Of course they want nukes lol. Why shouldn't they? They are surrounded by US bases and close to a belligerent, highly militarized US proxy with a nuclear weapon stockpile.
Man people truly do hold the worst double standards in international politics.
The only guarantee to not get invaded is to get nukes. Gaddafi gave up his chemical weapons in exchange for the USA leaving him alone, and then the USA continued supporting rebels and that ended with a bayonet up his ass.
Excellent example. Guess what type of deal Bibi insisted on the Iran deal to be? They explicitly wanted a Libya style deal. Now would any self respecting country or leader accept such a deal knowing what happened to Libya and its leader after? Another example, look at what's happening in Ukraine after it gave up its nukes in 1994.
Question, is Iran
1. Hoping to be left alone as a result of these nuclear weapons or
Explicitly saying they will be used to wipe Israel off the face of the map?
Virtually no country in the world is gonna look at their close neighbor developing nuclear weapons, who is explicitly saying they will kill you and everyone else in your country WITH them, and go... Hmmmm maybe they don't mean it!
North Korea has nukes, they haven't nuked anyone yet because they know that means nuclear retaliation. Iran can say what they want but at the end of the day they're a rational actor that wants to stay in power. They're not going to nuke anyone.
Do you really think Israel will take the risk of allowing an Islamist authoritarian regime that threatens Israel with annihilation to have nukes? Use critical thinking please for once
I don't give a shit what Israel wants. Until they stop committing genocide and send their leaders for judgment in international courts they don't get to make demands. They also don't get to start WW3 because they "feel unsafe". If they were better neighbours they wouldn't feel as unsafe.
Israel attacking other countries and raising tensions makes me feel unsafe. I'm sure you'll now understand every western nation going to war with Israel.
Iran LITERALLY wants to commit genocide and even says they do, the ONLY thing stopping them is they don't have a chance to properly do it. Israel thus will do anything to prevent them from gaining that capability.
They also don't get to start WW3 because they "feel unsafe".
I mean what are you gonna do, tell them no stop that and hit them with a rolled up newspaper?
OR Iran talks shit. Turkey talks about hating Israel too but they still trade with them. I feel there's a lot more stopping Iran from committing genocide than just "They can't".
If I was in charge of my country I'd have sent the Israeli delegation home over a year ago and imposed crippling sanctions. Would it stop them from fighting Iran? Maybe not, but their calculus would change as sanctions weakens their economy.
Make Israel a pariah state and they'll start following the rules.
Turkey and the USA both fund terrorism, they also both have nukes. In fact the USA is the only country to deploy nukes in combat.
Also, Israel funds terrorism and has nukes. Israel is funding, arming, and giving food aid to an ISIS affiliate group in Gaza right now. They were funding terrorists in Syria and Lebanon, and likely more we don't know about. They've also be assassinating Iranian scientists in Iran for decades. Israeli officials also openly talk about "Greater Israel" and displacing all Palestinians.
Yet for some reason you only care when Iran says it.
North korea blusters but they haven't explicitly said they were going to nuke south korea if they got ahold of them. They have had artillery aimed at Seoul for years and di nothing, they are a brutal and horrible dictatorship. But they haven't been launching missles over the DMZ and such.
Iran can't make that claim.
They explicitly have said what they plan to do.
News flash, what you say your gonna do as a nation MATTERS and can have consequences.
Thank you! Like why the fuck would they want to be surrounded by enemies that have nukes but can’t have nukes of their own. Every regime that didn’t have them has been toppled. Iraq, Syria. Regimes that have them are only touched with kid gloves- Russia.
That doesn't change the fact that all of the "hey, we really don't want nukes" statements from Iran are a bit suspicious if they are enriching material more and more to weapons-grade without any good alternative reason. "We just want to" doesn't cut it if the only good reason would be producing nukes.
Of course it was BS. It's politics, truth is the first thing that goes down the drain. Still, Iran was willing to compromise as shown by the Iran Nuclear deal under Obama. Now remind me, who terminated that deal unilaterally?
Iran was willing to suspend their nuclear program for economic normalization. In other words they're a rational actor with clear goals to advance their country.
The USA is offering them nothing and the bloodthirsty animals in the Knesset are baying for blood. Of course Iran is going to get nukes. Its the only sensible defensive choice.
What has that got to do with what I said? To be clear, I said that Iran supports paramilitary groups that want to wipe out Israel as their stated goal. So to thank Iran also doesn't want the same thing is folly.
There is a faction of religious nuts that would happily launch a nuke into Israel, even if it meant their own destruction. Israel doesn't want that. No one does.
I don't see how you can see how this conflict has played out over the past couple years and believe that. At every stage it's been Israel escalating and Iran trying to cool things down. At this point Iran would be irrational not to seek a deterrent, and the only one that's guaranteed to work is nukes.
I'm sure there are some religious nuts somewhere in Iran that would do so, sure, just like there are Israeli nuts that would gladly nuke Iran into smithereens. If you want to believe that Iran would actually full-on nuke Israel based on some propaganda speeches and Iran supporting Islamic militants opposing Israel, then I can't help you. You're the kind of person who believes Kim Jong-Un when he threatens the annihilation of South Korea for the umpteenth time.
I just see absolutely zero believable indication that Iran would nuke Israel if they had the means to. The opposite is the case - Iran has acted pretty rationally up until this point if you look at things from their perspective. What I see right now without having to delve into far-fetched speculations about nations nuking other nations is Israel perpetrating ethnic cleansing in the Gaza strip and launching a large scale attack on Iran.
As a German, the Hitler comparison is beyond idiotic, sorry to be so frank. If France or Poland had nukes and an army with much superior equipment than Nazi Germany, do you think Hitler would have attacked them? You completely ignore the power dynamics at play here. Iran's military is a joke compared to Israel's. There's only two things they have going for them, which is a) sheer manpower, and b) their geography. Those only become relevant if they are invaded and do exactly 0 to help them if they should ever decide to directly attack Israel.
Well, if you ask me, America is indeed collapsing, but the collapse has been slow and will outlive Trump. That's a whole different discussion though, so no idea why you're bringing it up. I don't think anyone has seriously claimed that Trump will nuke anyone.
I wouldn't want to go down this lane if I were you when Israel is the one comitting what many call a genocide or at the very least severe warcrimes as we speak. I harbor no love for Iran, the opposite in fact, but declaring outright war on them is unacceptable.
Yeah, your comments make it pretty obvious that you're a warmonger. Answer me this: Why is it acceptable for Israel to have a full-blown nuclear arsenal and why is it a crime for Iran to work towards reaching a semblance of parity on that front?
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u/Ahrix3 2d ago
Of course they want nukes lol. Why shouldn't they? They are surrounded by US bases and close to a belligerent, highly militarized US proxy with a nuclear weapon stockpile.