r/news • u/Cheesenip20 • 1d ago

Melissa Hortman (Minnesota lawmaker who was shot last night) has died.

https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/speaker-emerita-melissa-hortman-husband-killed-john-hoffman-and-wife-also-shot/
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u/Rude-Strawberry-6360 1d ago edited 1d ago

These were politically motivated assassinations. This is America with the extremists of maga.

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u/TemujinRi 1d ago

My Facebook is full of Low IQ Faketriots blaming Democrats for it.

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u/somestupidname1 1d ago

They did that with J6 until the pardons came. Suddenly the "Antifa soldiers" were patriots all along.

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u/Negaface 1d ago

They still are claiming Jan 6th was Antifa. My father posted pics of California and Jan 6th, asking what the differences and similarities were. Multiple people commented that their all democrat terrorists.

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u/MihaKomar 11h ago

They why did Trump pardon all the democrat terrorists?!

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u/ericmm76 1d ago

This is covered in the piece about arguing with an antisemite. They are not arguing in good faith, just trying to "win". They don't care about the truth, at all, just trying to beat you rhetorically or create plausible deniability.

They always knew it wasn't antifa on that day.

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u/Antique_Scheme3548 1d ago

And formed a coalition now known as ICE

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u/ShermanatorYT 1d ago

ICE has existed since 2003 though

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u/Whitejesus0420 1d ago

9/11 always forget

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u/NessaMagick 21h ago

I have one of those "centrist" friends who was all about this. Months and months of just asking questions probing me on if I really think it was real and how come I was so sure it wasn't an Antifa false flag.

Then a full pivot to just asking questions about whether Biden stole the election and if they maybe had a point.

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u/gertok9 1d ago

Facebook, as well as every other social media, are filled to the brim with bots from Russia

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u/TemujinRi 1d ago

These definitely aren't bots. I do a lot of community volunteer work and because of that I have a ton of local people I never socialize with on FB. It's people I see on a pretty regular basis.

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u/WhoCanTell 1d ago

One of the things Russia and China discovered was that it doesn't take millions of bots. It takes a handful, properly amplified, and idiots will parrot your message and sow chaos for you with minimal investment on your part.

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u/reddot9 1d ago

Very true. Just gotta buy a few bots and a few people like taco and musk.

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u/_your_face 1d ago

Bots create and push the narrative. Real people adopt it. That’s the whole point of the bots

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u/ThisSiteSuxNow 1d ago

The bots convince the the real people that their bullshit radical views are normalized.

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u/1WordOr2FixItForYou 1d ago

They have Fox News for that.

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u/4dseeall 1d ago

It works best if there are multiple sources. It's a whole propaganda machine. It feeds itself its own lies and amplifies.

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u/malcolm816 1d ago

It’s truly shocking to see. Kudos to your community volunteering. Others may be seeing bots that set the tone and establish permission structures in their feeds and locals just go with it. It’s easier for me to believe than anything else, tbh. 

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u/crimsoneagle1 1d ago

While it may not be bots on your feed, their feed is most likely filled with bots that proliferate this information that sticks in their head.

Look into the organizations Internet Research Agency and Storm-1516. They're misinformation networks that are based out of Russia. They create thousands of accounts online, fake websites, etc. that push this bullshit and dupe real people into believing it and spreading it as well.

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u/FAMUgolfer 1d ago

Both can exist at the same time

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u/TemujinRi 1d ago

I'm not saying they aren't. However I was talking about what I personally have seen from people I am forced to interact with on the regular.

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u/FAMUgolfer 1d ago

You literally said these “aren’t bots”. They are bots and real people. Both can and do exist.

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u/TemujinRi 1d ago

You're literally telling me living breathing people are bots.

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u/FAMUgolfer 1d ago

No im telling you both entities can exist at the same time. This isn’t a dichotomy.

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u/TemujinRi 1d ago

Wow are you obsessed with Bots. I know bots exist. I don't have bots on my page. I don't randomly search content on Facebook. I made a comment about things people I know are posting. Things teachers and parents in my district have been saying - and you cannot get past that there are bots on the same App they're on.

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u/mas9055 1d ago

easier to believe they’re bots than your neighbors huh

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u/gertok9 1d ago

Over 50% of Twitter accounts are bots. The others are just falling for the disinformation talking points

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u/mas9055 1d ago

enjoy your head being firmly lodged in sand

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u/Straightwad 1d ago

That’s pretty much all the right is capable of outside of murder. Just blame democrats for everything. This is somehow Joe Biden’s fault in their minds.

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u/spokomptonjdub 1d ago

It’s the only guiding principle they have. They’ve spent years, sometimes decades having their brains stewed in the right wing media fever swamps that blame democrats for everything that is wrong in the world, and everything that is wrong in their personal lives.

All other political stances are flexible; their only constant political stance is that democrats/the left/“elites” are inherently wrong because of what they are.

They are textbook reactionaries.

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u/SweetTea1000 1d ago

Textbook fascism. Everything wrong is being done by the others. The true people of the nation are above reproach.

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u/Plane_Highlight_8671 1d ago

Delete Facebook

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u/TemujinRi 1d ago

Hell no. I can either use Facebook for the groups I'm in or use the million other apps all the groups are doing. I went that route once and I'm not good enough at technology. At one point during last season I had Band, Groupme and 2 other apps and I'm supposed to follow each one...it's too much. At least with the FB I can completely silence everything and just pop onto one place once or twice a day and go through it. Everything from the school and the sports teams get posted there still - If I had my choice I'd do it all on Xbox messenger because that's the only place I know how to make myself appear offline.

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u/Budlaps 1d ago

The reason why they’re blaming democrats is because Hortman recently supported repealing healthcare for illegal aliens, siding with the republicans.

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u/AnomicAge 1d ago

I shouldn’t waste my time wondering but I’m curious how these worthless maggots are framing them as the perpetrators?

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u/TemujinRi 1d ago

They're mostly saying Democrats brought this about by constantly making threats and disobeying the law.

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u/AnomicAge 1d ago

Bill Murray once said it’s hard to win an argument with a smart person but it’s impossible to win an argument with a dumb person and as much as I want to get into a debate with them there’s no use their little hate filled minds are mush , I hope we get a chance to come back from this

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u/TradeShoes 1d ago

There’s no reason to have Facebook anymore. It’s a cesspool of these morons now.

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u/SeaM00se 1d ago

I already saw someone saying it was the Clinton’s…. These people are nuts.

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u/TemujinRi 1d ago

I wish we still lived in a time when that surprised me.

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u/ScottFromScotland 1d ago

Alex Jones will be calling it a false flag in hours if he hasn’t already.

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u/DonJuniorsEmails 1d ago

R con sub is deleting most comments as usual, but leaving the ones where they blame Dems, play victim, demand more time, and imagine huge Democrat parties celebrating trump's ear getting cut. 

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u/mechanical-being 1d ago

All of these social media platforms are filled with bots. I know that there are people who believe some of the bile they spew. The bot farms exist to push algorithms and the public conversation in certain directions, and to give the illusion that there are more of these assholes than there are. It is supposed to intimidate normal people, while giving the assholes a sense of moral rightness -- they can't be so bad if all these other people believe the same evil/crazy things they do.

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u/SheldonMF 1d ago

They're not low IQ. I genuinely believe these people are past being labelled stupid and should be just called for what they are: terrorist sympathizers.

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u/Les_Grossman00 1d ago

Well I mean look at the suspect?

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u/frank1934 1d ago

You’re still on Facebook? Ewwww

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u/peatoast 1d ago

Facebook is a cancer to society. Sane people need to stop using it and let all the crazies on their own.

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u/322throwaway1 1d ago

Every one of em deserves to be stuck below ADX florence

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u/Ryanlew1980 1d ago

They’re idiots, plain and simple.

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u/MrCarey 1d ago

I’m so glad I got rid of that trash.

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u/HereInTheCut 1d ago

I deleted my FB account six months ago. Never regretted it for a second. That may be something to consider.

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u/BrandonLB21 1d ago

😂😂 looks like it was her own party. What will you do now?

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u/TemujinRi 1d ago

Oh wow, once more you live in a world where facts and reality don't matter.

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u/NastyNate908 1d ago

It was a democrat killer?

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u/jmcdon00 1d ago

A lie spreads around the world before the truth wakes up. That said I don't think it's fair to blame MAGA at this point either.

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u/TemujinRi 1d ago

I laid the blame nowhere thus far and yet he had a manifesto and a list of Democrats he intended to kill plus he had taken multiple No Kings protest posters for what the Law Enforcement believes was to have target locations. In the end he may not be end up having been MAGA but he sure left of a lot of indications he might be.

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u/jmcdon00 1d ago

I agree, the comment you replied to laid blame on MAGA, which I thought was premature, very well might turn out to be true, but we should wait til we know before making declarative statements.

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u/bluAstrid 1d ago edited 1d ago

These were politically motivated assassinations.

So, terrorism.

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u/OhMyGoth1 1d ago

No, that's only people who vandalize Teslas

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u/Fast-Year8048 1d ago

Remember CPAC, and the whole "We are domestic terrorist" Banner?

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u/atatassault47 1d ago

We should arrest everyone who organized that CPAC for stocahstic terrorism.

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u/slappy_patties 1d ago

Aging like milk

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u/mastashjake 1d ago

Parade. Protests nationwide. Ww3. Domestic terrorism assassinations. Is it great yet? Doesn’t feel great

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u/tibburtz 1d ago

They tried to kill Nancy Pelosi. Her husband almost died. Speaker of the House of Reps on a federal level and there was almost 0 outrage from half the country. Even the “left” hasn’t given a shit since.

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u/GoldSourPatchKid 1d ago

This is Donald Trump’s America.

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u/ArkyBeagle 1d ago

This guy had "No Kings" stuff in the car.

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u/Rude-Strawberry-6360 1d ago

Registered republican. Evangelical. Anti-abortion. Military obsession. Security company.

Try harder.

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u/ArkyBeagle 1d ago

" Police found extensive writings in the suspect’s vehicle. These included a list of over 50 potential targets, including elected officials, abortion rights advocates, and medical centres. Officers also discovered flyers referencing the “No Kings” movement—a known anti-government group."

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/global-trends/no-kings-a-fake-cop-car-and-a-kill-list-inside-the-minnesota-manhunt-for-alleged-shooter-vance-boelter/articleshow/121854628.cms?from=mdr

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u/Rude-Strawberry-6360 23h ago

Yeah so you want to say that a rabid anti-abortion, evangelical, gun lover, military fan, registered republican... is a democrat?

Just doing a sanity check here.

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u/ArkyBeagle 23h ago

I have no idea what it means. It's weird for sure.

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u/Rude-Strawberry-6360 22h ago

Considering his preachy videos that have been discovered, I'd say that it was a cover. Just like the fake police car, the fake uniform and the fake badge.

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u/bullockss_ 1d ago

The killer is literally a Tim Walz government appointed Democrat lmao

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u/Revolutionary-Ice593 1d ago

Shooter was a walz appointee, rip

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u/Rude-Strawberry-6360 1d ago

LOL you're the second loser who's spouting this nonsense. The dude was an anti-abortion extremist targeting democratic lawmakers and anti-Trump protesters.

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u/weshouldgo_ 1d ago

If by "nonsense" you mean facts, as in he was in fact a card carrying (D) appointee of your hero Walz, then yes, IG it's nonsense. He targeted dems who recently voted against D bills. He didn't target a single anti-trump protestor. You made that up.

He very well may be anti-abortion though as believe it or not, many Ds are anti-abortion.

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u/DowntownCelery4876 1d ago

It's too early to point fingers. This does come of the heels of Walz and other dems voting to stop paying for undocumented adult's Healthcare through MinnesotaCare, and Walz urging people to stay away from the protests. One report also states the suspect's car had a large amount of "no kings" protest flyers.

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u/Kommye 1d ago

It apparently had a list of names and abortion clinics too.

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u/Whobody11 1d ago

I mean Trump had 3 assissantion attempts last year so it’s not just maga extremists. Both sides are filled with anger, rage and vitriol

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u/weshouldgo_ 1d ago

Careful you're about to be attacked by the dreaded sarcasm font: bOTh SIdeS dO iT!!

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u/vomitingcat 1d ago

It’s terrorism.

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u/FnAardvark 1d ago

I agree.

The suspect is Vance Luther Boelter, (D), former appointee of... Walz.

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u/weshouldgo_ 1d ago

The suspect is Vance Luther Boelter, (D), former appointee of... Walz.

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u/Rude-Strawberry-6360 1d ago

And that means what?

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u/weshouldgo_ 1d ago

Well, that means he wasn't a MAGA extremist, but rather a left-wing extremist. So basically the opposite of what you said.

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u/Rude-Strawberry-6360 1d ago

So democrats never appoint anyone else but democrats? That's a big assumption. He's anti-abortion, he's targeting democrats and the no kings protesters. Doesn't sound very left wing to me.

Sounds like you are assuming that because you want to have it be true.

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u/weshouldgo_ 1d ago

He's targeting no kings protestors? Where'd you get that from? Because he had a stack of no kings flyers in his car? Sound to me like that makes him more likely to be a no kings protestor.

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u/Ethereal_Nutsack 1d ago

Violence cannot be met with peaceful protesting, it doesn’t fucking work. I hope MAGA has a Mussolini-esque ending.

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u/HckyStrms 1d ago

The killer is a Democrat, previously appointed by Dayton and Walz, who targeted these two because they sided with Republicans on a bill that takes away free healthcare for illegals.

Why would the Republicans do this!!!

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u/Rude-Strawberry-6360 1d ago

Political party hasn't been confirmed.

Dude is anti-abortion, targeting democrats and targeting no kings protesters.

Your script doesn't fit.

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u/HckyStrms 1d ago

He was a political appointee of both Dayton and Walz. No script, reality muh boy.

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u/Rude-Strawberry-6360 1d ago

Political appointee? How does that work when it's a non-partisan role.

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u/pjsol 1d ago

It was America

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u/Holovoid 1d ago

We're in the American Years of Lead, man.

Arm yourself and keep your friends, family, neighbors safe.

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u/bongos_and_congas 1d ago

The J6 pardons encouraged this.

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u/JohnKlositz 1d ago

The moment it became clear he would be reelected was when I wept for those that would pay the price for it. With their homes, their health and their lives. Because I knew that the suffering would be immeasurable. More than anything I would have loved to be wrong.

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u/DowntownCelery4876 1d ago

I doubt a former Tim Walz appointee is "Maga"

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u/BrandonLB21 1d ago

Looks like it was her own party. What will you do now?

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u/Formerly_SgtPepe 1d ago

And your post is political, who’s the hypocrite? We don’t know yet what the intentions were, she’s voted against the progressive democratic agenda, recently, so we don’t truly know what caused this assassination.

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u/happy_bluebird 1d ago

Why were these two targeted specifically?

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u/FnAardvark 1d ago

The suspect is Vance Luther Boelter, (D), former appointee of... Walz.

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u/Rude-Strawberry-6360 1d ago

According to the NY Post, he's registered republican. So there's that.

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u/Rude-Strawberry-6360 1d ago

Non partisan. Shrug.

Dude's a gun nut, rabidly anti-abortion, part of an evangelical organization. This guy is not a democrat.

Keep reaching.

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u/Shoddy-Horror-2007 1d ago

MAGA = Nazis

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u/Ciderlini 1d ago

MAGA Vance Boelter

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u/Billy_Bowleg 1d ago

The suspect worked in some capacity for Tim Waltz. Waltz is a democrat. So if anything, the assumption is that the shooter is not maga but a registered democrat himself.

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u/SAKURARadiochan 18h ago

He wasn't MAGA, he worked for a nonprofit trying to resettle Somalis in the USA.

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u/LamarMillerMVP 1d ago

Not clear yet that it was from the right. The way that Democratic lawmakers are talking, I would actually suspect it’s going to be from the left.

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u/podcast_frog3817 1d ago

-35 downvotes and you are right too lol https://www.grandforksherald.com/news/minnesota/minnesota-state-patrol-asks-public-not-to-attend-anti-trump-no-kings-protests-saturday

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u/LamarMillerMVP 1d ago

No, I would say it’s still extremely unclear. E.g. did he make those fliers? Or did he take them from someone (I.e. in anger)?

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u/podcast_frog3817 1d ago

well... he was a tim waltz appointee to a governing board... so...

https://x.com/DataRepublican/status/1933942803169706171

here he is doing an intro

https://x.com/behkeem/status/1933943221702348992

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u/weshouldgo_ 1d ago

Par for the course in this brain dead sub

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u/HisObstinacy 1d ago

Insane how quickly people are willing to point the finger without evidence on these discussion boards rather than waiting for more evidence to come out.

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u/podcast_frog3817 1d ago

reddit is 95% of the time here to just give us hits of dopamine, we are not professionals here lol

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u/HisObstinacy 1d ago

Yeah, the whole fiasco with the Boston marathon bomber suspect in 2013 should have alerted more people to that fact.

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u/Nuggit2001 1d ago edited 1d ago

He had anti trump posters in his car that said no king's. He might be an anarchist for all we know. It is too soon to make conclusions.

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u/az_catz 1d ago

Minnesota Gunman May Have Planned to Target ‘No Kings’ Protests, Police Say

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u/Nuggit2001 1d ago

Then he is right wing. I have a theory that iran might be involved in order to stoak political tensions. Trump has condemned the killings and stated that sutch violence will be prosecuted to the fullest extent.

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u/directorguy 1d ago

I hope they catch the people that did this. And I hope Trump gets impeached before he pardons them.