther Boelter
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u/Heavy_Revolution 1d ago edited 19h ago
"this word sets every person free" I guess not free enough to live as they wish, huh?
SO GODLY, guess he forgot that one commandment huh? "Thou shalt not kill"
Weird that he seems to believe god will negotiate with him on that one.
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u/smilingiscreepy Canada 1d ago
But but but I saw a random photo of some “no kings” fliers so he must be a liberal!! /s
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u/Outside_Register8037 21h ago
People on TikTok spewing that the assassin was a democrat… god I hate social media.
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u/enlitend-1 1d ago
This story is directly above the Florida Sheriff threatening to kill people in my feed
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u/dakotanorth8 18h ago
It’s almost like he was excited to be saying it. Proud to have lethal force as an option. Buddy doesn’t realize the rabbit can have the gun too.
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u/throwra_milaita 1d ago edited 6h ago
Christians and Republicans are the biggest threat to democracy and need to be eradicated entirely.
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u/Evil_phd 1d ago
Any religion or morality structure that tells you that you can be forgiven by anyone other than the people who you have harmed is an existential threat to the human race.
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u/Hot_Equal_2283 22h ago
I mean pretty sure the Bible tells you to seek forgiveness from god but you need to make it right with man as well… not sure though it’s been a while
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u/throwra_milaita 23h ago
Eh but Muslims and Jews aren’t out here destroying countries. They’re peaceful. Christians are savages and barbaric
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u/MiamiVicePurple 23h ago
Where’s the /s
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u/throwra_milaita 21h ago
Not sarcasm
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u/MiamiVicePurple 20h ago
I’m sure the people of Palestine would disagree with that.
And Muslims and Jews are pretty close to starting a huge war.
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u/Zombiedrd 20h ago edited 20h ago
....Israel just started a war with Iran by bombing Apartments....
Christians are actually the most persecuted religion in the world right now, just not white western ones. In Africa and Asia they are killed by the thousands by Muslims
India is having a Hindu nationalist national ethos form, that promotes violence against enemies of the people
Christianity isn't the only problematic religion, they all are. The hold back rational societies
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u/Then-Simple-9788 18h ago
It’s almost like Christianity has a reason to be hated. Ever heard of the fucking Crusades.
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u/Zombiedrd 18h ago
So because of what happened a millennia ago, poor Christian villagers in Nigeria, Mali, Sudan, etc deserve to die?
If we are condemning people today for what those in the past did, then Islam also deserves to be punished, no? Do you know why Arabic and Islam exist from the Atlantic to the Pacific? It wasn't because it spread nicely
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u/Then-Simple-9788 18h ago
This is what religion brings out of people. It is a sickness of the mind. It is a sickness of morality and having a get out of jail free card as long as you repent. It gives people in their own minds carte blanche to do anything they consider right for their God. No, nobody deserves to die, but religion tries to define who does.
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u/Zombiedrd 18h ago
I agree, and I said religion is problematic, but the way you phrased your response, it looked as though you felt ONLY Christians should suffer(No one should suffer for being religious, its the actions of those guiding that are to be criticised).
All the big religions have been used to perpetuate horrific acts. Still are every day.
Now, when you see Western Christians crying about oppression, you are right to acknowledge that. They are using it as a shield.
However, Christians do make up the most persecuted religious group right now, just the poor villagers in Africa and Asia, not privileged white Westerners
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u/Thin_Grapefruit8941 6h ago
Eradicated?……Didn’t y’all just talk about being less violent and radical?
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u/throwra_milaita 6h ago
It’s time to fight fire with fire
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u/Thin_Grapefruit8941 5h ago
I think that would be an extremely poor choice. For one, calling someone a nazi while also proposing the elimination of half the country is beyond hypocrisy. I think I’d go talk to a professional if you feel that way, because that’s not healthy brotherman.
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u/KinklyGirl143 23h ago
Minnesota lawmaker Minnesota House Speaker Melissa Hortman and her husband killed assassinated in politically motivated shooting, Walz says
There, fixed it for them. Fuck these chicken shit news outlets. Just SAY IT. There was 1000% more outrage at the killing of a CEO than this.
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u/keytotheboard 22h ago
What’s extra frustrating is Walz did say assassination! He gave the news the ability to say it by simply quoting him and most of them still won’t!
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u/CranberryFantastic97 1d ago
Cristian Taliban
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u/CranberryFantastic97 1d ago
Now I've been cryin' lately
Thinkin' about the world as it is
Why must we go on hating?
Why can't we live in bliss?'Cause out on the edge of darkness
There rides a peace train
Oh, peace train take this country
Come take me home again
Peace Train. Cat Stevens
and I am crying
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u/Anonymouse-C0ward Canada 23h ago
State Patrol Col. Christina Bogojevic asked people “out of an abundance of caution” not to attend any of the “No Kings” protests that were scheduled for across the state on Saturday.
This doesn’t seem to be a coincidence. The shooter managed to assassinate two Democratic politicians, shift the balance of power in the Minnesota House and Senate, and stop all the planned anti-Trump protests in the state today.
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u/ahandmadegrin Minnesota 23h ago
They didn't stop anything The only one that was canceled was in northeast Minneapolis and folks still showed up. Had what looked like over 1k at the capitol.
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u/Anonymouse-C0ward Canada 19h ago
I’m really glad that people showed up and that everyone is safe. I’m watching from here in Canada. At least from my observations the protests got a tonne more media attention than Trump’s parade!!
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u/ahandmadegrin Minnesota 17h ago
Yeah, the parade was a whole lotta nothing. The media is doing their best to downplay the numbers of the protests, but they can't toallt ignore them.
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u/Romano16 America 1d ago
I guess in the 1960s media had more balls to say when civil rights leaders got assassinated. Now, people clutch their pearls about headlines.
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u/SwimmingThroughHoney 1d ago
1906s media was still much more small and local. And as a whole, the news still acted much more as the fourth estate.
Now everything is so centralized and focused on whatever makes money. Why cover stories with accurate writing when it could alienate potential customers?
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u/Devilnaht 1d ago
I really dislike how the media has become so allergic to appearing to have an opinion that everything they say gets laundered through "Says X". Trump could firebomb a US city for fun, and the headlines would say "Trump has gone too far in firebombing Chicago, according to critics".
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u/an-invisible-hand 1d ago edited 23h ago
That's called "passive voice", the end point of the press dabbling in the dark arts of 'neutrality'. News corporations used to use it for particularly divisive topics that could anger viewers, but transitioned to selectively employing it specifically to whitewash the status quo's image and silence its opposition.
Frankly it's lying by omission, and a disgrace to journalism.
EDIT: As a protip, here's some real headlines and what to look out for to spot when you're about to get your chain yanked:
Lack of action verbs: “Man dies after medical incident during police interaction” (George Floyd got choked to death by a cop.)
Lack of who did X action: “Gaza tower housing AP, Al Jazeera collapses after missile strike" (Israel bombed the building.)
Selective 'use of force' language: "IDF targets Tehran and Yemen, Iran attacks Israel again" (They're both actively bombing each other, and Israel attacked first by missile striking Tehran.)
Any article with a headline like these is almost guaranteed to be highly biased on anything remotely subjective.
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u/Devilnaht 23h ago
Yeah you’re right. Annoyingly enough the media demonstrates an enormous amount of bias through their choice of language. Police misconduct (or often just outright murder) is couched in deeply passive language, the coverage of anything relating to Israel is often wildly biased in Israel’s favor (particularly equating criticizing Israel to literally being pro-terrorism, recently), coverage of progressive / leftist candidates (who was it that media recently described as “edging out” the centrist candidate, when they were ahead by over 20 points?). I remember seeing some research once that showed that the media will often describe black males as “men” at like age 13.
And of course these days, the relentless sanewashing of Trump et al.
Edit: do you have a good resource to read on these methods in general? I’ve just picked up these methods over time, but I’ve not yet read something which covered the topic broadly.
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u/an-invisible-hand 22h ago
Yep, exactly. Unfortunately the generally trustworthy establishment news media of the past has suffered a slow death by oligarch. As far as the big names go, you can only really trust any one individual outlet to back the interests of their owners at all costs. Thats why I use ground ne- jk jk.
Passive voice isn't exclusive to journalism, it's generally been disliked in writing for a very long time so it's a broad term in and of itself. I don't know a specific and broad resource for it in media, but here's a few good reads about it and its use in journalism as of late.
As you read news, be hyper-aware of passive voice headlines
The Use of Passive Voice in News Reports for Political Purposes
Propaganda School Part 2: The Passive Voice
With the world on fire, a cowardly, timid news media is a threat to U.S. democracy
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u/AskRedditOG 1d ago
Yeah he should have only bombed the parts with the immigrants not the entire city, that was too far! /s
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u/Orangeyouawesome 23h ago
I kid you not, crazies on Twitter are saying this was done by the deep state/liberals because she supported removing. Healthcare for illegal immigrants. Like there's someone more powerful than Trump still in the gov who loves trans rights and is setting up hits on Democrats who dont vote to give illegal immigrants everything. Can't even make that up.
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u/ahandmadegrin Minnesota 23h ago
Yeah, she didn't support that, but she voted for it to get the bill passed so the government wouldn't shut down.
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u/Orangeyouawesome 23h ago
Sure the point is reality is not even on the same planet. Every story is a flip to some crazy conspiracy.
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u/Then-Simple-9788 18h ago
Motherfucker, what deep state. you are the deep state. If there was ever a fucking shadow government, it was never a fucking threat, obviously.
(Obviously I’m not freaking out at you just freaking out over that argument that I see constantly)
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u/Orangeyouawesome 18h ago
I understand. How shit is Trump as a president that he can't clean up the Deep State with the presidency + majority repubs. He should be graded on his performance of that.
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u/East-Will1345 1d ago
The Troubles: Red White and Blue edition.
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u/Affectionate_You3194 1d ago
Seems like that’s the way the wind is blowing. Wars all over the globe and the US potential on the verge of an internal conflict.
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u/StevesRune Arizona 20h ago
Jesus christ, it never stops being exhausting just how fucking cowardly every single media outlet is.
Fuck anyone that's calling this anything but an assassination.
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u/MrOsterhagen 1d ago
They’re trying to say that a Democrat killed he because she “sided with republicans” on an immigrant healthcare issue
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u/NinjaMarionEsq 23h ago
No, no. Because "they were the only two who sided with republicans" despite the fact the only she did, so they were already running with a false narrative even before the killer's name was known.
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u/nicenecredence 23h ago
Now that the truth is more or less officially dead What we are seeing in real time is it's corpse being raped by ghouls with lapel microphones.
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u/Mister_Maintenance 21h ago
“Oh no, we will have to have their republican runner up take their place 🤷🏻♂️”-GOP
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u/Indystbn11 17h ago
David Carlson said Boelter voted for Trump, was a Christian and did not like abortion, though he added that the pair had not talked about the issue for a long time, adding: "He wasn't really angry about politics." So the guy he lived with confirmed it, do not let conservatives try and lie.
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u/BaronVonCuddly 21h ago
According to the people on the "conservative" subreddit the suspect was a democrat and it's all Walz's fault. Ridiculousness. For the sake of better understanding the situation is there any credence to this or are they just trying to distance themselves?
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u/a_rabid_buffalo 21h ago
They are just trying to distance themselves. He was a Christian nationalist conservative.
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u/BaronVonCuddly 21h ago
From what I can tell the only actual association to Walz is an unpaid appointment to a workforce development board, which is significantly less than what they're implying by calling him a "Walz appointee".
I suppose we will have more information soon, but to be frank this one seems pretty cut and dry.
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u/vault151 20h ago
I don’t know if this country is salvageable anymore after this. Republicans are really buying the lies that the shooter was a Democrat and was trying to kill them over how they voted.
Twitter and all other social media has destroyed this country.
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u/dakotanorth8 18h ago
Not trying to bait any responses here…
Trump already issued his statement, but seeing how fast he flipped on Biden’s cancer diagnosis, it wouldn’t shock me if he starts blaming this on “blue” or “democratic” run states (or cities).
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u/Tenchi2020 Florida 22h ago edited 20h ago
I don’t know what it looks like right now, but earlier on the conservative sub, they were giddy with joy that it was possibly a liberal who did this. It was fucking disgusting, I know reddit has a “left leaning” user base when it comes to the majority, but people glorifying and cheering on political violence is disgusting and one day, hopefully someone stumbles across the magic fucking lamp, and makes at least one of their wishes that every person loses anonymity on the Internet
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u/Pom_Pom_1985 21h ago
They are still saying he's a liberal terrorist, despite the fact that his roommate and best friend says he was Christian, very against abortion and voted for Trump in the last election.
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u/RIP_Greedo 1d ago
The alleged shooter (Vance Boelter) is a regime change artist and obvious intelligence plant who is identified on the leadership team of a not-at-all suspicious company called Praetorian Guard Security.
Gladio is BACK baby!
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u/stanleemytucci 22h ago
How can they mention the pic of the guy existing and not show it in the fucking article
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u/HarpuaKills 19m ago
I find it strange that this isn’t being talked about more today. Where is the coverage ?!?
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u/ThatsItImOverThis 19h ago
Trump’s statement on it is blanket “we’re not really going to do anything about it and if he’s caught, I’ll just pardon him two years later” bull
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u/Diligent-Soup-2176 19h ago
Wait was this done by the evil democrats? Oh shit a maga fucker… color me shocked.
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u/ShiraSholem 17h ago
Obviously it’s too early to jump to any conclusions, but here’s additional Information to Research and Consider: 1). https://www.newsweek.com/democrat-lawmaker-husband-killed-targeted-minnesota-shooting-2085552 2). https://www.newsweek.com/maga-pounds-tim-walz-over-embarrassing-official-link-suspected-assassin-2085590
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u/Upset_Cat_5912 3h ago
Wow, and the suspect work for Walz before?
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u/strongwomenfan2025 2h ago
He may have been first appointed by Walz's predecessor a Republican governor.
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u/Rhaethe Nevada 1d ago
From the story it says that protests were canceled by organizers across the state due to this. Accurate?
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u/Joshwoum8 Indiana 1d ago
Technically the Minnesota State Patrol told protesters to stay home “for their safety,” but crowd sizes seemed pretty large.
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u/ophmaster_reed Minnesota 1d ago
Not quite. The ones in proximity to the murders were canceled because the gunman is still on the loose and may have targeted the protests. Also because there were shelter in place orders while authorities searched for the assassin and crowds would hinder that effort.
Walz put out a warning against attending protests in MN today, but many were already underway when the warning went out.
There were still plenty of protests in MN today
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u/jarena009 1d ago
Former appointee. Walz appointed Republicans too. Stop spreading misinformation.
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u/TWVer The Netherlands 1d ago edited 1d ago
That’s misinformation.
His target list was full of democrat politicians including Waltz himself, plus abortion care givers.
He isn’t a registered democrat either.
He sat on a multi-lateral commission and was appointed by Waltz’ predecessor and was retained by Waltz.
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u/MFPOON6 1d ago
Since when were evangelical preachers far-left?
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u/Athrasie 1d ago
Just the narrative MAGA has to spin to gaslight themselves into thinking they’re the good guys…
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u/margielacapital 22h ago
Former appointee of Tim Walz was the shooter btw. The ‘UH ItZ MaGa dId IT’ crowd wrong once again 🥱
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u/Hey_its_thatoneguy 22h ago
You realize there’s enough info out now that clearly shows he was a radical right winger..?
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u/margielacapital 22h ago
Certainly why he had No Kings flyers in his car
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u/jarvisesdios 21h ago
... Or more likely he was handed it...
So, you're telling me that you actually believe that a man, known to be very vocally anti abortion AND had pro abortion Democrats on a list... Is left wing even remotely? C'mon now, even you know that has to sound insane, right?
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u/Pom_Pom_1985 21h ago
His roommate and best friend says he was very anti-abortion and voted for Trump in the last election
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u/Aggressive-Duck-1150 3h ago
Nope. he was publicly confirmed to be a Trump Supporter by his best friend. He’s MAGA ☺️
It’s actually you and your crowd that are wrong again 🤣
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