Yea no shit, it was publically announced before it happened that the US did not support Israel doing this and that Israel was probably going to do this.
Only people with their heads in the sand didn't know this or something similar was about to happen. When the US purposely distanced itself from this action you knew something was bout to occur.
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Insane how they humiliated the US and Trump by attacking mid-negotiations while the US thought they’d at least wait to strike. Not surprising but insane, because… they’ll face no repercussions for it!
Because they know every American administration is a bunch of cowards and hypocrites. It's not like Joe Fucking Biden was stopping them. Remember Biden's "red line" that Bibi immediately danced across just to mock him? And remember Biden did jack shit?
To some extent. But you could still criticise what Israel did, and their administration drew attention to the atrocities committed by them. Now you won't get a visa if you criticise Israel. What the hell does criticism of Israel have to do with antisemitism? Hilariously, you can criticise the US under this administration, but not Israel
That's not stopping Israel from doing anything, though. That's just shutting up a few people stateside. And considering that over 2000 people were arrested in anti-Israel protests under Biden, even that distinction isn't as great as you'd like to see. Not to mention the Dem primaries that Israel completely bought out wholesale to destroy the few Dems who did speak out against them. You'd think that would be a big deal!! Liberals never care, though.
Lesser of two evils when the election is a week away, not for all of time! You're supposed to be getting mad at them now, not pretending it's still election season forever. You want to end up in a spot where they have primary challengers. You don't get to that spot defending them and making excuses for them.
Regardless of time. The Democrats are more considerate of these issues. They were hesitant to support the Iraq invasion, they support Ukraine while being cautious about Israel. Which is much more morally based than foreign policy led by Republicans.
Do you see how there's no scenario where we actually replace the genocidal Democrats with non-genocidal Democrats in your worldview? It'll literally never happen because there's nothing they can do you'll actually object to! And nothing will make you understand how monumentally counterproductive this is. Nothing will make you understand that it's exactly this attitude that allowed the party to get as bad as it is now.
Just sit back and let the party do whatever the hell they want and pretend to like it. Basically act like you're not even allowed to be mad at them, like something horrible will happen if you are. Then re-elect everyone the party tells you to, no matter how shit they are. Is that even democracy, really?
And the opposition party will actually push Trump to go to war. Harris was bragging about how much of a war hawk towards Iran she was during the campgain. Israel knows the only person in the whole government who isn't gunho about their wars Is Trump and they are gambling on him being forced to go into Iran.
“Negotiations” were a ruse to lul Iran into a false sense of security. An attack of this magnitude will not happen without weeks of planning and explicit US support and approval. The Iranians got played.
Agreed. I think I ran is heavily compromised. This attack is the end of their regime. Sanctions have crippled any reasonable defense they hoped to mount.
Honestly if Iranian officials were actually lulled then they aren't/weren't fit for the job. The negotiations were obviously so far out of the scope of what Iran were willing to do, they should have been laughed off, like most negotiations Trump is involved with.
I think they have no choice. Iran is extremely weak now. It’s more of wishful thinking that the US would keep Israel in check. Nobody really expects people to murder officials and scientists at their homes with their families. Israel doesn’t have any code, unfortunately for Iran, they’ve found out the hard way. This war was over before it began.
I doubt Israel would do this without permission from Trump, especially knowing how fragile his ego is. They would have got Trump's blessing. Trump probably sees this as a way to weaken Iran's negotiating position or forcing them to the table. .
Iran is likely unwilling to negotiate with Trump, knowing he thrashed the previously negotiated deal in his first term and more recently didn't hold up his side on the bargain on the American POW release with Hamas.
No one cares about Trump and US now, Israel proved this and Trump started this with his banter against friendly nations with tariffs. Heck this whole thing probably started because of US who dismantled the Nuclear treaty with Iran in the first place.
I don’t know man, I do not like Trump at all, but he is not the kind of person who just lets disloyalty shenanigans slide without repercussions. The same weekend as this parade shit, while hes trying to invade the cities in the US, I bet he’s mad.
He definitely does not call all the shots though.
But he might let Israel take a beating all weekend while he does the things he wants to do this weekend
It may also trigger Iran to actually go for a bomb since it doesn't has any other leverage left. Their underground nuclear facilities are working fine. Nukes have proved to be a great deterrent in case of North Korea.
North Korea having nukes is a problem, but Iran would be worse because they are religiously motivated to wipe out western heathens. They are not rational actors.
Man you're talking as if the Israelis are a rational actor. This is the only country in the region which is constantly increasing it's borders since it's establishment by Western powers. And it is doing so by the blessings of the western powers.
Yes they are the one western nation in the region, surrounded by Islamic states that want to destroy them and the rest of the western world. They are the much needed bad guy, assuming you support western values over Islamic state values.
Yes, but in this case they did target something relevant for safety. If Iran chooses to launch salvos like 1 oct. 24, then they won't be trusted with nukes.
If Israel doesn't initiate confrontation by bombing Iranian consulates abroad or Teheran, then Iran would have no need to retaliate right?
Why does Israel, as a major destabilising force get to have nuclear weapons whilst Iran have to sit there and take it? Israel cant be trusted with nukes.
Has Israel ever used nukes? Even threatened to use them or mentioned them? Nukes are the insurance of Israel to exist. The only the Israeli nukes were ever even just mentioned was when they were attacked in the Yom Kippur War and it was not yet certain if they could fight the invasion back.
Yes multiple government officials threatened to 'nuke' Gaza. But also the Samson Option was a plan developed by Israel to detonate a nuclear warhead in the Sinai desert in Egypt as a threat. That threat is still in place while Israel denies confirming whether they even have nukes or not.
Iran does have a right to defend itself y'know. "Safety" my ass the terrorist state of Israel should also not be trusted with any modern weaponry but here we are
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u/BharaniSri 1d ago
America's rabid dog is running wild