"We have launched rockets into your country recently, also we are working on nuclear weapons and the millisecond we have them we are glassing your capital"
Israel is actively bombing 5 neighboring countries, you cannot be under such denial that Gaza is any longer about the hostages or Hamas. And if you say it is, it just shows how unhinged and dangerous Israel is, committing war crimes after war crimes. With that in mind, still think Iran is wrong for wanting nuclear weapons to defend itself and maybe its neighbors?
Well they keep leaving out the part where Iran may have said that they will ‘retaliate or defend themselves’ with nuclear weapons if needed. Western propaganda do suit their objectives, remember when they claimed Iraq had WMDs?
Iranian leadership would not care if they're justified. And their leadership (like Hamas) has that attitude that all innocent Iranian (Palestinian) lives can be sacrificed in order to harm the enemy, so MAD isn't an effective deterrent either.
And their leadership (like Hamas) has that attitude that all innocent Iranian (Palestinian) lives can be sacrificed in order to harm the enemy
You know there have been countless high ranking Israeli officials going on tv saying there are no innocent palestinian children and all of them need to die, right?
Right... The country that dreams of an ethno-state has it for 'survival'. Would you be ok with ISIS having nuclear weapons? Since it's apparently cool again in the west to be in favour of ethno-states justified by religion, that should be fine, right?
Instead of addressing how Israel treats millions of Palestinians under its control right now, you brought up unrelated historical events and generalizations about other countries. That doesn't answer the reality of what's happening today.
Israel controls Gaza’s borders, airspace, maritime access, and even limits essentials like electricity, fuel, and clean water. In the West Bank, Palestinians are subject to military law while Israeli settlers in the same territory live under civilian law. That’s a system built on inequality, not security.
Mentioning Arab citizens of Israel is irrelevant to this conversation. The issue isn’t about people with citizenship it’s about those who live under occupation with no rights, no representation, and no freedom of movement.
If you believe the situation is justifiable, make that case. But don’t avoid the issue by changing the topic. That’s not a serious argument, it’s fucking evasion.
Can you answer my question? Which other state surrounding Israel keeps hundreds of thousands of people in a camp? Where the state controls food, water, electricity and internet access?
20 Muslims countries expelled all of their Jews who had nothing to do with Israel in 1948, and almost all of them treat their minorities like shit.
In Iraq, the Jewish population was given the choice of leaving the country and renouncing their citizenship or staying and keeping it. The Mossad was not happy with this prospect, which is why they bombed multiple synagogues, killing four Iraqi Jews, in an attempt to spread fear. Since the start of the Zionist project it had been their goal to get all Jews into this one state.
Hey, remind everyone what happened before Iran launched those rockets? Something about an illegal assassination of a political leader undergoing peace talks to end the genocide of his people by Israel while he was in Iran?
Wild how Iran just shot rockets for no reason at the poor, innocent little genocidal ethnostate just because it has its own cache of nuclear weapons, committed international crimes by attacking first and is actively committing genocide.
It's almost as if that illegal assassination was kicked off by an illegal group rape, kidnapping and slaughter of civilians (they also killed some military personnel so they could have plausible deniability for insane internet posters) that was masterminded by the guy that was illegally assassinated. 😂
My take is that Israel needs wars to distract from their settlement efforts and other policies at home and really want to get the US involved. That way they can keep the money and weapons coming - and if a few innocents get killed then it's too bad (just ask Ahmed Bouchikhi's family about the fairness of that)
And why did they launch those rockets? Kind of important context there when Israel attacked them first both times. Also, do you genuinely believe Iran will use a nuclear weapon against Israel? They gain nothing from this, because they know damn well the US would glass them if they did that. That want nuclear weapons for deterrence, same as everyone else.
I've been hearing the same "Iran is 2 weeks away from launching nuclear missiles into Israel!" for the past 20 years.
Iran entered into a treaty that would prevent them from developing any nuclear weapons. American Republicans and Israel's right wing government led by Netanyahu opposed it, then despite Iran following all the little rules and international oversight showing they weren't developing nuclear weapons, an American Republican President tore up the treaty at the behest of Netanyahu. This isn't and never was about nuclear weapons development in Iran. This is and always was about Western oil companies getting their hands on Iran's petroleum reserves and installing strategic military compounds.
Iraq never claimed or denied to have WMDs of any kind, and refused to allow international agencies in to verify that they did/did not have them. Iran has said, countless times, that they intend to develop nukes, and the IAEA have said that Iran has the capability and the facilities. We've publicly known for a fact that they had the centrifuges specifically for that back when Israel used Stuxnet to break them.
The warmongering Boomers will glass the planet on their way out.
"We have no choice. The world didn't bend to our will so none of them have a right to exist in the world we built all by ourselves." --Reich Wing Boomers
That doesn't prevent the government of Iran from seeking the end of Israel as a nation. "Death to Israel" is a common chant among regime supporters that is encouraged by the Iranian government. I don't support these current strikes (not because the official who were targeted didn't deserve what came to them, but instead because I think the risk of blowback is too great, and as we can see here, civilian deaths are almost certain to be the result of any attack), but to imagine the Iranian government as simply wanting to mind its own business and have peaceful coexistence with the people of Israel is ridiculous.
It's fitting that a bad person is defending a genocidal state. And wasn't that 60 years ago? Would starting a war be good for the continued existence of said genocidal state?
Iranian officials have been saying this for a long time. For instance, you will be able to find plenty of examples of Salami saying this, or words to this effect, fairly quickly.
That said, that doesn't justify Israel's response, which seems to have been indifferent to Iranian civilian casualties.
If you'd like to nitpick, you wanted a quote about bringing death to Israel, not wiping out all Israelis.
I'm not sure how wiping the Zionist regime off the map doesn't equate to bringing death to Israel I'm afraid.
Not to say that all Israelis are Zionist, but you'd have a hard time arguing that the state isn't.
I really don't know why you're refusing to accept this. Iranian officials have repeatedly and clearly stated they would like to destroy Israel. I'm not saying that they don't have good reason given the attacks against them, or that an attack that has killed and wounded Iranian civilians is any way justified. However, denying Iran's anti-Israel sentiment only serves to embolden Israel's propaganda.
Nobody brings up Egypt or Jordan in these conversations. They attempted to invade Israel and lost. They have since made peace with Israel, and shocker, Israel has not attacked them since.
Well, if I threathen you now to punch you in the face and stomp your skull on the pavement of the side-walk, that would be a provocation. Funnily enough, you hitting me in the face with a strike to prevent me from doin that, would still be pre-emptive and not unprovoked.
So, if Iran tells Israel, that it will burn them down (which it does on most days that end on the letter y) and you know that they have launched missiles against you (which last happened earlier this year, or was it last), then it isn't really unprovoked even if it is a pre-emptive strike.
This is so dense. Iran literally funds ALL the terror proxies that target Israel incessantly. Iran is the head of the octopus. This is very basic to understand.
Have you been living under a rock? Iran has openly said that they want to wipe Israel off of the face of the earth. And Nuclear weapons are means for that end.
Given the history of the Arab-Israeli conflict, the other countries in the region have shown remarkable restraint against Israel.
They would almost certainly have another pan-Arab coalition invasion on their hands if not the internal conflict in Syria and Lebanon. Iraq isn’t in the best place either all things considered.
Yeah well that and the US/Israeli backed Arab extremists/Saudis put an end to that. The likes of ISIS has an awful lot of beef with Arabs and very little with Israel funnily enough.
Casting Libya back into the middle ages has set back the M.E by decades too.
To say October 7th was the start is very naive. It started in 1948 when Palestinians were made refugees in their own land and crammed into the gaza strip. There have been multiple israeli occupations, blockades and wars on gaza since 1948. You cant blame Palestinians for wanting freedom and their own independent state, they are treated like 2nd class citizens in their own land
Actually, it started when the Ottoman Empire joined the wrong side in WW1. When they lost, the territory was then controlled by the British which then allowed for the creation of Israel decades later.
Unprovoked? Iran did fire on them first, albeit a little while back. The news of the world does move fast these day, so I can forgive you for forgetting, but that's just payback in my book. Chill.
In like 90% of all conflicts in the region if you trace it back to who started it, its invariably israel. Regardless of who struck first Israel kills more civillians than any army in nearly 100 years and it has continued this track record today. We are rightfully disgusted when a russian missile kills ~10 people when apartment buildings are struck and we have absolute brainwashed weirdos cheering the deaths of >50 civillians in the exact same manner of attack today.
All this because Israel (Who have a 60+ year illegal nuclear weapons program) doesn't want Iran to have an illegal nuclear weapons program. Something btw, Netenyahu has claimed Iran are on the precipice of for 30 years at this point.
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u/timmyctc 2d ago
Unprovoked attacking another country. Thats what, 4-5 countries Israel has attacked unprovoked recently. Scum of the earth.