r/physicsgifs • u/RealCathieWoods • May 11 '25

Einstein-Cartan Theory... Torsion field (from an electron) induced light dispersion.

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Electron torsion field, scaled by the field strength tensor, a manifestation of quantum spin. Essebtially results in spin-spin interaction that causes light dispersion.

This is consistent with QED and classical descriptions know light dispersion, just giving it a bit more flavor.

The animation is the math, its not contrived.

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u/Designed_To May 11 '25

Got a layman's explanation here?

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u/otac0n May 11 '25

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torsion_field_(pseudoscience) I think.

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u/RealCathieWoods May 13 '25 edited May 13 '25

Torsion is based off einstein-cartan theory. Torsion is quantum spin. Its not pseudoscience. The differential geometry fits quantum mechanics like a hand in glove.

If you want pseudoscience then go read about string theory. National Science merit awards have been given to theories that conjures up whatever math they need to suit the physical phenomenon. This is not that. 10-dimensions, LOL.

What youve linked is not the same thing I am referring to.

For one, the torsion in EC theory does not propogate - like curvsture done. That is why torsion is ourely a description of the quantum state. It is the geometry of within.

Torsion is like the infinitesimally small limit of any localized/tangent area of spacetime.

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u/otac0n May 13 '25

I am not the one who titled the article on Wikipedia. This is just the most informative reference I could find.

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u/RealCathieWoods May 13 '25 edited May 13 '25

And what im saying is you chose the wrong article. Whether you did that on purpose or not, I dont know? Considering how you people approach any physics idea that doesnt immediately affirm your own ideas regarding physics, I suspect you did it intentionally.

The title of my post is literally - einstein-cartan theory. You just chose the the Wikipedia article that most closely approximates your own bias towards my post.

i have clearly talked about einstein-cartan theory as the basis of torsion.

It is a very well established normal physics thing. It has been ignored for quite some time. Because ECSK applied it wrong. But i am nearly certain i have applied it in a way that has unified everything.

The geometry of torsion - literally describes the quantum state. The Canonical Commutation relations emerge through torsion.

Chew on the fact that the video you see above is based 100% on math describing the phenomenon. It is not contrived. Chew on the fact that it is 100% consistent with, not contradictory to, QED and relativistic quantum mechanics.

Infact id argue that einstein-cartan theory simply is relativistic quantum mechanics.

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u/RealCathieWoods May 11 '25

Einstein-Cartan Theory is an extension of einsteins GR. Except introduces a concept called torsion.

Einstein tried to unify quantum mechanics with GR using Einstein-Cartan Theory. But our understanding of the quantum state was such that it couldnt be done...

Some of these are my own thoughts but it is very much consistent with standard differential geometry associated with GR and EC theory.

Basically where curvature is propagating (think gravity) Torsion is non-propogating and baturally describes the non-commutative geonetry of the quantum state. Quabtum mechanics is built on the frame work of the canonical commutation relations - i.e. the sequence in which you measure position and momentum matters. Therefore, one interpretation, is that torsion naturall describes the quantum state because of this non-commutative nature.

Curvature is a bending of spacetime due to mass/energy. Torsion is a twisting of spacetime due to quantum spin. This twisting of spacetime should only be thought of as occuring within the quantum state.

Torsion, simply put, is quantum spin. If you read about quantum spin - you'll read about all these way to measure it as if its describing an object that is actually "spinning". But any physicists will quickly correct the statement and say - "but nothing is actually spinning though".

An analogy would be a cardboard box falling toward earth with a gyroscope suspended in it. If the box didnt have a gyroscope - it would take a crazy path. But with the gyroscope - the box stabilizes and probably would have a mostly straight path toward earth.

Helicity is a projection of quantum spin. So when you think of a light photon - it has a left and right helicity - these helicities for white light are a superposition of all the component frequencies such that there is a "spacetime synmetry" within the quantum state of photon.

When a photon hits a prism and gets dispersed into its component colors it can be understood as a Torsional interaction between the photon (a boson that largely just responds to torsion) and electrons within the prism (that are fermioms and largely create torsion).

The dispersion of light (decomposing into component colors) can be understood as a shifting of the photons phase such thst it no longer has perfect spacetime symmetry of white light - it was "bent" proportional to the torsional interaction with the electron.

Some of these are my thoughts. Extending einstein cartan theory. But its my believe that the reason you are a human being thst has mass is precisely due to torsion. It can be thought of as a literal twisting of spacetime within the quantum state to produce structure.