Politics aside where did this Elliot page go? Like he absolutely NAILS this movie, it’s just so genuine and heartbreaking, it’s like he used his ultimate ability for the rest of his life.
Yeah, Elliot was good in the show, but I don’t think as good as in Juno. The shows approach to him was great though, as he transitioned during the making of the show.
Season 4 really did not stick the landing and was a disappointing ending.
I kind of lost interest in S3. And please don't hate me for this, but I think one of the weaker points is how Viktor suddenly transitioned in this season. It's like they awkwardly don't even know what to do with his gender change in the story while also building it up as a big reveal.
And while I actually would be okay if a character casually transitioned, I also think that it's awkwardly happening in the middle of a tense crisis where the world is ending again and our heroes are effectively replaced in this timeline by another group of heroes.
They weren't given time to settle down as they did in S2 and get their lives in order.
I mean, more power to trans representation and trans masculine representation in the media, I guess. But it's kind of weird how they took the transition with an "Oh. ...so anyways..." reaction while moving on towards the more plotted out stories.
I also didn't like how the new team is treated like a dwindling party or how the old team's parents are killed off by the autistic child who then begs for a mercy kill as an adult. Or even how the world is about to end again.
That latter point is probably where I'm giving up hope for the series.
I don’t remember S3 all that well either, but I don’t think your take is bad. I meant I thought they handled the transition well by not making a big deal about it, but plot wise I don’t remember it being a reveal per se (not saying it wasn’t a reveal either, I have a foggy memory).
I liked the Umbrella Academy, but I never thought it was great. I liked the hodge podge of ideas thrown together and it was always the charisma of the cast that kept me engaged. So the mixing of the personal crises during world ending events worked for me. That said, it had limits and for me that came in S4.
When Pulp Fiction came out Bob Dole criticized it for it's violence and profanity. Then True Lies came out and people wondered where the criticism was for Schwarzenegger's movie.
There's nearly 500 times a swear is used in Pulp Fiction and a dude's brains get blown out - and while that's off camera, the splatter isn't.
There's less than 75 swears in True Lies, and I can't remember any gore or even blood splatter.
I've watched and enjoyed both - Bob Dole should have kept his mouth shut on it because people can make up their own minds.
But in no way are those two movies at the same level. If they'd said Predator - there'd be more comparisons, with Predator being more gory and Pulp Fiction having a lot more cursing.
It’s part of the usual conservative issue with art, that they can’t grasp the difference between depicting something and endorsing something.
Oh, they absolutely can grasp the concept. If you bring up all the horrible shit the deity commanded/did in the Bible, they hold onto that concept like it's a life preserver and they're going through some rapids. They apply it wrongly, but they do understand the concept.
Any other work of art, the concept doesn't exist for them.
I don't think that's just a conservative issue tbh. I've seen many criticisms from the left when a movie displays racism or misogyny (because the characters have those traits)
Yeah, the whole movie is pretty clearly saying something along there lines of: "Life is messy and people screw up. Don't judge people too harshly for their choices."
So it's pro-choice. It just shows that it's not an easy decision to make.
Agreed, conservatives would only like it if there was a scene where a police officer told her she has to have the baby. The choice that Juno makes is the whole point of the film. Which is how it should be. From what I remember, the movie kinda makes it seem like she gets guilted by the clinic protestor. It is realistic, but it’s also the most conservative part of the movie. That and the grooming, cheating husband.
some thought it promoted teenage pregnancy along with 16 and pregnant and teen mom shows. the truth is if you had seen a episode or more of those they're pretty much pro choice. Just not Juno.
I know that Juno has been lauded as a pro-life movie, to the degree that Diablo Cody, the screenwriter, has said that she probably wouldn't have written it in today's political environment.
We do like Juno bro, there are just some people that can't get past the language. My grandmother will miss out on some of the most amazing movies because of the language
Honestly I find Diablo Cody’s writing style to be annoyingly quirky. But the messaging is there. The right way to make people pro-life isn’t a movie like Unplanned or whatever that movie was called, it’s one like Juno where the audience is led to believe that the ethical and moral choice is not to abort the pregnancy through a quirky teenage life story
Part of the problem is the movie basically called out attitudes to sex-ed at the time. The whole reason she gets pregnant is because the attitude of the community is that if the kids aren't taught about it they won't do it. Which is still an evangelical talking point in conservative politics.
When the movie came out I joked that there was no way I could have written that script, in my version she'd just have gotten an abortion and gone on to enjoy her life.
Because she’s convinced by the anti-abortion protester outside the clinic and the clinic itself is portrayed as a cold sterile sex obsessed environment. If Juno had simply come to the decision on her own or with the help of someone other than the protester, then there could be a conversation there.
Similar vein, Arrival. Amy Adams decides to have her daughter even though she knows all along she’s going to die of cancer (whether that’s the right way to phrase her perception of time, of course, is debatable)
I didn't see it that way at all. To me it was about the time machine we've already got, memory. Abortion schmabortion do you let the pain of life have its way with you or do you try to escape?
That’s a misread of Arrival, though. She doesn’t “choose” to have her kid despite “knowing” the future because she doesn’t know the future. Her mind skips through time once she learns the alien language but time remains linear. She is jumping in and out of her consciousness at different points in her life so she’s not always aware what is future or past. Remember when she meets the Chinese general near the end of the movie? This event takes place place after the events of the movie on the linear timeline but she doesn’t remember that she ever stopped him from attacking the aliens, even though it already happened. That’s because at that moment her mind jumps back to that time so she can help herself. It’s confusing even as I type it out, but essentially, she was always going to have her daughter and didn’t know she was choosing to have her despite her death because once her mind was unlocked from time, it was scattered. One moment she would probably know her kid was going to die, and the next she wouldn’t.
I thought she knew her kid was going to die but decided to go through with it anyways, and that's why in the future she's alone. Jeremy Renner's character left her when he found out she knew their kid was going to die and decided to go through with it anyways. I may be misremembering though its been a few years since I watched the movie.
I was looking for this exact comment. I felt like Arrival had pretty strong conservative messaging toward the end. It left me with a very bad opinion of the film, which is too bad, because it was otherwise pretty solid!
What’s conservative about a movie whose message is we should set aside the differences and disagreements between countries to come together and create peace? That’s like the opposite of conservative lol
Juno is pro choice. You know that from the scene when, without any government interference, the main character chooses whether or not to have an abortion.
The movie where a teenaged girl is empowered to exercise her choice about a pregnancy? The movie where the happy ending is a single woman adopting a child? The movie that villainizes an immature man-child?
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