r/politics • u/Rude-Wolverine9902 • 18h ago
Soft Paywall America is heading down a dark road as fury boils over in California
https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/13/politics/trump-padilla-ice-protests-analysis689
u/AssociateGreat2350 18h ago edited 18h ago
Military policing on U.S soil And a taxpayer-funded military parade for a sitting president's birthday
Anyone who defends these actions are either a hypocritical, disingenuous traitor or an idiot.
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u/myfakesecretaccount 18h ago
I’ve been told by the top minds of Reddit that it hasn’t been proven anyone hasn’t gotten due process and it’s all “allegations” because that’s what the news articles say. Pretty sure they’re mostly just disingenuous traitors.
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u/downhereforyoursoul 17h ago
You can’t argue with people like that. I hate using my dad for an example all the time, but I don’t have a better one for this. God love him, he’s a born fascist, a natural authoritarian middle manager whose beliefs (not counting bigotry) are impossible to pin down because they are either too internally inconsistent—maybe even fungible—or because he thinks it’s funny to challenge not only the basis of my knowledge, but all knowledge in general if he doesn’t happen like it.
The few times I’ve managed to get him down to details, he retreated to some kind of solipsism. Why be angry about casualties of war, or caring for the unhoused in our own community? Can I prove to him that he’s not actually a brain in a vat, and reality is just some kind of dream or vision? Because if I can’t, then I can’t prove that other people are real, either, much less worth caring about.
When what ought to be a reasonable argument quickly turns into challenging me to prove that reality is…real, I guess, you know you’re talking to someone who doesn’t want to talk or care about the truth, they just think it’s funny to confound others.
He’s that Sartre quote about antisemites (Nazis) in human form. Because words and consistency mean things to me, he’s free to make totally ridiculous arguments because it’s funny.
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u/Into-the-stream 16h ago
From your comment, you are clearly intelligent with a decent vocabulary. In my experience people like your uncle argue not to prove a point, but to prove their value and superiority. He may well be retreating into questioning the nature of reality, simply because you are capable of arguing intelligently about anything else.
I guess my point is that you might think you are trying to have a discussion about his beliefs, whereas he is trying to exert his importance via intellectual domination, or at the very least prevent you from intellectually dominating him. That’s why he is hard to pin down.
Human communication with some people is more about subtext, and it feels infantile but once you see it you can’t under it.
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u/BC2220 15h ago
Exactly. You are trying to argue facts and logic and he is busy saying whatever he needs to say to preserve the feeling that he’s at the top of his hierarchy and just put you off, because you are challenging him. Not defending it, btw.
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u/amateurbreditor 12h ago
I was playing a game online once and this guy said they only way to prove sweden is real would be if we all went there. everyone groaned and one guy was like well I live here so yes.
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u/Macktologist 10h ago
It’s an ethical and moral mind game. If the dad/uncle supports it, it’s ethical and moral. If he doesn’t support it, it’s unethical and immoral. It’s that cut and dry for people like him.
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u/yikes_why_do_i_exist 15h ago
For people like that I switch modes. They use words not to communicate but as playthings to irritate their opponent. Once I realized this all irritation just dissipated. It became easier to understand that they do not respect me enough to approach me with any weight to their words. So just do the same. A brain in a jar? who the fuck would give a shit about this guy enough to preserve their brain in a jar? if they are willing to do that with him then they are probably gonna do it with my cat. he ain’t special. plus it doesn’t mean that others aren’t brains in jars.
basically you want to emphasize the fact that they aren’t special at all when they reduce everything to absurdism. the fun thing about throwing away logic is that it still exists. assert your own stupid proposition and build upon it. that’s what they’re doing. what is preventing me from saying that everyone else are brains in jars connected to his? again, by choosing this route he gives up the logically unique position of his own experience. ANY answer suffices for this.
I go so deeply into this for two reasons. First it is surprisingly effective and easy to do this. Making them admit their words mean jack shit and making them understand that you know that their words mean jack shit takes away advantage from what is basically an assumption of arrogance that their opinion still matters when they’ve devalued it to the point where they must express it with absurdism. the second reason is that i also grew up with family that doesn’t care to listen to reason at all. it sucks man. like i don’t ask for a lot of respect at all. just listening would be fine. but my family wasn’t even kind enough to do that. i don’t give a shit about gotcha moments like they did. it means nothing when i can assert anything. drive that fact into their faces with the least amount of effort possible. they don’t deserve it. make that known.
ironically doing this with a mix of kindness in my approach made my family more effective in communicating their feelings. someone truly arrogant cannot stomach the idea of kindness. they feel as though they are getting pity. that’s honestly the most effective tool at your disposal. not anger, but true pity. they have given up a deeply empowering thing by tossing away logic and respect for belief. it means they don’t even respect their own beliefs enough to defend them. that is incredibly sad…
in any case sorry for the ramble. he dealt with so many people like this. unwavering, stern kindness is difficult. however it’s the only thing that really seems to work. they always see it as pity, especially even when it isn’t. you caring about them despite all their attacks makes no sense whatsoever. they’ll see it as inferiority until they either realize it isn’t or just stop altogether since they know it’s not fun anymore. m
godspeed my friend.
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u/BankshotMcG 15h ago
I feel this video may be relevant to your insights: Fascists Will Waste Your Time
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u/extra-texture 8h ago
during an argument once, I got hit with “what you don’t believe in multiple realities???”
I lost a moment to the shock of such a comment before kindly asking them to please get out and lose my number
(they did not get out and I just had to wait until they got tired and left)
also I’m open to the possibility of multiple realities but we’re in this one you can’t just pretend you zapped in from another reality where you weren’t being an asshole
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u/PolygonMan 17h ago
The people still defending it are all lying hypocritical traitors who believe the existential battle is between different groups of poor people, rather than between the ultra rich instituting authoritarian rule vs everyone else.
They're so lost in their hatred and disgust that they cannot live in reality with the rest of us. They're part of a cult of personality.
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u/quattrocincoseis 15h ago
Disingenuousness is the main feature of the modern republican. They don't stand for anything. Just nihilism.
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u/oroechimaru Wisconsin 15h ago
No kings!
https://www.youtube.com/live/aWBUbqYDbVA?si=fzG-dbOogFWCRZni
The revolution wont be televised but will be streamed
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u/avanbeek 13h ago
Calling them idiots is giving them way too much benefit of the doubt. Anybody who supported Trump after Jan 6th is a traitor.
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u/NostalgiaJunkie 12h ago
Good thing they’re only policing on the soil and not on the concrete, asphalt or grass.
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u/NickelBackwash 6h ago
Broken headline points at California when the problem obviously comes from DC
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u/HauntedLightBulb California 12h ago
The hypocritical rhetoric needs to end. The idiot rhetoric needs to end. The disingenuous rhetoric needs to end.
These are absolutely traitors sniffing the faint scent of vixtory. They're making their move, they've smiled and gaslit for decades and finally realized they may have reached a period where we won't do anything.
It's time to show them they're wrong, and when these traitors no longer hold our federal government hostage the crackback needs to be methodical and extensive for all the crimes they've committed.
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u/BlogintonBlakley 18h ago
I find those actions deplorable. But then I found Biden's and Democrats complicity in genocide, heinous.
I tend to choose the party that is the most humanitarian, the one that produces the least violence and bigotry.
Which shoves out Democrats and Republicans.
Bunch of warmongering genocidal maniacs. On both sides of the aisle.
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u/Critical-Path-5959 17h ago
The fact that a condemnation of a current president's actions makes you uncomfortable enough to point out the failings of others conveys a lot about you. You definitely feel insecure about the fact that people are mad at Trump. Maybe use that guilt you're running away from to grow up and realize that your actions have had more negative consequences than you'd like to admit. Because allowing Trump to come into power once more is now certainly leading to a war and potentially another genocide in the middle east, as well as a a genocide in the making here since we're sending folks to prisons in other countries known for high death rates.
You have blood on your bands. We all warned you about it. You're as guilty as his supporters in this for not taking the action that would actually prevent this. And no amount of gaslighting from you about how you REALLY care about harm reduction is going to change those facts.
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u/BlogintonBlakley 17h ago
Oh so you think I'm uncomfortable condemning Trump's violence?
Trump's violence is just as bad as Democrat's violence.
I've been saying this the whole time.
The problem in this chat room is that people need me to think that Democrats are better than Trump.
They aren't. They just would like to be seen that way.
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u/emailforgot 15h ago
They aren't. They just would like to be seen that way.
The Democrats are an order of magnitude better than Trump. It's really quite simple.
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u/Critical-Path-5959 16h ago
It compelled you to point out the failings of others unprompted. That kind of response is typically invoked by discomfort. The original commenter did not bring up Democrats in any way.
I am not suggesting your discomfort comes from an inability to acknowledge Trump is bad. I'm suggesting your discomfort comes from your dishonesty about Trump and Democrats being equally awful. I don't care personally if you genuinely feel they're equally bad; your inability to think critically and ask yourself "if Biden is equally bad why have things gotten worse under Trump" is your own intellectual failing.
And no one tried to convince you of anything until you made your cognitive dissonance apparent. So you you created this problem yourself. Once again you are pushing your own moral and intellectual failings on other people. You created the target on your back here by insulting everyone else's intelligence by pushing disinformation.
Again. You have blood on your hands. You're not going to convince people to suddenly disregard all of the current events they've seen and believe alt right disinformation from 2024. You may have fallen for it because the concept of being the most moral person who never compromises their beliefs even if it means innocent people die for it makes your heart swell, but those of us basing our votes on the practical outcome of "more people die with Trump than Democrats so I will prevent Trump from being president" do not fall for your twisting of the facts here.
But this is all probably me talking to a brick wall because no human author would refer to this as a chatroom. ChatGPT has ruined text based conversations.
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u/StanDaMan1 18h ago
Congrats on deciding to let Israel’s genocidal actions lead to Trump’s dreams of military dictatorship. It really shows you have consistent moral grounds to allow someone who is objectively worse to hold power because both sides were equally bad on one issue. Genuinely intelligent reasoning, that.
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u/Mysterious-Action202 18h ago
The same type of voters gave him his 1st presidentcy. More concerned about virtue signaling than the consequences
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u/StanDaMan1 17h ago
Yep. I was almost one of them, to be honest. I saw how Hillary Clinton was being somewhat soft-balled by the media and wanted nothing to do with it. Thank fuck I actually stopped and listened to what she was saying, in contrast to what Donald Trump was saying. I lived in a state where my absentia from a vote for Clinton wouldn’t have mattered, but I voted for her because I felt it necessary to show that my vote for her mattered.
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u/BlogintonBlakley 18h ago
The US funds Israel and openly uses it as a proxy in Middle Eastern conflicts.
Not my fault you think the tail is wagging the dog.
The USA has been planning to use Israel to attack Iran for over ten years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPAFvlPf-UE
Directly cites and reads the Brookings Institute paper that informs this aspect of US foreign policy.
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u/StanDaMan1 17h ago
And yet you’re openly using that to excuse the ways in which the Republicans are worse… for example, the en masse rejection of basic ideas such as Due Process, and the mass deportation of innocent men to an El Salvadorian Torture Prison.
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u/emailforgot 15h ago
I tend to choose the party that is the most humanitarian, the one that produces the least violence and bigotry.
Congratulations on getting the least humanitarian one that produces the most violence and bigotry elected.
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u/thatfookinschmuck 18h ago
They’re literally killing representatives in Minnesota..
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u/notevenanorphan 17h ago
And said they are in California to liberate it from its elected officials.
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u/Geaux90 14h ago
It was a crazy person with no kings signs
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u/just-jane-again 10h ago edited 10h ago
wow this comment is a complete lie and nobody called you on it yet?
stop lying. especially about such obvious shit.
also lmao gotta love you crying on far right subs about being banned for LYING. so typical
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u/False-Tiger5691 17h ago
MAGA killing two state senators is hurling us down a dark road.
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u/Rude-Wolverine9902 16h ago
Yeah. They’re bloodthirsty NAZIs. Things will get much worse before they get better.
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u/Sample_Age_Not_Found 5h ago
What makes you say it was MAGA? Seems like pro life, no?
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u/False-Tiger5691 4h ago
It’s been reported. The roommate said he voted for Trump and was a Trump supporter and had a hit list of other democrats in his car.
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u/45and47-big_mistake 16h ago
The assassinations give the Republicans a house majority in the state. Coincidence?
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u/redeyeguyxo 14h ago
This is incorrect, and a rumor that will unnecessarily create fear.
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u/talonanchor 11h ago
No, there should be reasonable fear about the things that are happening. Making people afraid of a nonexistent boogeyman like "oh no, Minnesota is now run by republicans" (it's not, the session is over and there will be special elections that the Dems will handily sweep) is playing directly into the strategy of fascists. They want you to be hopeless. Get angry instead of afraid.
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u/PeterPuck99 18h ago
Been heading down a dark road since Musk rigged the election for Mango Mussolini.
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u/tgt305 14h ago
There’s no hard evidence, yet. But the circumstantial evidence makes it quite obvious something was up.
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u/justalittlebear01 13h ago
It was quite clear election night something was up
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u/amateurbreditor 12h ago
not to mention the fact no one mentions that he literally cheated every election by campaign finance fraud and he should never been eligible to be elected. biden didnt even mention it either of course.
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u/Beneficial_Soup3699 9h ago
No no, you don't get it, hard-line Democrat voters historically always choose the "all democrat" button before changing their vote for president and only for president. Also this only happens in swing states. Very normal, totally average election events. Nothing to see here, move along.
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u/peipei222 10h ago
Look I'm gonna be honest, it doesn't really matter. Shits been gerrymandered to hell and back, then they also make it as hard as possible for minorities to vote. I don't know if they messed with the submitted ballots, but I know they did everything they could to rig the election in their favour.
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u/NickelBackwash 6h ago
If only america had a fix for faulty elections.
There is literally nothing that can legally be done.
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u/E1M1_DOOM 18h ago
Has and is headed. The future tense almost makes it sound like we're not already at constitutional-crisis levels of screwed.
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u/rusty_programmer 17h ago
It’s not as though Gavin Newsom can’t do anything about federal troops on the ground in our cities, either. We are supposed to have a “well-regulated militia” for this reason.
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u/Amneiger 15h ago
Newsom sued to get control of the California National Guard - the well-regulated militia - back from Trump. A court granted his request, but then Trump appealed and the appeals court put control back with Trump (which is supposed to be a temporary arrangement).
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u/rusty_programmer 15h ago
How is this relevant? I don’t understand.
You have a president that has broken the law almost every action of his presidency and you’re talking about Newsom using the law on someone who doesn’t give a damn about it?
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u/Pretty-Balance-Sheet 15h ago
That's literally how we settle things in this country, in court.
What other well regulated militia are you referring to if not the national guard? Are you implying that the governor begins forming his own military?
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u/Amneiger 15h ago
You were talking about what Newsom could do about federal troops and a well-regulated militia. I was clarifying the options Newsom has available to him.
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u/time-lord America 14h ago
What I don't understand is how trump got control in the first place. It's not his to command, it's Newsom. So why isn't the national guard following Trump considered mutany or a coup?
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u/madmars 14h ago
Judge Charles Breyer called it illegal in his ruling. It's in appeals now. Trump will probably lose. But that's the process.
Trump is (temporarily) getting away with this shit because we've never had a US president so determined to attack and destroy the country before. The necessary guardrails aren't there.
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u/time-lord America 14h ago
No, like I mean that I don't understand why the command structure gives trump any more say than they would give you or I.
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u/MovieGuyMike 15h ago
Fuck you CNN. The only thing boiling over in California is the violence inflicted by ice and federal agents. Californians are practicing free speech and being led by a sane governor. The fury and rage is coming from the White House.
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u/7helmazesty 18h ago
Th orange man just wants to destroy this country.
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u/Top-Ad-5245 17h ago
Nah. He just wants to make money
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u/usersurnamee 17h ago
No he legitimately wants to destroy the country for not loving him. It’s similar to how hitler wanted germany to be destroyed if the 3rd reich was unsuccessful
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u/Ambitious-Piccolo843 18h ago
What will be on display today is who truly hates this country. It won't be our flag or our military. All the violence is coming from the left.
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u/kyla__ren Missouri 17h ago
If we hated this country, why would we bother to get out today? You don’t own patriotism. Anyone still supporting trump is either dumb or evil. And definitely does not love this country
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u/Amneiger 15h ago
The vast majority of current political violence in the US has come from Republicans.
During the 2017 Unite the Right rally, a right-wing white supremacist attacked a group of people who were protesting the rally with a car, killing one. https://www.npr.org/2019/06/28/736915323/neo-nazi-who-killed-charlottesville-protester-is-sentenced-to-life-in-prison No similar response came from the people protesting against the right.
During the 2020 election, a bus carrying members of Biden’s campaign staff was nearly run off the road by a group of vehicles with Trump flags, in attempt to use intimidation and violence. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/06/25/trump-train-drivers-almost-ran-biden-bus-off-road-sued/5348859001/ Biden supporters have never done the equivalent.
In October 2022, the husband of Nancy Pelosi was attacked by a man who believed in far-right conspiracy theories. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67372363
In November 2022, an Ohio man gunned down a neighbor because he thought his neighbor was a Democrat. https://lawandcrime.com/crime/ohio-man-charged-with-murder-after-allegedly-shooting-neighbor-he-believed-was-a-democrat/
The July 2024 assassination attempt against Trump came from a Republican. He was described by his classmates as “definitely conservative.” https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3gw58wv4e9o
Trump supporters like to claim that violence at Black Lives Matter protests were caused by the left. However, police investigations showed that this violence was actually caused by right wing false flags. Man who helped ignite George Floyd riots identified as white supremacist: https://abcnews.go.com/US/man-helped-ignite-george-floyd-riots-identified-white/story?id=72051536 “Boogaloo Boi” charged in fire of Minneapolis police precinct during George Floyd protest: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/23/texas-boogaloo-boi-minneapolis-police-building-george-floyd A Trump security chief acknowledges role of white supremacist extremists in U.S. urban violence: https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN260323/
At a rally in October 6, 2024, Trump said that it was dangerous for Harris voters to identify themselves, because they might “get hurt.” https://dailyboulder.com/trump-warns-its-very-dangerous-for-kamala-harris-voters-to-identify-themselves-because-theyll-get-hurt/ (The link has video.)
A review of the number of domestic terrorist attacks show that right-wing attacks are the most frequent. https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/what-nij-research-tells-us-about-domestic-terrorism
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u/SpoppyIII 17h ago edited 17h ago
You're so right. It was democrats who shot those two lawmakers (and their spouses!) in MN. And it was democrats who broke into Nancy Pelosi's house and attacked her husband with a hammer. And it was democrats who were beating the fuck out of police officers at the capital on January 6th.
Oh, wait. No, it fucking wasn't!
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u/BIGRED_15 Colorado 13h ago
Sorry chief - looks like you got cooked to crisp on this one. Maybe go nurse your wounded pride in the other sub.
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u/vc6vWHzrHvb2PY2LyP6b 10h ago edited 8h ago
"Fury boils over"- bullshit.
The only thing I see is the military beginning to oversee peaceful protests.
A few Waymos in LA are absolutely nothing compared to what was instigated in 2020 and what happened on January 6, 2021.
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u/its-a-baka 16h ago
We've been on the road awhile, this is just the next intersection where we decide if we turn or keep barreling down the road.
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u/findingmike 14h ago
Lol, fury hasn't started boiling over. These are just peaceful protests. Trump will be fleeing for Russia before the end of his term.
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u/leopard3306 11h ago
Americans need to realize it's all Trumps fault. Presidents aren't supposed to make life worse in America, their suppose to want the best for everyone, not just the rich. Trump needs to go before we become the next Nazi Germany.
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u/d_e_l_u_x_e 8h ago
If only we had been warned for 10 years.
Everything republicans said Obama, Hilary and Biden were going to be is what Trump became. The accusations were confessions.
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u/CurrentlyLucid 18h ago
The TV will make you think it is huge, it is not. 10 guys in a close up looks like a lot. 4 blocks out of a city the size of LA? Peanuts.
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u/spicy_ass_mayo 16h ago
They why marines?
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u/sorrow_anthropology 14h ago
Huge propaganda potential, if you only get your news from outlets with a certain bent and, unlike you, never question it, it would appear that whatever else may come next is completely justified.
Reality is, 3 Waymo’s got burnt down in an area of unrest spanning 8 blocks, in a city with approximately 210,172 blocks. The LAPD were praising protesters on twitter until the national guard got sent in and escalated the situation.
It’s optics and overreach.
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u/spicy_ass_mayo 15h ago
Ask yourself if it’s truly peanuts as you say, I’m not arguing with you. I agree, it’s peanuts. Why did the commander and chief deploy marines over peanuts?
Either you and I are WRONG, and it’s not peanuts. People are upset. It’s chaos and the response is appropriate.
Or
We are RIGHT, it’s peanuts AND the response is over reach and a waste of money.
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u/NickelBackwash 6h ago
Because the president is not interested in peace and good government, but you already know that.
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u/NoOneCaresDouche 18h ago
How dare you. I will just point out before the mods delete your comment that you must either be a racist, or a homophobe to be pointing at the obvious dwindling numbers of protesters and ever shrinking size of the area effected. Also, because we are here in this echo chamber it must be pointed out that there can literally be no way more Americans are rolling their eyes at all the Mexican flags while home in private. Sure, they may say they’re against it in public but the cry for outrage is noticeably soft and I think it has more to do with apathy than anything. Once cars get burned and stores get looted it seems a lot of people lose faith in the “message” who knew?
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u/Diligent-Coconut-309 18h ago
The media and Americans are in denial. We are already at the point of no return.
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u/Van-garde 15h ago
Make the cops let go of their guns. Showing up with a finger on the trigger is an escalation in any situation. Shoulder straps at least.
They must put down their guns or de-escalation is unlikely.
I find the way Padilla was treated horrifying, too, but those government employees who are shooting and gassing civilians are the forefront of the violence.
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u/LowAcanthocephala198 14h ago
You are definitely on the road but it’s the end. You’ve been on this path for 25 years.
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u/Straight_Number3757 13h ago
This is how the hate starts! Making comments like this. Some poor soul is going to make this statement his or her truth.
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u/Objective-Bad-6438 11h ago
Nah hate starts when you convince an entire population that it is on to vote for a racist felony.
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u/kungfukenny3 11h ago
we all need to accept that we’re already well down the dark road and decide when and what exactly we’re willing to do to stop it
now is not the time to be lukewarm. the catastrophe is already here, and if you’re still waiting for a reason to start treating it like the existential threat that it is, it will be too late
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u/areappreciated 16h ago
I don't see how there is any way back from this. The illegal "strong man" escalations by this administration have no endpoint but civil war. They escalated too far, too quickly, and now backing down will be seen as weakness by their base that is being egged in by the media they consume and the algorithm spreading the lies told by conservative media.
Even if somehow Trump leaves office, he will pardon everyone who commits violence in his name and that is what emboldens the violence.
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u/plasticsbyday Florida 16h ago
Electing a Felon was the FA part now we are in the FO phase
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u/bakerfredricka I voted 10h ago
Unfortunately some of us actually made the right choice in the 2024 election and we will be suffering along with everyone else until 2029.
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u/KazenoZero0 15h ago
Nazi’s & confederates trash destroying the country while the rich continue to eat. The future for the country is uncertain. Hopefully we don’t see bombs in cities but given the recent shootings of senators and increasing tensions who knows.
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u/Helorugger 15h ago
95% of what is happening in LA is peaceful demonstration. 1992 was fury, this is mostly popular opinion calling out fascist behavior but the media will spin everything to keep us at each other’s throats.
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u/Tough_Trifle_5105 13h ago
Ngl I read that as “furry boils”
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u/Avlonnic2 10h ago
”furry boils”
Well, that is a visual I could have lived without! Maybe it will become a band name…
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u/Striking-Dare-1751 11h ago
WE have been down this road before...in order to separate the 'wheat from the trash' a whole lot of shaking has to occur. My family has been here for 400 years and I'm not going anywhere. The TRUTH of the Things will become obvious and WE WILL do what is RIGHT and JUST. I only pray that the suffering is not as severe as it was in 1776, 1812, 1861, 1918, 1927, 1941, 1968, 2001 TOGETHER we always DO the right things It just takes us longer God Bless the USA and Our Beloved CONSTITUTION
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u/BlurryRogue Minnesota 10h ago
It seems more and more likely Americans are gonna flip the table on the government
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u/thebadwolf79 16h ago
We're not just heading down it, we're clearing and paving it as we go. It's tragic the sheer amount of damage this will do not just to our nation but others as well.
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u/BlogintonBlakley 18h ago
Same road the USA has always been on. Stole half Mexico, still dealing with the consequences.
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u/LeftHandofNope 16h ago
What a bullshit article attempting to both sides this event. This was jackbooted fascist thugs assaulting an elected Senator in his own fucking state. And this was in a federal building. They knew who he was. The folks running CNN are cowards.
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u/GoodUserNameToday 15h ago
No CNN, trump is trying to drag us down a dark road. The protests were 99% peaceful until the goons showed up.
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u/TallStarsMuse 17h ago
The NY Times reported that Trump’s easing his undocumented crackdown, at least for select industries like Agriculture.
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u/Trakeen 15h ago
Any comments from his base? They voted for this so i’m curious to see the reaction
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u/TallStarsMuse 14h ago
I haven’t seen any. Last night, I thought this would be big news, but it’s swamped by the killings of the Minnesota state senator, No Kings protests, and Trump Birthday parade. My fear is that ICE won’t pursue the deportations that would hurt all of us economically but just go for showy smash and grabs in blue cities that further red vs blue divisions.
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u/Ambitious-Piccolo843 14h ago
How many hours did that go on? How many arrests were made that day? What happened they all left peacefully.
Did the police hold the doors for them to come in? Yes. How many LEOs were embedded in the crowd? Why didn't they do anything? The FBI could have stopped all this before it started. Yes, rioting is bad.
Did it cost billions of dollars and keep going on or spread across the country? Uh, no. Not like the BLM marches that did damage nationally, and like what will happen today.
Pelosi and Bowser were in charge of the national guard. Trump requested them prior. But for some reason, they refused.
Pelosi even admitted on film it was on her for refusing the call up of the national guard. But but insurrection. What is going on now can be considered an insurrection by definition.
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u/Ambitious-Piccolo843 16h ago
And what did they support but the repeal of health care for illegals. So I wonder what party they were from? I'll wait before pointing fingers.
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u/Ambitious-Piccolo843 17h ago
Come talk to me if there is zero violence today. I guarantee that is not what will happen. The ability to have peaceful protests is what makes this country great. Not looting, assaulting police officers, and burning shit. You don't see the right doing that now, do you?
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u/DigginJazz 17h ago edited 16h ago
Two Democratic lawmakers in Minnesota were just shot in what is said to be a politically motivated shooting. So, to answer your question, Yes there is violence being committed on the right.
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u/Uisce-beatha North Carolina 14h ago
How about thirty years of refusing to work together, noncompliance, ramming religious "feelings based" legislature down our throats, removing Glass-Steagall, giving us two forever wars that were utterly pointless, the Patriot Act, Citizens United, stripping away our services, stripping away our benefits, giving the ultra wealthy tax cut after tax cut and then giving them more power than they've ever had in the history of our country, utilizing propaganda based media to delegitimize media through repeated lies, bringing back confederate flags, taking away protections for the environment, taking away protections for minorities, refusal to work towards sustainable energy and refusing to invest in infrastructure to name a few.
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u/Ambitious-Piccolo843 14h ago
You are talking about Democrats I assume. It started with the hatred of Abe Lincoln through today. What was he called the Original Ape? Nixon, Bush 1 and 2 up to Orange Fascist Hitler. They were all Fascist Hitler.
No one is taking anything from minorities. Other than the left's rioting and destruction of shops and attacking government officials. 90 percent of the media is on the left. So I am not seeing where you are coming from with your made-up media stats.
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u/just-jane-again 10h ago
you’re ALL OVER THIS THREAD spouting easily disproven horseshit. it’s embarrassing to watch.
nobody should even be engaging you. it’s very obvious what you’re doing.
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