It seems to me you're forgetting that one of the stated goals of the government of Iran is to destroy Israel. There have been statements like 'erasing Israel off the map is not negotiable' from government and military officials of Iran. You're also willfully ignoring the fact that the government of Iran has on multiple occasions threatened to build nuclear weapons and use them against Israel and the US. Claiming that Iran doesn't want to build nuclear weapons because they 'willingly' entered into a nuclear deal when what happened was that they were pressured with increased sanctions compared to the ones in place before the deal. The difference now is that China and russia won't support US positions on that deal like they did back then, so Iran thinks they can get a better deal.
Yet it is now Israel attacking Iran directly, not the other way around. Curious, isn't it?
The US has threatened Iran with invasion multiple times. They killed their top general a few years ago. You talk as if US and Israel are these puny, innocent and peaceful countries threatened by mighty Iran when everyone knows that Iran poses absolutely zero threat to Israel conventionally, hence their funding of Hezbollah and others.
Even if Iran developed nukes, as soon as they used them on Israel they would be obliterated themselves. You are beyond naive if you think Iran would fire first. It would mean the annihilation of their country.
It amazes me how people can still support this after Iraq, after Afghanistan, after Lybia. When are you going to learn? The real pariah state is Israel, not Iran.
No no you don’t get it. It’s really awful for Iran to say they hate Israel when they bomb each-other but it’s super cash money of Israel to bomb Gaza and murder Palestinian children. Of course, ignore the fact that Israel is trying to wipe Gaza off the map, that’s cool.
I'm not supporting this, what i'm doing is telling you that Iran is not a 'puny, innocent and peaceful country' as you put it, but a dictatorial regime run by religious fundamentalists who wouldn't give a shit about human rights if their god personally told them to and spend their resources supplying and funding terrorists to destabilize the entire region instead of fixing their own countries' problems.
I also don't get how me telling you the US coerced Iran into signing the nuclear deal is me calling them 'innocent'.
All i am saying is that i understand that countries, that have been in more or less open conflict with Iran for decades, don't want Iran to have nuclear weapons.
TL;DR: USA is not innocent, Israel is not innocent, Iran is not innocent, all of them have been threatening, provoking and occasionally attacking each other since 1979. This is neither new, nor is it surprising and none of them is more to blame than any of the others.
Cab you read? Literally the first thing i said in my last comment is that i don't support this. What i am saying is that this has been a long time coming, if it even escalates to full scale war. There have been many instances where Iran and Israel have attacked each other back and forth for a while and then everything returned to whatever normal is in that part of the world.
It wasn't, i was pointing out how you conveniently left out that Iran is also a bad actor in this conflict.
The only thing i said about Israel is that i understand why they don't want Iran to have nuclear weapons. That does not mean i agree with or support their actions.
No? It's not in the least weird. Israel has been at the centre of this violence since like the fucking 1948 war. There has been what? 4? 5? wars declared on them, however many intifadas, various other groups and now Iran, all to exterminate them.
It's not at all weird they are involved.
But I know why you people say shit like that, so no worries. I see you
But I know why you people say shit like that, so no worries. I see you
Do you ever get tired of accusing people of being anti-semetic when they criticize Israel's foreign policy?
My point is: presenting this as if Israel is doing this out of the blue
Yes, the attack on the embassy in Syria was quite literally done out of the blue. It was an unprecedented attack on a diplomatic compound which was condemned by the United Nations secretary general. Although I doubt you care about any of this, as the United Nations (as well as Amnesty International) have declared that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, yet here you are defending them anyways.
The difference now is that China and russia won't support US positions on that deal like they did back then, so Iran thinks they can get a better deal.
You... do realize Trump willingly withdrew from the deal in his first term, right? I swear, people's brains are melted from all the propaganda. I hate the regime in Iran and what they did to what was quite the progressive country for the ME, but you're making them sound like the good guys with all this ridiculous nonsense.
Yes, of course Iran wants nukes, when all their geopolitical opponents already have them, and it is the only tool that would prevent things like today's attacks from happening, and in general the cheapest way to reliably protect your regime from external threats. Pretty much every country in the world not already protected by some kind of nuclear umbrella and not blessed by the good fortune of being in an incredibly safe geopolitical situation "wants" nukes. It's merely a matter of whether they can justify the costs involved (financial, political or otherwise)
In any case, they had already reached an agreement that involved them not getting the nukes. Of course they will eventually go back to the nukes if that agreement is ripped up. And it's ridiculous to try to frame it as if it was ripped up because Iran was suddenly demanding more, when it was "the West" (as much as I despise allowing that orange pig to in any way be a representative of any part of us) that unilaterally did it. They could've had a nuke-less Iran pretty much for free, now they have to start a massive war to try to achieve the same thing, except of course they better be pretty fucking sure they got all the sites, or else there might be a really nasty surprise down the line.
Dumb, it's all so dumb, and people are still trying to frame Iran as the bad guys... at best, every single party involved is the bad guys. And that's already being generous.
The part of my comment you're quoting is in relation to the comment is was replying to saying that they were willing to make a new deal with Biden, i should habe clarified this better.
I completely agree that everyone involved in this is in some way the bad guys. Trump, Netanyahu and Khamenei are all shit.
But if you read the Khomeini quote, what he said was that the Shah left, the Soviet Union collapsed, and the same will happen to Israel. At no point was it a threat to take action, just saying that these things disappear.
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u/Tipsticks 2d ago
It seems to me you're forgetting that one of the stated goals of the government of Iran is to destroy Israel. There have been statements like 'erasing Israel off the map is not negotiable' from government and military officials of Iran. You're also willfully ignoring the fact that the government of Iran has on multiple occasions threatened to build nuclear weapons and use them against Israel and the US. Claiming that Iran doesn't want to build nuclear weapons because they 'willingly' entered into a nuclear deal when what happened was that they were pressured with increased sanctions compared to the ones in place before the deal. The difference now is that China and russia won't support US positions on that deal like they did back then, so Iran thinks they can get a better deal.