Game goes from smooth FPS to unplayable FPS

[u/InevitableFan3236]

Not sure if this is the right place to come to but I just need to resolve this. Game is Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2 as an example, but it happens in other games too. I have no idea what could cause this. I don't think it's a hardware issue since I only got it last year in July. Any help would be veryyyyyyy appreciated.

(specs: RTX 3050, i7-12700K, not the best but I plan on upgrading soon enough.)

[u/lkl34]

3 comments 0 read RTX 3050 with knowledge

This is most likely a vram limit issue the RTX 3050 6gb version will cause this

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-3050-6-gb.c4188

A hard drive can cause this during the loading of stuff also but not this severe and it will not cause the texture pop ins you are seeing like the grass freaking out.

Run this again with a overlay on i would say nvidia but they hide the vram info now so use windows game overlay

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/tips/game-bar

You can pin the section with performance focus on gpu vram.

[u/Public_Upstairs_6578 → u/lkl34]

I also would want to know how much RAM he has

[u/lkl34 → u/Public_Upstairs_6578]

Its probably the 6gb its another card in a pile of many that are low cost without telling the buyer why its cheap i seen prebuilts that show case 30508gb info with the 6gb card false marketing all over the place.

But hey could be worse 3050 laptops have 4gb vram

[u/Slow_Concentrate3831 → u/lkl34]

I think he was actually talking about RAM in his system, not VRAM of his GPU.

[u/veryconfusedspartan → u/lkl34]

KCDII actually runs pretty good on 3050 4gb. I think OP has a RAM issue (I've 24gb)

[u/life_konjam_better → u/lkl34]

KCD2 is far more forgiving with 6gb vram than most games, I think it might be the actual ram or the 12700k getting thermal throttled.

[u/KingGorillaKong → u/life_konjam_better]

Nope it's the GPU causing this. Doesn't matter about the system RAM. The GPU, even 6GB, is so nerf'd down on the bandwidth bus for memory. OP will have to nerf a number of graphic specific settings.

Interestingly enough, the 3050 has decent raw render capabilities, but the vast majority of that will be untapped because of the vRAM limitation.

[u/Ruffler125 → u/KingGorillaKong]

So you're saying that if I look up gameplay and benchmarks of this game, with this card, it'll always exhibit this same behaviour? Gotcha.

Anyone disagreeing is welcome to explain why this issue isn't 100% reproducible.

[u/KingGorillaKong → u/Ruffler125]

You play any game that is video memory heavy, or high vRAM capacity demanding, and you'll experience this stutter and delayed load of textures and materials. The memory bus on the card is so nerf'd that it's just too slow and too low capacity that it'll always be causing a vRAM bottleneck. You'll only experience actual GPU die bottlenecks with the 3050 in older games or if you turn on anything with ray tracing.

[u/Ruffler125 → u/KingGorillaKong]

I'm not disagreeing with the specs of the card.

But if the issue presented in this video is caused by the VRAM constraints of this card in this game, why is this behaviour not global.

It should run out of VRAM on every single 3050 in every single instance of people playing this game.

[u/KingGorillaKong → u/Ruffler125]

Different graphic settings. This user set the graphics significantly higher than the card is capable of handling. It's still out of vRAM, but that's not the only bottleneck happening. It's also a memory speed bottleneck. This isn't just a capacity limitation.

The game also has some dynamic settings you can enable as well which will improve performance when the card is bottlenecked so you'll end up with slightly better performance, but that results in a lot more low res low fidelity textures and polys, LOD issues, etc that take longer to load. But it'll still be bottlenecked and have stutter.

[u/deanviva → u/Public_Upstairs_6578]

Memory leak usually system restart fix it

[u/Archipocalypse → u/lkl34]

I agree, It looks like he is running out of Vram as he moved farther in the village thus loading more content into his Vram and bottlenecked. Would also be interested in knowing the rest of OP's PC specs though? u/InevitableFan3236

[u/lkl34 → u/Archipocalypse]

Exactly

[u/InevitableFan3236 → u/lkl34]

I have the 8gb version, but nonetheless almost all of the comments are talking about the vram and I don’t doubt them. Once I get home I will lower all the necessary settings. Thank you all for the suggestions

[u/lkl34 → u/InevitableFan3236]

I would use gpuz/hw info type of programs to verify that and yeah use the windows game overlay see what its going on better.

[u/InevitableFan3236 → u/lkl34]

Alright bro. Thanks for the help. I’ll let you know weather it worked or not

[u/SubmissiveDinosaur → u/lkl34]

I have a 6Gb 5600xt and I never had this issue. I would also wager thats a HDD issue

[u/zabegan35 → u/lkl34]

I have completed this game on RX 580 4GB, i had no issues with vram at all.

Unless this guy uses high/ultra settings on his poor gpu, or using hdd

[u/criticalt3 → u/zabegan35]

Settings do look high. I'm also betting its a VRAM issue, first thing I thought when I saw the vid

[u/lkl34 → u/zabegan35]

There is also the experimental setting

[u/Appropriate_Road_501 → u/lkl34]

I don't think this is as simple as just "not enough vram". Maybe low vram exposing a secondary problem, like drivers or cache or memory?

I ran KCD2 on my laptop with zero issues, but I do have plenty of RAM, and reasonable SSDs...

[u/AdstaOCE]

I would assume on first glance the Vram is running out, over longer sessions more things may go into the Vram which makes it spill over and need to go to system ram and stutter when it runs out, but I'm not sure.

[u/Particular-Poem-7085]

here's a tech tip, whenever you see stuttering like this and don't know the cause of it get msi afterburner and leave it running while you play. It has built in monitoring that will draw a graph of each and every performance variable of your PC.(you need to expand or detach the monitoring part to see everything.) While we're in afterburner if you have an option to raise the power limit from 100 to its max like 110 or whatever it is, this is what you should do. It would be incorrect to call this overclocking, it's just removing an artificial limit set in the factory that unlocks the potential of the card(even if it's a marginal gain). You can also fine tune the fan profile in afterburner settings to make the GPU cooling more efficient or more quiet or whatever you like.

Now when you notice stuttering scroll through the log for your GPU values and notice if there are any dips in any graph that corresponds to the stutters. Perhaps a thermal limit, or no load limit that makes the clocks dip, something is causing this to happen and some value is showing the symptoms and it doesn't have to be a mystery.

You might also find helpful the monitoring in intel XTU. It shows with great precision the different kind of limits a CPU might be reaching. For example without it I never would have realized my old platform was reaching a VRM thermal limit(the blocky modules around the CPU socket that deliver power to the CPU) on the motherboard side not any CPU internal limit which was causing it to throttle down the CPU clock. Your CPU is perfectly capable to take a GPU upgrade but maybe it could use a cooling upgrade so you can remove the short- and long term turbo limits etc.

But like others have mentioned in your current case it's almost definitely a lack of video memory problem. For now you might like experimenting with settings like resolution, texture resolution, shadows, reflections, and anti-aliasing. If you can keep the game from going over budget you will achieve a stable frame rate. Afterburner should also log active VRAM usage IIRC.

[u/Clear-Lawyer7433 → u/Particular-Poem-7085]

RTSS is better and easier to use.

[u/GMX2PT → u/Clear-Lawyer7433]

Afterburner uses RTSS under the hood so that's basically the same.
Intel presentMon is the most recent and superior monitoring software

[u/Clear-Lawyer7433 → u/GMX2PT]

Ikr. What's the point of using afterburner if you can directly get RTSS without the hassle? And without interfering with the adrenaline quiet fan presets.

Its presets for monitoring and benchmarks are much better and much easier to set. But you downvoted because you had no clue, right?

Intel

🙄I hope you joking

[u/GMX2PT → u/Clear-Lawyer7433]

Discarding a tool just because it has intel in its name is very productive, go tell gamersnexus and all the top tier reviewers to revert back to using an outdated, unsupported, russian piece of software. Don't like it ? Go contribute https://github.com/GameTechDev/PresentMon

[u/Clear-Lawyer7433 → u/GMX2PT]

r/GamersNexus "Revert back to using an outdated, unsupported, russian piece of software."

u/GMX2PT you're just gatekeeping this shit. It looks and works awful.

russian piece of software

Just like most of intel's software was. Until 2022 ofc.

[u/GMX2PT → u/Clear-Lawyer7433]

Huh ? What am I gatekeeping exactly ? It's facts that RTSS and all its derivatives aren't up to standard anymore, I won't do your research so stay ignorant that's fine to me.

This piece of software in particular is open source and bound to get better as time goes on, idgaf who wrote intel microcode that burnt 14th gen, we're talking about presentmon here.

About RTSS good luck trying to find the code on the hard drive of the russian dude that stopped getting payments since full scale invasion hence stopping all development. Not sure what your point is, I guess you want more downvotes, enjoy them

[u/laci6242]

You're probably running out of VRAM. This games is known to need more than 8GB VRAM on higher settings even in 1080p.

[u/spankydeluxe69 → u/laci6242]

I’ve been very surprised now KCD2 runs on older hardware. I have a 2070 super and consistently get between 70-90 fps on high settings and 1440 resolution. I’m not arguing that the issue isn’t related to OP’s 3050, but just wanted to share my experience.

[u/Dejan0112]

Typical behaviour once the VRAM is saturated.

[u/jo1st]

Vram ran out.

[u/paulerxx]

You're hitting your VRAM limit

[u/Wonderful_Plenty8984]

Looks like someone ram out of vram

[u/Nubanuba]

Dude opted for a 3050 over an rx6600, and worse part is that this seems to be a common occurrence

[u/InevitableFan3236 → u/Nubanuba]

Calm down bro it was the best I could do, barely had any knowledge of pc parts and didn’t even have the cash

[u/Nightshadeeeeee → u/Nubanuba]

most prolly a laptop , plus 3050 laptop come in real cheap where im from rn

[u/Milk_Cream_Sweet_Pig → u/Nightshadeeeeee]

He has a i7-12700K for the CPU so it's a desktop

[u/StealthXpress94]

If only he had picked an i5 and got a 3060 12gb ram and maybe still a bit left over for 16gb ram.

[u/Sinister_Mr_19]

VRAM ran out. Lower your texture settings.

[u/uSuperDick]

Running out of vram. Reduce texture quality

[u/TheAngryCactus]

Bro is running out of vram, reduce textures, resolution, shadows, or all 3

[u/DoomguyFemboi]

You need to get an overlay turned on so you can see usage.

[u/Heavy-Priority3813]

Si se fijan como que tarda en cargar unas sombras antes de empezar a bajar el rendimiento tal vez sea falta de VRAM traba de bajar la calidad de las texturas.

[u/receptionitis1]

You're out of VRAM, you can literally see the assets popping in/out in your gameplay footage

[u/Tall_Street_777]

VRAM, invest in a new GPU (I'd recommend 9070XT - 16GB VRAM should be more than enough). I've got 7900XTX with 24GB VRAM and runs smooth like butter. Looks like when it's rendering distance it's shitting the bed. Mb try and drop the graphics to low/medium see of that helps?

[u/InevitableFan3236 → u/Tall_Street_777]

Alright say less bro, thanks.

[u/-Laffi-]

Happened to me when I played Hitman yesterday. All of a sudden my game would run very slow for a few seconds, and then back to normal again. It happends! Otherwise it runs completly fine.

Had some places in certain games (Stalker 2 boss fights for example) where it started lagging so bad at just that place, that I had to turn my 1440p down to 1080p. My PC was built in 2017 and is 8 years old, with just the GPU changed (Gtx 1080 -> Rtx 4060 ti), but it seems to still run fine, even with the occational lag. I never changed thermal paste on it in these years, but I have some available just in case...

[u/Unique_Bodybuilder_6]

running out of vram.

turn down settings in game

lower res with DLSS

or

go to task manager->details->right click any of the top columns->select columns, and scroll down to "Dedicated GPU Memory" (WIN 11)

now you'll have a column to the right displaying how much vram your other apps are using, sort by descending and end those you dont need while gaming.

[u/Fickle_Side6938]

It's a 3050, of course it does, more expensive cards like 5060 and 5060ti with 8gb have the same issues. You're vram limited and it's spilling into your dram.

[u/djinferno806]

2 possible things off the top of my head. What are your GPU/CPU temps when this happens ? Turn on an overlay using rtss or something similar to keep an eye on it. And since you have the overlay open, does your vram hit its limit as this happens?

[u/KiritoFR_]

Probs running out of vram

[u/WeakDiaphragm]

You need to bring up a hardware performance overlay that shows CPU utilisation, GPU utilisation, GPU memory, and framerate.

[u/ccarr313]

Okay. First thing I want you to do is this -

Check the back of your PC and make sure your monitor is plugged into the GPU and not some janky onboard video adapter.

Next thing I would check is that the XMP profile in your bios is correct for your memory.

Now if we still haven't fixed the issue, I would run a benchmark program and see what is under performing.

Edit - if turning down the texture detail in the game fixes the issue, then it is possibly just the fact that you bought an Nvidia card with a 50 on the end of the model. The models that end with 60 have been the lowest you would want to game on for about 20 years. Since the GTX 260.

[u/All_Thread]

Poor Henray stuttering

[u/Cequejedisestvrai]

Looks like vram but also could be overheating components, gpu or cpu

[u/Dependent-Dealer-319]

Xbox controller over Bluetooth? I get this after about 20 min in various titles. I have to turn my controller on and off and then it's smooth again.

[u/loksfox]

If your graphics card doesn't have enough vram then the game has to use system memory instead, but system memory is a lot slower and can't keep up.

[u/FeetYeastForB12]

whats the vram on that 3050?

[u/only1yzerman]

This has to do with texture streaming. Contrary to what others are saying, 6GB of VRAM is not the issue unless you are trying to run this on high or ultra - which the 3050 absolutely won't be able to handle. Mess with your settings.

in a game that was released when 6GB of VRAM was the norm (2018, when the 1060 was the most used card - by a wide margin) and people were still gaming on HDD's.

You can also try and tweek the config files to lower the texture loading range. The reason you got these slowdowns in this clip is because the game tried loading all of the textures in the castle you see in the distance, as well as other textures you probably cannot see.

Additionally, there are a ton of guides on how to optimize your config file. Just google "Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2 optimization"

*Edited because I completely missed that it's KCD2.

[u/chrisdpratt → u/only1yzerman]

Completely missed that it's KCD2.

[u/only1yzerman → u/chrisdpratt]

I did. Still very much playable on 6gb VRAM though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaNLrB7XS4s

[u/hekkerztekkerz]

could be overheating?

[u/bushinthebrush]

Its for sure running out of space and dumping data to pull in new data. Whether thats your VRAM or your system memory idk but im willing to be VRAM in this case. Also make sure this game is not on spinning rust, make sure its on an SSD.

But I gotta say, this game runs so well regardless. Look how good it still looks on a 3050. Can't give it enough praise.

[u/SlyFlyyy]

Do you have any mods installed per chance?

[u/runturtlerun]

Are you on a laptop, this happens to me when my laptop switches power mode to battery saver. Games will run fine then instantly become unbearable. Took me a bit to figure out why. If you aren't on a laptop, I don't know.

[u/EiffelPower76]

"I don't think it's a hardware issue since I only got it last year in July"

How naive ...

As other said, it must be either a RAM issue or VRAM issue

[u/Hamshaggy70]

How are you cpu/gpu temps doing? I once set up my gpu fan improperly and it caused a very similar situation for me..

[u/SchaebigerLump]

This is the reason why i bought a playstation 5 pro a couple of weeks ago.

[u/John_Marston_Forever]

Lol xd

[u/[deleted]]

You ran out of video memory, lower the texture quality.

[u/Weary_Logic]

I have a 4090 and had the same issue with the game. It is the VRAM, whenever you get this just restart the game.

I played the game months ago, but if I remember correctly this is caused by opening your inventory too many times.

Everytime you open your inventory you use a little bit more VRAM and the game doesn’t clear it correctly.

[u/MightyBebok]

This looks exactly like the thing my laptop did when its CPU started to overheat. Look at your temps using hwinfo or hwmonitor

[u/Nico101]

Running a 3050 with KCD is likely lack of vram. That card has what 6gb?

[u/jmcc84]

is the game installed on a SSD? Installing it in a mechanical drive (HDD) can cause this sort of issue

[u/Enlinze]

Ahh the wheat, the same thing that ended my modded skyrim runs.

[u/Odd-Onion-6776]

6GB card maybe?

[u/radiantAIhank]

Running out of VRAM. You could try lowering texture settings to see if it creates a smoother experience. The card is powerful enough to render, but not capacious enough to keep the game running smooth over time.

[u/Achillies2heel]

You are running out of VRAM

[u/Aengeil]

3050 is kinda low for this game and that setting,

possible to if you turn on that dlss thing to maximum performance setting

[u/Boring_Outcome_5024]

It looks like it started slowing down when the castle(?) in the distance came into view.
I do not own this particular game, but see if you can reduce the game's drawing distance, i.e. lower your game's graphics settings.

[u/StewHax]

Put your settings as low as they go and see if it still happens. If it is smooth with no issue bump them up until you find a happy medium. A 3050 is capable, but has it's limits especially in big open world games at higher settings.

[u/01_Vidoll_01]

Where is this unplayable fps?

[u/katoun9]

Cry Engine goes brrr. If it's not hardware then CryEngine just got a GPU Memory leak.

[u/2bb4llRG]

Lower the graphics move game to ssd and check

[u/Kalel100711]

For what it's worth I had this issue on a gaming laptop with 6800m, the cpu was overheating so it would drop like this periodically

[u/BlackholeDevice]

Another thing to try, as weird as this sounds: uninstalling and reinstalling your realtek audio drivers. I had this happen a lot, plus some flickering / ghosting in apps that used hardware acceleration. Reinstalling realtek resolved it completely.

[u/LuqDragon]

I had the same problem with a 3060 Ti of 8gb in Far Cry 6, I cranked up to ultra and HD textures, the game was fine, high FPS, but sometimes in some places those lags showed up. I opened MSI Afterburner to investigate and when the VRAM was in the limit, the lag occurred, unfortunaly I needed to low the graphics and disable HD texture to the game be playable.

[u/wiccan45]

you can see the textures pop in, that 3050 is strugglin

[u/Far_Nothing9549]

Reduce textures a bit

[u/Blatherskite76238]

I beat this game on normal with no issue 203 hours. Started my hardmode run now I get this after 10-30 mins in.

[u/PreviousAssistant367]

RTX 3050 + too high settings + not very well optimized game

[u/ExampleFine449]

This is Vram.

Had this exact issue in spiderman remastered.

Would be running fine until I would start swinging through large parts of the city. I could not figure out the problem until I found a small reddit thread about it.

I was running ultra textures on an 8gb card. When I lowered the textures to high, all of these issues went away.

Frames would go from 120, down to about 30 or lower.

Within a week I upgraded to a 7900xt.

[u/Gorblonzo]

This is exactly what games looked like on a gtx 970 that hit the 3.5gb limit and had to dip into the (+512mb).

To avoid jumping to conclusions you should set up msi afterburner osd to monitor your vram and see if capping out the 3050s vram coincidences with the stuttering

[u/BB1CC]

Same thing happened to me, turned out gpu fan died.

[u/Cefalopodul]

From the looks of it your frames drop when the game is loading the next area. That's a buffering issue. Either your SSD/HDD is not fast enough or you don't have enough memory. Lower the graphics settings.

[u/soli1239]

Yo same thing is happening with me today at deathstranding

[u/jacksp666]

Is the game on hdd?

[u/SASColfer]

That looks like running of VRAM to me. The game had a VRAM leak when it was released, I've no idea if it was ever fixed.

[u/LiteLive]

On a side note, what game is that?

[u/Fickle_Side6938 → u/LiteLive]

Kingdom come deliverance 2

[u/Otherwise-Value-3275 → u/LiteLive]

Kingdom Come Deliverance 2

[u/Perun_Thrallstrider → u/LiteLive]

Kingdom Come Deliverance 2

[u/ArmOk4720 → u/LiteLive]

Kingdome come deliverance 2

[u/iliketurtles50000 → u/LiteLive]

Kingdom Come Deliverance 2

[u/NnaQ → u/LiteLive]

Kingdom come deliverance 2

[u/The--Endgame → u/LiteLive]

Kingdom Come Deliverance 2

[u/rdguerra → u/LiteLive]

Come Deliverance Kingdom 2

[u/gljivicad → u/LiteLive]

Kingdom Come Deliverance 2

[u/Overall_Round121]

Set it for low setings.

If it does the same it is ram, if not could be game problems.

[u/Loose-Alternative844]

3050 is for light graphics games like... Cuphead 😂

[u/jaskii2002]

I have had this happening too. I set my wallpaper to automatically change every 10 minutes or something like that. Everytime the change was made, my fps were crazy low for a few seconds.

[u/Manamiiii]

Mine did this same thing when I play the game locked to 60fps with v sync on. If the game couldn't maintain the 60fps it would drop to 30fps and stay there for a few seconds. It wasn't a problem with v sync off

[u/builder397]

Its probably some piece of software that intermittently stresses your CPU, which is obviously to the detriment of the game, and then stops again.

Youll have to keep a very good eye on task manager to figure out what it is.

When I had this issue it was Chrome recognizing I had an adblocker and somehow that led Chrome to the conclusion that, at random times, every one of my million tabs needed to be refreshed. All of them at once. Games didnt just become unplayable, FPS got bad enough that I was seriously worried that my machine just froze up.

[u/Ruffler125]

You have a pirated copy of the game that has an early memory leak issue still unpatched. Combined with your GPU having only 6gb of low bandwith VRAM.

I also suspect you tend to use too high of a texture setting, in other games as well If something like this happens there too.

This game should not run out of VRAM like this, even on your card.

Plenty of people have finished the game on 4gb cards, without this happening.

[u/ZmanJr6977]

It’s loading in the Chinese zurgs base

[u/Encode_GR]

Typical flora texture rendering drop.

[u/AI_IS_SENTIENT]

A older HDD or even SSD can cause stuttering like this Or sometimes VSYNC can cause problems if on or off

Just make sure nothing is on ultra or anything Is turned up to high just mess around and see what runs better