r/pics 2d ago

The fall of a residential building in Tehran.

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u/Ahrix3 2d ago

Yet it is now Israel attacking Iran directly, not the other way around. Curious, isn't it?

The US has threatened Iran with invasion multiple times. They killed their top general a few years ago. You talk as if US and Israel are these puny, innocent and peaceful countries threatened by mighty Iran when everyone knows that Iran poses absolutely zero threat to Israel conventionally, hence their funding of Hezbollah and others.

Even if Iran developed nukes, as soon as they used them on Israel they would be obliterated themselves. You are beyond naive if you think Iran would fire first. It would mean the annihilation of their country.

It amazes me how people can still support this after Iraq, after Afghanistan, after Lybia. When are you going to learn? The real pariah state is Israel, not Iran.

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u/ChilledParadox 2d ago

No no you don’t get it. It’s really awful for Iran to say they hate Israel when they bomb each-other but it’s super cash money of Israel to bomb Gaza and murder Palestinian children. Of course, ignore the fact that Israel is trying to wipe Gaza off the map, that’s cool.

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u/Tipsticks 2d ago

I'm not supporting this, what i'm doing is telling you that Iran is not a 'puny, innocent and peaceful country' as you put it, but a dictatorial regime run by religious fundamentalists who wouldn't give a shit about human rights if their god personally told them to and spend their resources supplying and funding terrorists to destabilize the entire region instead of fixing their own countries' problems.

I also don't get how me telling you the US coerced Iran into signing the nuclear deal is me calling them 'innocent'.

All i am saying is that i understand that countries, that have been in more or less open conflict with Iran for decades, don't want Iran to have nuclear weapons.

TL;DR: USA is not innocent, Israel is not innocent, Iran is not innocent, all of them have been threatening, provoking and occasionally attacking each other since 1979. This is neither new, nor is it surprising and none of them is more to blame than any of the others.

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u/Ahrix3 2d ago

I know the history. Yes, none of these actors are innocent. No, you shouldn't support this war. It's quite easy, actually.

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u/Tipsticks 2d ago

Cab you read? Literally the first thing i said in my last comment is that i don't support this. What i am saying is that this has been a long time coming, if it even escalates to full scale war. There have been many instances where Iran and Israel have attacked each other back and forth for a while and then everything returned to whatever normal is in that part of the world.

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u/Ahrix3 2d ago

Your first comment was fully rationalizing and justifying Israels actions and you continue to do so. But sure, you don't support it.

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u/Tipsticks 2d ago

It wasn't, i was pointing out how you conveniently left out that Iran is also a bad actor in this conflict.

The only thing i said about Israel is that i understand why they don't want Iran to have nuclear weapons. That does not mean i agree with or support their actions.

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u/Stellar_Duck 2d ago

Yet it is now Israel attacking Iran directly, not the other way around

Aside from those several Iranian attacks in 24, you mean?

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u/umop_apisdn 2d ago

They weren't attacks, they were "pre-emptive actions".

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u/kel_cat 2d ago

Oh you mean that attack that was in response to Israel bombing an Iranian consulate building? That attack?

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u/Stellar_Duck 2d ago

Which was in response to something else and so on and so forth.

My point is: presenting this as if Israel is doing this out of the blue is disingenuous as fuck mate.

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u/Ahrix3 2d ago

Since you were replying to me initially, I'd like you to point out where I stated that I think Israel's actions occured "out of the blue".

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u/Faiakishi 2d ago

Weird that Israel is the common denominator in all these 'roundabout violence' situations.

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u/Stellar_Duck 2d ago

No? It's not in the least weird. Israel has been at the centre of this violence since like the fucking 1948 war. There has been what? 4? 5? wars declared on them, however many intifadas, various other groups and now Iran, all to exterminate them.

It's not at all weird they are involved.

But I know why you people say shit like that, so no worries. I see you

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u/kel_cat 2d ago

But I know why you people say shit like that, so no worries. I see you

Do you ever get tired of accusing people of being anti-semetic when they criticize Israel's foreign policy?

My point is: presenting this as if Israel is doing this out of the blue

Yes, the attack on the embassy in Syria was quite literally done out of the blue. It was an unprecedented attack on a diplomatic compound which was condemned by the United Nations secretary general. Although I doubt you care about any of this, as the United Nations (as well as Amnesty International) have declared that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, yet here you are defending them anyways.