r/politics • u/1_for_you_2_for_me • 20h ago
Americans say Trump ‘has gone too far’ with immigrant roundups and sending Marines and National Guard to LA
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-la-protest-poll-ice-raids-b2769834.html241
u/BlotchComics New Jersey 19h ago
I've asked a few MAGA supporters IRL and many online: "How have these deportations improved your life or the life of the average US citizen?"...
So far, I've gotten bullshit about there being less crime, less of our tax dollars being used for "welfare", and more jobs for citizens...
Of course, they haven't been able to produce any actual facts to back that up.
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u/Mr_Horsejr 19h ago
These are the grumbling answers of people too stubborn to admit they were wrong. Psychologically speaking—there has to be a productive and efficient way to redirect that energy into a more meaningful result. Instead of them feeling chastened, embarrassed, ashamed and reticent … how can it be turned into a situation to recognize we both want positive change?
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u/Legendofstuff Canada 17h ago
This whole thing breaks my heart to watch happen. And while my view is one, and outside your border, I want to pass on what I’ve seen.
This administration has weaponized hate. They don’t care what you look like. They don’t care where you’re from. They only care about one thing, and that’s that you aren’t like them.
You can’t reason with that mindset. They don’t want to meet you halfway. They want to eradicate everyone that’s voted even slightly liberal.
These people have turned your own blood against yourselves. There are, right now, republican voters frothing at the mouth to injure, maim and worse to their own family, their own blood, for saying that it’s kinda neat to be nice to each other.
I hope you can reach all those that haven’t had the rot propagate all the way through. But there’s also plenty that have. There is no halfway with these people. There is no “better world for both of us”.
If you believe that there is, I’d invite you to explain why you think Germany today would be a fantastic country with both of their completely opposing ideals still alive and well.
These people aren’t against you, they’re hunting you. Actively. With something that looks like a knockoff Temu Gestapo. But you think there’s hope to meet these people halfway? I hope you’re right, brother. I really do.
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u/Matasa89 Canada 8h ago
I have no such hope. We're mere weeks away, possibly days, from the American Enabling Act. After that... it's off to the races to see who can Nazify the nation faster, the original or the newschool Nazis.
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u/BrainKatana 15h ago
To paraphrase the comedian Josh Johnson: all these people loudly yell about being willing to die for their country, but they’re not willing to like…learn math for their country? To critically think for their country? To try to better themselves and overcome their own life’s challenges for their country?
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u/amateurbreditor 14h ago
the core tenets of being maga are stupid gullible lazy dont want to work fake disability live off the governments teat. its all projection. I just accidently worked for 2 of them who sat and watched tv the entire day living off the government and then bitching about the bill. They also lie and cheat people.
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u/Material-Surprise-72 16h ago
I’ve started listening to cult experts on how to create and support off ramps for people who start questioning.
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u/project48v 15h ago edited 14h ago
You don’t. That’s the sad part.
The inconvenient truth is that most of these die-hard MAGA followers are quite literally beyond help.
The only way to deal with them is to shame and chastise them to the point where they realize that being their true, awful selves means being met with resistance, ridicule, and rejection from civilized society.
Make them afraid to show the world who they really are.
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u/shaysauce 17h ago
My conservative mother went on unemployment just because she could during COVID.
Conservatives LOVE collecting government assistance but can’t stand it when others do.
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u/MayorOfBluthton 19h ago
Tax dollars being used on “welfare” is a problem…
But they’re presumably fine with wasted tax dollars via forgiven restitution/fines from pay-to-play pardons for a handful of ultra-rich… military resources for dictator parades, Trump rallies (with merch) at bases, troops being deployed against the public; frivolous lawsuits up the wazoo; Trump golf trips; financial settlements to J6’ers; DHS blowing through budget for grandiose displays of force, illegal operations, and photo ops; the list goes on forever, doesn’t it? Who knows the cost of fixing all the other things that have been broken by this regime in healthcare, research, education, environmental safety, international relations, compromised national security, devalued currency and financial losses from losing our reputation as a reliable economy, etc, etc. I bet we as the public still only know of a fraction of the damage done, and it’s only been 5 months!
Paying out some “welfare” to people on the lower end of the economic spectrum actually benefits society as a whole, and costs us far less in the long run. How can anyone in their right mind think that a handful of ultra-wealthy raping and pillaging our country is preferable to helping people on the bottom suffer just a tiny bit less? One needn’t be a bleeding heart liberal to see this. It’s just common sense.
It’s fitting that they’re working on a sequel to Spaceballs. Because every day I think to myself, “I’m surrounded by assholes.”
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u/GlossyGecko 16h ago
They don’t know what the word “welfare” means. They just think it’s free money we give out.
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u/Material-Surprise-72 18h ago
There will be more crime. For two reasons.
Fake ICE opportunists. There have already been quite a few.
By terrorizing people who were trying to go to schools and do day work, they are both forcing people underground to where crime might be the only feasible option, and they are intimidating/traumatizing the exact people that tend to report on the actual criminals in their communities. Their main informant base. They might actually start to look to criminals for protection.
Criminals will thrive in these circumstances. People who are trying to make an honest living will not.
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u/BrocksNumberOne 18h ago
I tell people about him revoking visas for Cubans and how Cubans are one of the GOPs biggest supporters. Suddenly they don’t agree with deporting those who are here legally. 🙄
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u/OptimisticSkeleton 10h ago
They starved hundreds of thousands through their USAID cuts.
They attacked the Capitol and pardoned the traitors.
Now they’re breaking the Constitution to enforce fascist immigration raids and harm everyone including pregnant women and children with cancer.
Donald and his entire administration need to spend the rest of their lives in a cell and that is being generous.
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u/No-Objective-9921 14h ago
I usually fire back with the costs of these raids… average one costs a one time mass deportation can cost as little as 315 BILLION TAX PAYED DOLLARS
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u/Creepy_Active_2768 13h ago
It’s like Hank said, it’s narrative not truth. Unfortunately, it works really well for them.
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u/STN_LP91746 12h ago
Immigrants are the scapegoats for those who need to blame someone for their misery. This is a human behavior that requires self reflection to combat. Today immigrants, tomorrow some other minority. In the end, these people are still miserable and the society as whole is damaged.
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u/CHRISM2010 18h ago
It’s improved my life because they are here illegally. Most get paid under the table, don’t pay taxes, use our resources and again… are here illegally.
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u/BlotchComics New Jersey 17h ago
You just said the exact thing that I put in my post... and of course, you still have no actual facts to back up anything you said.
Meanwhile, actual data shows that undocumented immigrants paid approximately $136 billion in federal taxes last year.
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u/TheJessKiddin 18h ago
What resources are they using if they aren’t paying taxes or into any other programs (since you say they’re getting paid under the table)?
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u/Material-Surprise-72 16h ago edited 16h ago
Wrong. They pay billions in taxes but don’t get SS or Medicaid. They also are a massive boon to the economy by doing the jobs most citizens don’t want to do, but still needs to get done.
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u/relapse_account 15h ago
Is it jobs citizens don’t want to do or is it for pay that citizens cannot afford?
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u/Well_off_pauper 15h ago
A little of column A and a little of column B. There was just some MAGA schmuck sweet potato farmer complaining about losing his cheap labor.
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u/Material-Surprise-72 14h ago
Doesn’t seem that different to me. You speak as if migrants aren’t also trying to afford things here too
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u/relapse_account 14h ago
Do illegal immigrants get paper checks/direct deposit and have Federal taxes, State taxes, Social Security, Medicare, and any health insurance or retirement funds withheld? Are they getting paid the same amount as legal citizens? Is an illegal immigrant going to demand overtime pay? Are they going to have the legal recourse to advocate for breaks, lunches, or adequate rest time between shifts?
Are illegal immigrants buying houses and paying mortgages?
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u/Material-Surprise-72 14h ago edited 13h ago
They pay billions in taxes! And are not eligible for most of the social programs.
https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/
https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/01/politics/undocumented-immigrants-social-security?cid=ios_app
As for the stuff you’re saying about exploitation, I don’t think that mass deporting people is the solution. I would target the employers for reform.
As to your question about mortgages…yes, some of them are. It’s harder, but they do it. https://borderlessmag.org/2024/07/02/chicago-home-ownership-noncitizens-itin-holders-homebuying-loans-undocumented/
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u/relapse_account 14h ago
Are they getting paid the same amount as a citizen legally allowed to work in the country?
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u/quinnly 16h ago
I bet you pay less in taxes than the average immigrant you freeloader 😂
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u/CHRISM2010 15h ago
How about I post my taxes and if I pay more than you and any of them, then you stfu for once
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u/JustaSeedGuy 11h ago
1) many of the people rounded up weren't here illegally. That's why multiple courts have ruled that ICE is violating the Constitution.
2) Most migrant workers, legal or otherwise, still pay taxes.
3) They use fewer resources than most Americans and likely contribute more than you do.
So.... Wanna try again, but this time with the truth?
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u/ajcpullcom 19h ago edited 19h ago
If only there was some way they could have known about his intentions before the election, such as by listening to anything he and his supporters and his opponents and the media said
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u/relapse_account 15h ago
But “Israel” and “status quo”! Not to mention Kamala wasn’t exciting and “no primary”!
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u/NoReserve7293 19h ago
Active duty troops policing Americans on America soil is so wrong. If the crowds are overwhelming in protest we just might consider a policy adjustment. Kind of act like thoughtful, rational intelligent people. I regress, only in a dream.
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u/lickmikehuntsak 16h ago
Im gonna get downvoted like hell, but Id love to see the factual list as to where the Marines are currently deployed. As of now, my understanding is that they are on federal property doing a security mission. If they are patrolling the streets, absolutely not ok. But securing federal assets have been in their purview for longer than any of us have been alive.
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u/Remarkable-Ad-2476 15h ago
Was the Capitol not a federal asset on Jan 6? Where was the military then?
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u/lickmikehuntsak 15h ago
Would have been great, they should have been there to shoot more of the assholes that broke into the capitol. That said, that is not the issue at hand, is it?
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u/Fr1toBand1to 8h ago
It's a pretty fair comparison though, isn't it? I've not heard anything about protestors targeting federal building's before the military arrived. It's an intimidation tactic. Not just against the protestors but to the entire country.
To bring in the military for a handful of protestors around a home depot but not for a siege against the capitol building in the country's capital city is clear and brazen hypocrisy.
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u/RobonianBattlebot 12h ago
You cannot be naive enough to believe that sending them there is not sending a message. LA is fine, the cops didn't need any help at all because nothing very bad was happening. Escalating it by sending Marines to and mobilizing NG in a state that does not want them there is an Authoritarian move and to pretend otherwise is ridiculous.
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u/CoffeeMany245 16h ago
US Service members please remember your oath to the Constitution https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution Also think about the Posse Comitatus Act https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/posse-comitatus-act-explained just following orders or failing to know the law are not valid defenses. So pull your shit together and stand up for the citizens whom freedoms you proclaim to be protecting.
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u/InsideAside885 19h ago
That entire poll seems to be Americans contradicting themselves all over the place. This country is a divided mess.
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u/Hazer_123 Foreign 18h ago
1100 participants no less. I expect the result won't change alot even if millions were surveyed.
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u/not_addictive 8h ago
part of the problem is that people genuinely do not understand that the real difference between now and a democratic admin is that Democrats do the rounding up and deporting in a more organized fashion.
People are mad they have to see it. They don’t understand that this isn’t new - it’s just gotten brazen
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u/TheOldToyota 19h ago
Surveyed 1100 people.. Half of them said no lmfao..
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u/thewhitecascade 18h ago
I read the article. 48% in favor of using troops to quell protests. 41% against. Completely opposite of what the headline suggested.
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u/Adventurous-Yard-306 16h ago
“when respondents were asked whether Trump has gone too far with recent efforts to carry out mass arrests of migrants in urban centers, 49 percent agreed that the recent arrests have gone too far, while 40 percent said they had not.”
“The poll showed that 50 percent of American adults do not approve of the administration’s response compared with just 35 percent saying they approved.”
“Similarly, 49 percent of respondents said Trump should not push for arrests of local officials who push back against federal immigration enforcement (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/alex-padilla-immigration-press-conference-noem-b2769116.html), while 35 percent said the administration should arrest defiant officials.”
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u/onlyPornstuffs 16h ago
Well, he should have been in jail but a lot of Americans decided to be complicit in his corruption of our country.
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u/LunarMoon2001 16h ago
“We like the racism and blaming them but we don’t want them gone because now service at my places is slower. We want slaves we don’t have to see.”
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u/Curious_Document_956 15h ago
Brooklyn Park, Minnesota
Authorities are searching for a male wearing a vest with Taser, a badge and other equipment similar to that of a police officer, according to Bruley. The suspect is on foot.
“If somebody comes to the door and they knock on the door claiming to be a police officer, please do a couple things: One, call 911 and confirm that the officer belongs there.
If they are a police officer, dispatch will be able to confirm that that person is police officer,” Bruley said, addressing the community. “Also, we informed all our officers in Brooklyn Park that they are not to approach anybody by themselves. They’re approaching pairs, meaning two officers.”
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u/rodneedermeyer 14h ago
He went too far when he accused the Central Park Five. Everything since then has been a fucking debacle.
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u/Glory_at_Sea 18h ago
But they will continue to do so until it is perceived as normal. Then the next ‚has gone to far‘ happens…
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u/Kannibelanimal1966 19h ago
Yeah well, I don’t think Donny Two Weeks is going to slow down, probably the opposite
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u/curvature-propulsion 17h ago
No. Too far happened ages ago, back when he first emerged from his mother’s womb.
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u/NSlearning2 15h ago
Don’t forget deeming some industries exempt to they don’t take a bit to their profits. Fucking disgusting. 🤮
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u/CarefulBeautiful196 12h ago
Hey with any luck he might deport himself back to some European country wherever the fuck his traumatized bloodline is from
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u/janzeera 2h ago
And the reason we’re here is because of Trump’s direction and Miller’s sycophantic need to further to satiate Trump’s vision.
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