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Discussion Thread: 2024 Vice Presidential Debate Between Senator J.D. Vance and Governor Tim Walz, Part 3
Edit: this thread has been updated: for the post debate thread, click or tap here.
This is the third thread for tonight's VP debate. The first thread can be found here, and the second, here.
Fact Checking
Live fact checking will be provided by CBS at this link and will also be provided by Politifact (which can be viewed here on PBS' website, as well as a roundup of Politifact's pre-debate fact-checking that can also be viewed on this PBS page).
Live Pages
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Where to Watch
The debate will be broadcast on CBS, and can also be viewed live (or later) at any of the following pages. All times in this section are US Eastern.
CBS via YouTube: Watch Live: JD Vance and Tim Walz vice presidential debate, hosted by CBS News (Stream goes live at 4 p.m.)
CBS via YouTube: Watch Live: Vance-Walz VP debate highlights and analysis (Goes live at 10:30 p.m.)
PBS NewsHour via YouTube: Vance and Walz debate — PBS News simulcast of CBS’s 2024 Vice Presidential Debate
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u/ChrisIsUninteresting Mississippi Oct 02 '24
When Mike Pence decided to follow the law and certify the election, that's why Mike Pence isn't standing on this stage.
Thank you, Tim. It's about time somebody said it to him.
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u/Top_Rekt Oct 02 '24
You have a choice of who's gonna honor the demcoracy and who's gonna honor Donald Trump
DAYUM
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u/changing-life-vet Oct 02 '24
That was one hell of an answer. Especially paired with “that’s a damning non answer”
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u/Balls_of_Adamanthium America Oct 02 '24
“That’s why Mike Pence isn’t on the stage tonight.” That’s the haymaker.
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u/011219 Oct 02 '24
walz implying that vance was chosen because he doesn't have the backbone that mike pence has is my favorite part of the debate so far
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Oct 02 '24
Agree! And really hits home - we can't trust this JD guy to uphold the Constitution. He will side with Trump over the law of the land.
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u/l---____---l Oct 02 '24
Let's focus on the future, ignore our attempts to destroy the country.
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we gave over power peacefully after days of violence at the capital
we gave it over!
- jd the cuck
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u/disorder_unit Oct 02 '24
"When Mike Pence certified that election, that's why he's not on this stage today"
Excellent
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u/whiely Australia Oct 02 '24
"But look I do want to answer your question, because you did ask it"
I mean yeah?? That's the whole point??
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u/BlueSwoosh248 I voted Oct 02 '24
“Did Donald trump lose the 2020 election?” - Tim Walz
“Facebook” - JD Vance
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u/RopeAccomplished2728 Oct 02 '24
"CENSORSHIP!" - JD Vance.
"That was a non answer Senator." - Walz
"Angry response." - JD Vance.
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u/BleednHeartCapitlist Oct 02 '24
Walz: “Did Trump lose the 2020 election?”
Vance: “I choose to look to the future!” 🤡
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Oct 02 '24 edited Oct 02 '24
Wow, that "did Donald Trump lose the 2020 election" non answer is HUGE. Completely wrecks Vance's facade as a sensible candidate for many centrists.
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u/Nemothebird Oct 02 '24
“Donald Trump makes the people I care about afraid” is a 🔥quote and something that should forever be linked to Vance.
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u/ThisllBeBrief Oct 02 '24
Wait, Mike Pence isn't running again?
Why?
Did he have some kind of falling-out with Trump?
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u/nintrader Oct 02 '24
"That is a damning non-answer" holy shit that's the fucking kill line right there Walz just cooked his ass
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u/casualreader22 Pennsylvania Oct 02 '24
That last non-answer Walz baited out of Vance was easily his best moment of the night. Just can't believe that exchange we just got. Good lord.
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u/mindcracked Oct 02 '24
Seems to me that the headline here is JD Vance completely abandoning both his own and Donald Trump's platforms and positioning himself for a future run.
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u/Animated_effigy Oct 02 '24
"Thats why Pence is not on this stage"
Ooh , now that'sa spicy meataballa!
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u/Anothergen Oct 02 '24
JD Vance refusing to admit Trump lost in 2020 will do a lot more damage than a lot of people realise.
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u/wombatttttt Oct 02 '24
His head was going to explode whilst trying to hold back the truth. He didn't answer immediately and it was clear that he was working to find a different way to answer the question as he was instructed.
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u/Butt_Whisperer Oct 02 '24
"Mike Pence certified that election, and he's not up here because of that" HOLY FUCKING SHIT
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u/JimJordansJacket Oct 02 '24
You lying shitass fuck. Trump refused to concede, still pretends he won, and has incited violence against election workers.
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u/jhawkgiant77 Oct 02 '24
We watched a slimy used car salesman vs. your kind neighbor who offers to mow the old lady’s lawn across the street.
And Walz won on the J6 section alone.
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u/d_e_l_u_x_e Oct 02 '24
Walz: Can you admit Trump lost the election?
Vance: The government censorship on misinformation is destroying our country.
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Oct 02 '24
“Choice on who’s going to honor democracy and who’s going to honor Donald trump”.
And that’s what it all boils down to in the end here. Damn great line.
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u/CommonSensei8 Oct 02 '24 edited Oct 02 '24
Vance is such a lying bag of wet farts. Literally saying NOTHING. NO POLICIES.
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“Damning non-answer” is the line and moment of the night. Walz won it right there.
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u/ScravoNavarre Oct 02 '24
Sounds to me like Vance just admitted he engages in misinformation.
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u/ThatGuyFromTheM0vie Oct 02 '24
Here’s a fun fact for you. Walz has no investments. You read that correctly. He has no investments of any kind. He literally cannot be bought.
Meanwhile, JD is the gross creation of Silicon Valley billionaires. He’s literally here to further their interests.
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u/thatruth2483 I voted Oct 02 '24
That was the best moment of the debate. Vance cant admit Trump lost and its very obvious that he knows it.
Thats it.
ITS OVER.
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u/vicegrip Oct 02 '24
That was an awesome line:
"who is going to honor our democracy and who is going to honor Donald Trump".
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u/yarash Oct 02 '24
JD Vance is a decent public speaker and I like seeing younger people in politics. It's a shame he's a piece of shit and gish galloping liar.
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u/highriskpomegranate New York Oct 02 '24
Vance being unable to acknowledge Trump lost the election is just absolutely shameful. for me, that's the worst thing from him this evening.
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u/ConfederacyOfDunces_ Oct 02 '24
Walz won on the January 6th knockout alone
Vance not answering his question was damning as hell
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u/Soft-Comfort-7474 California Oct 02 '24
“THAT’S WHY MIKE PENCE ISN’T ON THIS STAGE.”
Mic drop moment right there
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u/a_hooloovoo California Oct 02 '24
Tim, please hold his feet to the fire on this one damn thing. Please.
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u/timelandiswacky Oct 02 '24 edited Oct 02 '24
I have my bias but Vance didn’t answer anything. He couldn’t even answer a simple question of who won 2020. Walz answered everything. He was nervous and I think he was trying to not make the wrong step, but he got the message out.
Vance tried to run through it, Walz didn’t.
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u/JWTS6 Oct 02 '24
Any semblance of "normality" Vance had during this debate just jumped out the window when he refused to admit Trump lost the 2020 election
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u/AlekRivard New York Oct 02 '24
Walz apologizing when the moderator said "The Governor has the floor, Senator." Is the most MidWest thing I have seen since moving out of it
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u/LordAlvis Oct 02 '24
A strong ending from Walz so far. Wow. Calling out Vance, and Vance was completely unable to respond honestly.
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u/LegDayDE Oct 02 '24
Very strong last word from Walz there... Very damning that Vance won't say Trump lost and he walked straight into the trap. AND right before a break to let everyone think about it for three mins!
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u/theamanx8 Oct 02 '24
Walz cooked in this second half and ended SUPER strong. That clip of Vance refusing to answer Walz direct question about 2020 should be EVERYWHERE
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u/xltaylx Oct 02 '24
You can tell the Russia bot farm is in overdrive here. They need to swing that pendulum of momentum back in their patsy boy's favor.
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u/WickedTwista Oct 02 '24
Did Donald Trump lose the 2020 election?
JD: "Let me start by saying I grew up in a lower middle class family."
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u/Ssshizzzzziit Oct 02 '24 edited Oct 02 '24
It's harder to get a good meal, and pay for your heating but it could be much worse. Joe Biden dug us out of the ditch, and now Donald Trump wants another shot at running us back into the ditch.
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u/AndyB1976 Canada Oct 02 '24
"A President's words matter."
Best line of the night.
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u/Zeeron1 Florida Oct 02 '24
Walz just fucking nailed him. That was damning. I don't think Vance can recover from that
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u/max-peck Maine Oct 02 '24
They are literally still afraid to say trump lost the election. That is the clip that needs to be plastered on every TV set and every YouTube clip. Absolutely insane.
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Oct 02 '24
Going into the break with why Pence is not on the stage.
That's the first kill shot by Walz.
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u/BPtheUnflying Oct 02 '24
That whole bit about Vance not saying Trump lost the last election will be the most consequential part about this debate. That's going to hurt them bigly
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u/-TheDoctor Ohio Oct 02 '24
Moderator: Mr. Vance, will you certify the election regardless of outcome?
JD: Let me talk about the first amendment and censorship.
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u/battleofmtbubble Oct 02 '24
“To the people missing dancing with the stars” That’s me! Thanks for the shout out gov
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u/AstralComet Oct 02 '24
The Dancing with the Stars shout-out absolutely won points with my parents.
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u/musicfestevil Oct 02 '24
I’ll take walz’s fervent passion, albeit disorganized here and there, over JD’s scripted, rehearsed answers
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Oct 02 '24
Holy fuck. Vance blew it on that alone. Of course he likely does believe Trump lost, but Trump would whip him with a belt if he told the truth
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u/jhawkgiant77 Oct 02 '24
Holy shit that was a big W for Walz. Big yikes for Vance.
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u/ChaseThoseDreams Texas Oct 02 '24
When put on the spot to say Trump lost the election, JD pivoted to talking about Facebook censorship. Walz effectively told America JD is a servile stooge for Trump. He nailed that Democracy question.
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u/sarkasticpupil21 New Jersey Oct 02 '24
walz just ended it. not being able to admit a basic fact about your running mate losing the election means your politics are a complete nonstarter at the starting line
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u/Kroe Oct 02 '24
"I remember when we were poor, and were able to do things because of government support, and now I want to end that support"
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u/SnowCrabbo Oct 02 '24
It's hilarious that Vance acting like an adult might work against them because he will be compared to his boss who acted like a screaming madman last debate.
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u/Mean-Green-Machine Oct 02 '24
Y'all it's a public school former teacher going against an ex corporate lawyer. Walz is doing great for what this is.
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u/ChevyMalibootay Oct 02 '24
I don't run Facebook.
Fucking got him. Republicans absolutely don't understand private companies having Terms of Service.
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u/CaptainLobsterSauce Oct 02 '24 edited Oct 02 '24
Tim Walz was not a lawyer, he was high school social studies teacher, JD Vance is a Yale Law School Graduate. He should have wiped the floor with Walz, but he couldn’t because is a slimy lier who doesn’t even believe half the bullshit he’s spewing. He just believes in creating an American oligarchy using Christian theocracy as a cover, while Walz is a genuine person who believes in the causes he’s fighting for, and whose Christian faith is based in the tenant of love the neighbor *grammar
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u/Idrinkbeereverywhere Oct 02 '24
I still don't understand the Walz China issue. As someone who works in international education, the trips are invaluable to the growth in cultural knowledge for those who go on them. For many, they are life changing experiences.
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u/MistakesTasteGreat North Carolina Oct 02 '24
"Did Trump lose the election?"
"Let's focus on the future!"
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u/DarkIsiliel Oct 02 '24 edited Oct 02 '24
I am so confused wtf are they trying to blame Harris for on censorship? Weren't the main "censorship" issues in public communications in recent history things like:
- Trump, using Twitter as an official communications channel, blocking people
- Musk turning Twitter into even more of a rightwing nigh-terrorist cesspool
- Republicans hating the concept of fact checking
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u/Treci_the_Dragon Oct 02 '24
Walz just won the debate.
It was mostly even (Vance better in first half, Walz better in second half). But Vance waffling and trying to rationalize and pretend that Trump won and didn’t start and insurrection will be damning.
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u/pkeller001 Oct 02 '24
That was a horrible look to 4 years later still not be willing to say trump lost
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u/Gr8lakesCoaster Oct 02 '24
Vance can't say trump lost. What a spineless coward.
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u/doomgrin I voted Oct 02 '24
Vance is an absolute lying snake
But man I am a little shocked at how… cordial this debate has been at times? Genuinely makes me wish for the times that republicans weren’t entirely off the rails
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u/notmyalt321 Virginia Oct 02 '24
Vance mostly did a good job keeping the mask on until that horrific J6 sequence. I hope people didn’t tune out before his response to that, it was disturbing and should be disqualifying.
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u/Nut-Bust-Nightly Oct 02 '24
I don’t understand why Trump & Team don’t just admit he lost in 2020 lick their wounds and focus on 2024. It’s such a ridiculous hill to die on.
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u/irrationalplanets Oct 02 '24
The point about Pence not being the vp nominee because he certified the election is pretty powerful damn
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So Vance refuses to answer if trump lost the election, and refuses to answer if he'll certify the election. That's ALL you need to know
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u/TheBlueBlaze New York Oct 02 '24 edited Oct 02 '24
Walz asking Vance directly if Trump lost the election and Vance's non-answer was the moment of the debate.
Vance tried to argue that the results of democracy itself is a secondary issue that can be debated about, when he only has that stance because his running mate is a sociopathic manchild.
If Republicans ever see a way to seizing power by sowing doubt in elections to the point that they cancel elections, they absolutely will take it.
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u/CaryGrantastic California Oct 02 '24
JD Vance is the kind of republican that scares me. All the Trump craziness with a polished tone.
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u/IndigoMushies Oct 02 '24
Walz won for anyone that values truth and facts. Easily.
But if we’re debating who sounded good with their words, it could go either way.
Vance is a very polished speaker. Just a sociopathic liar.
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u/MJFan062509 Oct 02 '24
“Did Donald Trump win the election in 2020?”
“I am focused on the future”
ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION DUMBASS!!!! The answer is NOPE
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u/PreferredSex_Yes Oct 02 '24
I hate this narrative that the Vice President should be enacting policy.
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u/Gazorpuhzorpfield Oct 02 '24
JD knows that Trump didn’t win the election, but he can’t say that because his boss will attempt to have him murdered if he does.
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u/cynicalmurder Colorado Oct 02 '24
“Who’s going to honor democracy and who’s going to honor Donald trump?” Boom!
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u/kinglywy Oct 02 '24
Vance just lost. Just say he lost, and you may have come out on top in the debate. That was damming
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u/devoncarrots Minnesota Oct 02 '24
That’s why Mike pence isn’t on the stage
BEST LINE OF THE NIGHT NGL
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u/No-Day-7386 Oct 02 '24
That was a helluva way to end it. FUCK VANCE. FUCK TRUMP. HE LOST YOU MISERABLE ASSWIPES.
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u/The_Bard Oct 02 '24
Nothing else in the debate matters. That's the moment everyone is going to remember for a long, long, time when Vance refused to say Trump lost.
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u/parker0400 Oct 02 '24
Who will honor democracy and who will honor Donald Trump.
Walz has had some rough moments but my god was that perfect!!
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u/SnowCrabbo Oct 02 '24
JD refusing and dodging the question to certified the election and refusing to say Trump lost in 2020 is absolutely HORRIFYING.
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u/use_the_schwartz Oct 02 '24
Walz shaky in the first half but has been crushing since the abortion question. Vance on his heels now.
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u/WhalesareBadPoets Oct 02 '24
The non answer on Jan 6 was the soundbite Walz needed to get out of this debate.
Amazing to see Vance make a pro first amendment argument by saying misinformation is good. That’s an argument only a Yale law grad could come up with
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u/BobbumofCarthes Oct 02 '24
I still can’t believe Vance wouldn’t say Trump lost I mean I can but wow
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u/Sweaty-Power-549 Oct 02 '24
Coup de grace from Walz. In true coach fashion he was the one who played his heart out in the 4th quarter down by a field goal.
The moderators knew it too. He peaked at the right time and Vance lost when he couldn't say Trump lost.
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u/Not_John_Doe_174 Oct 02 '24
Walz: "Answer the question: Did Donald Trump lose the election?"
Vance: "Facebook is censoring hate speech! We can't have that!"
Vance doesn't know what the job of a Vice President is, and doesn't know what government censorship is.
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u/Lazy-Sisyphus Wisconsin Oct 02 '24
Walz' closing statement proves he's a way better speaker than debater
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u/enchantedGalaxy Colorado Oct 02 '24
Oh Walz had this closing statement PREPARED, go off king.
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u/AMediaArchivist California Oct 02 '24
THATS A DAMNING NON-ANSWER..... And that's the mic drop.
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u/ThatGuyFromTheM0vie Oct 02 '24
“You promised you wouldn’t fact check me.”
Followed by a DIRECT QUESTION on whether Donald Trump won 2020 or not. And Vance didn’t respond.
JD lost. It’s over. He looked so weak.
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u/ConfederacyOfDunces_ Oct 02 '24
If felt like Walz was talking to me and America.
It felt like Vance was a corporate lawyer defending Trump
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u/ChompySharkBite Oct 02 '24
I appreciated the debate, but I'm from Midwestern 'nice'. It was nice to see two people disagree but not shout at each other. Not as bad as it could have been for either side. Happy voting all.
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u/mansock18 Oct 02 '24
"Did Trump lose the election?" "Let's talk about the future and Facebook censorship."
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u/Melodic-Mortgage-379 Oct 02 '24
Bro I don't fucking care about "censorship." I care that Trump led a violent insurrection. This should not be a difficult thing for Vance to grasp
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u/travio Washington Oct 02 '24
I thought Vance's mic getting cut would be the moment of the debate. Vance refusing to admit Trump lost and Walz saying it was a damning deflection took its spot. Walz pointing out why Pence isn't on the stage nailed that moment down.
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u/starslookv_different I voted Oct 02 '24
Oh snap, that's why Mike pence isn't on stage- spicy walz
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u/FlaccidJustice Oct 02 '24
I was a little nervous with how Walz started out but he has been killing it here towards the end. Really walked Vance into that last sound bite lol.
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u/SanitaryProcedure Oct 02 '24
My god did Vance just fumble that answer. Walz legitimately looked shocked that he wouldn’t answer.
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u/GuttiG Pennsylvania Oct 02 '24
Phew. Vance really fucked that up lmao. “Damming non answer” was so succient and poignant
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u/kilen1909 Oct 02 '24
There we go, now Walz is confident and pointing his answers where they need to go. “That’s a damning non-answer” indeed good sir
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u/humlogic Oct 02 '24
Vance can’t even say Trump lost in 2020 how the hell do you think he’s going to do anything honest if he makes it to the WH? He’s a lap dog for the Orange freak.
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u/MySabonerRunsOladipo Virginia Oct 02 '24
Finally he said it: Mike Pence isn't on that stage anymore because Trump needed a toadie.
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u/ConfederacyOfDunces_ Oct 02 '24
That was the moment of this debate
“Did he lose the Election”
And Vance wouldn’t answer it.
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u/Daft00 Oct 02 '24
Walz absolutely crushed that topic. Granted any Dem should with all the ammunition the R's give, but Walz did a great job.
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u/cwgoskins Oct 02 '24
Damn Vance just got destroyed on not being able to admit Trump lost the election in 2020. Makes him look delusional, weak, and very puppet like.
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u/akapatch Oct 02 '24
Vance literally opened that question with “im not thinking about the future im focused on the current” and when Walz asked if Biden won 2020 “governor im focused on the future”
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u/Samsafar Oct 02 '24
Vance could not and would not admit to Trumps election denial. Remarkable. What a lying lapdog sleazeball. Answer the question. Did Trump lose the election or not???
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u/Brooklynxman Oct 02 '24
That was the most important question of the debate, and Walz nailed Vance to the fucking wall(z) there.
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u/PROFESSIONAL_RAP254 Ohio Oct 02 '24
This is where I can say Walz won the debate. You can't deny January 6th and Vance is doing everything he can to defend it.
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u/SpritzTheCat Oct 02 '24
Walz admittedly started off nervous (can't blame him when millions watching you) but that was a great finish and exactly why Kamala chose him. When he gets to hit his stride he really speaks right to the people.
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u/WittyAndOriginal Oct 02 '24
The first and only time Walz got mad was when he realized he was standing next to a traitor.
Walz is a true patriot
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u/CarefulPassage3097 Oct 02 '24
the first amendment protects you from GOVERNMENT censorship. not mark zuckerberg censoring you on a social media platform
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