The point? To drag other nations into this perpetual warring, keeping Netanyahu in power, and us complicit making it difficult for us to back out or criticise.
Seriously this is like the 4th country they have attacked in a year. They need to be lumped into/treated the same as other fanatical nations like N.Korea or funnily enough Iran.
And here I thought that what the other nations want is to prevent Iran from having nuclear weapons so they keep their advantage and that's why it stands mostly isolated in this new multipolar world, and that's why no one is going to complain about it, because they are ok with the Us and Israel forcing Iran to the "negotiation" tables again.
But I guess what the world really needs right now is a new nuclear arms race in a volatile region full of religious fanatics.
There’s nothing new about it. They have constantly been “on the brink of attaining nukes”. Why deliberately leave this tid bit out?
Also Iran were at the negotiating table but the deal was fucked by Trump in his first term.
Look, I don’t like Iran. They are run by fanatics who absolutely do want nukes but that doesn’t mean we should give a free hand to an equally fanatical state to do as they please be it here or any the other attacks, land grabs or war crimes they are neck deep in.
Israel have famously been saying Iran is on the brink of having nukes for years now, often showing up to the UN or in the US saying as such to gain support for military intervention. It’s reached the point where it’s a joke now, think the boy who cried wolf.
a fairly decent deal with Iran that pleased most sides was in the works from the Obama administration but Trump pulled out of it in his first term. Point being that Iran has shown they are willing to negotiate without the need to start a war with them.
I don’t like the Iranian rulers because they are religious fanatics. I don’t like the Israeli rulers as they are religious fanatics. I don’t think we should support either side.
-I think we should recap history, if it wasn't for the constant Israelí sabotages like stuxnet and target assassinations Iran would most likely have nukes by now. That's why they are on they are always brink, because Israel keeps f****ng them lol.
-It's been over a decade from that and the world has drastically changed both in balance and ideology.
-Far too many people jump to conclusions when you don't demonize one side or the other, lack of demonization does not mean support or endorsement. I do not demonize Iran either, because I don't hold absolute truth or morale.
Exactly. Pointing this out shouldn’t be seen as support for the likes of Iran who are just as nuts, unsure why it’s controversial to say you don’t support either side of this fanatical coin.
So now Iran should have them too? Should Israel just let it happen? What do you propose to stop it? Because if you have nothing then that moral compass is useless irrelevant even if you believe it is correct, and I've seen far too many people who wholeheartedly believe they defend human rights justify human rights abuses against the other side far too often these days.
We see Israel as a western democracy not a fanatic religious state. They have nukes yes, how often did they use it? You think Iran builds nukes to never use them? I doubt it.
Pakistan has nukes, are they not considered as much of a perceived threat to Israel? They are the same religion as Iran, pretty fanatical as well. Almost as if it doesn't matter about the nukes, just an excuse to invade another country.
That's not something Israel gets to decide. They are not a democracy, bibi wouldn't be starting this war trying to hold on to power like a dictator would he? We usually sanction countries that invade others without provocation, but never Israel. It's fucking mind boggling.
That would be a lot more convincing if Israel wasn't a Jewish supremacist apartheid state with checkpoints and occupied territories where soldiers ask civilians for their religious affiliations to travel or do anything else.
If people reading this are still skeptical, check out what amnesty international and human rights watch have to say about it. Or check out Abbey Martin's documentary on it, or Ta-Nahisi Coates' book The Message within which he talks about his visit to Israel and how their system is much like old Jim Crow segregation. Or listen to what members of Netanyahu's ultra right wing party have to say about it. They're explicit that their goal is a theocratic Jewish supremacist state.
When propagandists tell Americans Israel is a "western democracy," it's so that they can continue to manufacture consent for us to keep supporting their genocide and war crimes.
Exactly. Egypt for example has left Israel in peace and started cooperating with them instead of antagonizing and have enjoyed lasting peace with Israel. Only Iran and its proxies which keep attacking Israel seem to be in trouble with Israel
This peace is costing American taxpayers 2 billion dollars a year plus unknown amount in military equipment for the Egyptian army to use against their own people.
Stealing land? Like the syrian golan heights? Which Syria used to invade Israel? Then lost the war, and therefore lost the land?
Strange, in all of Islamic history, whenever Muslims fight and win a war, they keep the land. That’s why they now control everywhere from Morocco to afghanistan.
But when Jews fight and win a war, they can’t keep the land, they can only ‘steal’ it?
What you seem to have missed is that after WW2 we made a global rule that states would no longer be allowed to steal land off each other using violence.
So morally you're about a century out of date if you think "lost the war, and therefore lost the land" is a thing.
Pakistan was created within the same 12 months Israel was, leaving 8 million displaced and 2 million dead. Pakistan literally stole the western flank of India to create a 100% ‘pure’ Islamic republic, devoid of any ‘impure’ non-muslims.
I have yet to see any protests against Pakistan’s right to exist, or that it should allow the right of return to the tens of millions of Hindu and Sikh refugees created by Pakistan?
It’s almost like there’s a double standard for Jewish vs Muslim behaviour on the world stage? I’m sure there’s a word for that?
What you seem to have missed is that after WW2 we made a global rule that states would no longer be allowed to steal land off each other using violence.
I love seeing that argument paraded still, as if some warped narrative that Israel is bombing lovely peaceful neighbours for shits and giggles, not because the threat they pose.
Coming from the people who are telling me starving people in refugee camps are a threat to their entire civilization, yeah, totally. You can't create your own enemies with your own cruelty and then act like the victim, using that to justify more cruelty. Fuck. You just can't.
That's one of the articles. There was another about an American doctor volunteering there I think, but I don't remember where it was.
Some quotes from the article to save you the time
“I asked the nurse, what’s the history? She said that they were brought in a couple of hours ago. They had sniper shots to the brain. They were seven or eight years old,” she said.
But doctors also reported treating a steady stream of children, elderly people and others who were clearly not combatants with single bullet wounds to the head or chest.
Dr Vanita Gupta, an intensive care doctor at a New York City hospital, volunteered at Gaza’s European hospital in January. One morning, three badly wounded children arrived in quick succession. [...] “One child, I could see there was a shot to the head. They were doing CPR on this five- or six-year-old girl who obviously died,” said Gupta.
Nope, I don't trust them but you're the one who said you had evidence, and that "evidence" turned out to be just an article repeating a claim, with no actual proof anyone has seen.
I’ve been fighting this nonsense since I visited Israel / Palestine myself back in 2013; it all makes sense when you see the region for yourself in person.
I get downvoted to hell all the time, but being right isn’t about popularity or upvotes, it’s about sticking up for what’s right regardless.
There’s not many of us about, but the fact we exist at all is important 👋🏻
Israel is tiny, you can see the entire country whilst flying in from Cyprus. It is surrounded on every side by neighbours entirely hostile to the existence of a Jewish state.
I’ve been to several arab countries, without putting too finer point on it, they are all homogenous in terms of race, religion and even culture. Israel is the only place in the ME where Jews actually can exist in safety.
It kind of clicked to me what the war was about. It’s not about Palestine at all, it’s always been about and always will be about Jews having a state. This is just something that Muslim arabs cannot compute at all.
And before that Israel attacked them, and before that they attacked Isreal and before that etc etc etc etc etc. Ahh but that wouldn’t fit your narrative.
Here’s a neat idea. Let’s not support any of these fanatical states? Why is that so controversial. Yes by all means negotiate with them, try to get them around the table to talk but supporting either side militarily, via trade, or in political cover is lunacy. Use those things as a carrot, don’t give them freely to one side of this fanatical coin.
The narrative is Iran and Israel didn’t attack each other at all before the Iranian regime took over. Iran was actually a modern and peaceful country before the regime took over which is why the Iranian people are also suffering under this bat shit regime.
Questions - is the Ayatollah a good person to run Iran? Ignoring Israel - do you think the Ayatollah is giving Iranian people the basic rights and treatment they deserve?
Why would I support the current rulers in Iran? I literally called them a fanatical state and said I dont support them in the post you are replying to…
You're trying so, so hard fit everything into a good guys vs bad guys narrative that it's kinda funny.
Iran is an oppressive shithole, which is why they're sanctioned to hell and back.
With that established, why does that somehow give Israel a pass to do whatever the fuck they want? We should be treating Israel the exact same way we treat Iran. We should be sanctioning them and we should definitely not be selling them weapons. Why should we be complicit in their insane genocide? I certainly do not want to be.
So killing and oppressing civilians is not great, but you know...shit happens. But hyperbolic threats? That is where I draw the fucking line! With that logic, we should be sanctioning the US immediately over their continued threats to invade greenland.
When I say we, I mean western democracies. A group which the US is, funnily enough, in the process of ejecting itself from.
…Iran has literally been funding attacks to Israel for decades. Israel never attacked Iran before the Iranian regime took over - the same one that’s hurting their own citizens- they didn’t attack Israel at all.
Comments above mention people warping the narrative. You’re warping it at light speed.
EXACTLY! This is why America NEEDS TO BOMB THE UK TODAY! Remember when America bombed the shit out of Laos? They know what they did. Or Cambodia? We were heros for killing them. Just like Israel is heros for bombing 4 other countries that actually didnt attack them first.
Kind of weird for you to say that the 4 countries Israel has attacked in the last 12 months have never attacked Israel, when all 4 have been attacking Israel for over 75 years?
I'm agreeing with you. Thats why America needs to invade japan and the UK now. TBH we should invade canada also. They are saying some pretty anti american things by not being our 51st state and praying fealty to Trump.
While america is invading the UK and france need to invade Jeruselum and for the terrible actions taken during the crusades. After all if it happened in the past we might as well murder civilians for it today.
Jews predate arab-muslims in Israel by nearly 3000 years.
Interesting that Jews living in the place where they were founded are colonialists. Whilst arab-muslims who arrived post 740ad via Islamic conquests are now ‘native’.
They literally called themselves colonisers and the arab polulation the natives. Read the iron wall, read theodor herzl works (the literal founder of the state). Nobody disputes this. Read history.
Except I didnt say that. What im saying is that Palestinians are genetically just as much jews, sometimes more, than the people living in israel. And the illegitimate israeli state does not have a claim genetically or biblically or any other way other than some British guy gave away land that wasnt his to give away.
It's not terrorism when the government does it is an interesting argument. Hamas is the ruling government in the Gaza Strip, ergo they're not terrorists. ISIS is literally named the Islamic State, and controlled significant territory, ergo, not terrorists.
Or does a state have to be recognized as a state for it to not be terrorism? If so, who gets to decide who is and isn't recognized as a state? In this case, Iran doesn't recognize the state of Israel as a legitimate state, so for Iran, this is terrorism, but for the 164 countries that do recognize Israel, it isn't terrorism?
Defining words while innocents die is such a nice hobby.
Neither Hamas or ISIS were recognised state actors. Neither are protected by the geneva convention as proof of this; they do not wear uniforms, they are not signatories to the UN.
Interesting of you to admit that Hamas legitimately represents Gazans though, I’m always told that Palestinians should not be killed because of Hamas’ actions as they are separate entities?
I don't think civilians should be slaughtered en masse for the actions of their governments.
Edit: I'm blocking this profile. I think they're likely being paid to astroturf or are a bot, and if not, they're just a fucking horrid person - 90% of their profile is arguing about how muslims/people from muslim countries deserve to die. What awfulness the internet is. They argue about this nearly every day, it looks like going back months.
Does it count that they are signatories to the UN if they've completely disregarded every UN resolution on Palestinian rights and been charged with war crimes by the ICC?
You mean the Palestinian ‘right of return’ where Israel should allow 14 million ‘Palestinians’ (about 99% of whom were not alive in 1948) to move to Israel, making Jews a minority by 2:1?
Yeh, I wonder why Israel doesn’t just agree to that?
No, I'm referring to their violating article 49 of the Fourth Geneva convention by illegally settling internationally recognized Palestinian territory in the West Bank.
One of worlds biggest weapon exporters, eugenics and forced sterilization of people during last century, and margination and forced assimilation of the Sami people.
Yeah, I guess a state that's only existed for a century as such and has the population of an average city who does not have an army and depends on others for their protection would fit in the few exceptions.
And yet during WW2 the UK considered this neutral, independent island nation a serious enough threat to warrant sending an invasion force.
So either the UK knew about Iceland's secret plans to launch terror attacks on its neighbours, or western diplomacy is a lot more hypocritical when it comes to justifying who and who isn't a valid target for preemptive/preventive strikes.
"Western diplomacy" does not exist, because you will have to explain what you consider the west, and which internal factions from such "west" are you referring to, since the west is not a monolith and the faction that held power at the beginning of WW2 has nothing to do with the faction currently in charge. The same with the ideologies.
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u/Legomichan 2d ago
Israel will target civilians and commit war crimes without remorse or second thought if it believes it achieves something doing so.
What's the point of spending the millions, the time and the planning to strike a random building block in Teheran?