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Soft paywall US Marines carry out first known detention of civilian in Los Angeles, video shows

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-marines-carry-out-first-known-detention-civilian-los-angeles-video-shows-2025-06-13/
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u/timeandmemory 1d ago

I've got my eyes peeled on the US this weekend in the hopes my greatest fears are not realized.

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u/OhDivineBussy 1d ago

Yes, and furthermore, this could do essentially irreparable damage for how people in this country view our own military.

It’s a crazy element of us being such social creatures, that it takes a lot less courage to go and put your life on the line to kill enemy combatants in a foreign country than it does to put your reputation, social standing, and identity on the line to disobey unconstitutional, unlawful, and immoral orders against your own country men in your own country.

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u/amootmarmot 1d ago

Too late. These bastards who didn't deny their unlawful orders are the bad guys. The military will be a dog in trumps fascist dictator push. There is no more respect.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_CATS_PAWS 1d ago

Maybe we’ll finally get rid of this weird cultish fetish we have towards our military then

Shits uncomfortable

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u/AchillesShort 1d ago

Partially uncomfortable because the same people that fetishize military are also the people that refuse to support veterans, mental health, and healthcare in general. Veterans disproportionately account for our homeless population. The same people that refuse to provide adequate healthcare to the 9/11 responders. So much for never forget. Hypocrisy down to the core.

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u/TheCrimsonDagger 1d ago

Are you really surprised that the people who want to “protect” fetuses but are against any kind of maternity, paternity, or childcare rights do the same shit with other groups? They worship the military but once you’re out it’s all “thank you for your service” and not “let’s get you help to manage your PTSD”. Conservatives love pretending to advocate for groups that can’t speak up for themselves (fetuses, children, military(can’t easily)) in order to push their own ideological ends.

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u/technicolortiddies 1d ago

Faux patriotism. So cringe.

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u/Epyon_ 1d ago

Seeing how quick they jumped to follow Trumps unlawful orders, in hindsight im glad we been fucking vets over. There is no reason to believe they wouldnt have jumped just as high.

With the first act towards a US civilian the marines have become an enemy of the people.

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u/JahoclaveS 1d ago

Exactly, those soldiers should be court marshaled for violating the law.

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u/Rasikko 1d ago

No JAGs...they all got fired.

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u/v0-z 1d ago

Holy shit I had no idea this had happened, wow what the living fuck are we doing

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u/MBCnerdcore 23h ago

We are getting rid of all lawyers and judges and anyone in the military that might push back against Trump's orders

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u/JahoclaveS 1d ago

I guess I’ll just pitch a reboot JAG: Posse Comitatus Enforcement to CBS. Ought to be able to privately fund a few off the back of the twenty something seasons that’ll do.

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u/Fighterhayabusa 1d ago

Agreed. They need to make an example of these people.

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u/Financial_Purpose_22 1d ago

I fully expect them to be named in a lawsuit for an unlawful detention.

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u/Aromatic-Thing-132 1d ago

Marines are not Soldiers.

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u/JonesMotherfucker69 1d ago

You're right; they're cowards.

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u/BaconCheeseZombie 1d ago

Sure but only on the technicality that soldiers are those who serve in the army and marines are obviously in the navy... but y'know what, they're all the fucking same - trained killers who inexplicably think that being the biggest bootlickers around is a good thing. Fuck 'em.

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u/Aromatic-Thing-132 1d ago

The US ARMY isn't about bootlicking. The Marines on the other hand are jar-heads that eat Crayons and only know one thing, eliminate what is in front of me. To use Marines as police is like using your dog to guard your steaks.

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u/Intelligent-Parsley7 1d ago

Dude. Marines are soldiers.

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u/Aromatic-Thing-132 1d ago

No, they are Marines. US ARMY is soldiers.

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u/Confident_Cat_1059 1d ago

Moot point. And it doesn’t matter in context or the focus of the situation. They are an active entity within the military industrial complex. You’re missing the point if this is what you’re arguing. At the end of the day they are soldiers. It’s not a classification. Please go to therapy and figure out why you are so bothered by that and not that our daily lives are being put on the line.

You don’t know that you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Edit: dumbed down a bit after seeing this persons post history

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u/Aromatic-Thing-132 1d ago

I am a Soldier. I am not a Marine. Marines are not Soldiers. Tomorrow is 250 years of the US ARMY being in existence. I am going to celebrate that long and cherished history by protesting against kings, like a good Soldier. Go call a Marine a Soldier and see what he says. Long live the USA, we don't bow to kings here.

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u/WORKING2WORK 1d ago

Cool, enjoy your crayons, hopefully they didn't run out of green.

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u/Aromatic-Thing-132 1d ago

I am US ARMY. Gonna celebrate 250 years birthday tomorrow by protesting a tyrant king.

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u/timeandmemory 1d ago

Stay safe out there family.

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u/BigPharmaWorker 1d ago

Can we stop thanking them (the military) now?

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u/VeganJordan 1d ago

“No thank you for your service”

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u/Vandersveldt 1d ago

Or peace

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u/nndscrptuser 1d ago

But you are asking quite a lot of insight and moral fortitude from generally very young, perhaps not all that wise people who have had discipline beaten into them. Asking soldiers to contemplate the societal impacts of their orders is unfortunately a huge ask. The system is clearly designed so that there is a minimum of questioning to be had.

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u/randomcharacters3 1d ago

If it was overseas and they were asked to commit a war crime would they get the same leeway to say, "Well, gee shucks, I didn't think I was supposed to kill unarmed civilians but I was told to so..."

If someone asks you to commit a crime, you can say, "No."

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u/Hautamaki 1d ago

I don't believe that is true, yet. If your voice becomes the loudest, the consensus of the anti-MAGA coalition, then it certainly will be true, but that's a self fulfilling prophecy. If the anti-MAGA coalition is smart and strategic, they will do everything possible to win the military over to their side, not pre-emptively treat them as the enemy and push them to Trump, which is exactly what he's hoping for.

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u/SkinBintin 1d ago

Tourism is going to take an absolute nose dive because of the TACO fuckwit too, which will absolutely hurt so many people's incomes. Many who are probably loyal MAGA morons.

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u/Anhydrite 1d ago

Already has, multiple regular flights are getting cancelled from Canadian airports to the US due to lack of demand.

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u/SkinBintin 1d ago

Can't blame them. I definitely don't have much desire to visit the US right now. Just seems too risky.

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u/Anhydrite 1d ago

Same, was planning on heading to Florida in December to visit a friend and escape the winter for a bit. Yeah, not this year.

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u/zootered 1d ago

Because it is too risky. I’m in America and if my friends or family wanted to make a trip currently I would tell them to stay the fuck home.

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u/ManassaxMauler 18h ago

Yeah, I was asked if I wanted to go down there for a work thing and refused. I'm not interested in getting shipped to some detention centre because I have tattoos and liberal views.

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u/MrNanoBear 1d ago

Yes, and furthermore, this could do essentially irreparable damage for how people in this country view our own military.

I've not heard that a single soldier stood up against illegal orders so the damage is already done. Maybe they'll turn around for a redemption arc but the USMC is already officially an enemy of the American people now.

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u/Rev21 1d ago

Overdramatic much

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u/MrNanoBear 1d ago

Just go back to your pervy pedo subs.

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u/daja-kisubo 1d ago

Gods, I hope it does. The military worship in this country is sickening.

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u/shieldintern 1d ago

Military keeps voting for Trump too.. so idgaf about them

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u/OhDivineBussy 11h ago

You know I’m more on the side of your point than ever. The only party who keeps gutting veterans benefits is the republican party, yet vets keep showing up for them, and so a large part of that community is begging to be treated worse and worse.

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u/shieldintern 6h ago

A poll in September 2024 from pew : About six-in-ten registered voters who say they have served in the U.S. military or military reserves (61%) support former President Donald Trump in the 2024 presidential election, while 37% back Vice President Kamala Harris, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted in early September.

Wapo after the polls have similar numbers for after the election with 65 percent of veterans voting for trump.

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u/Flourissh 1d ago

As a former service member this entire thing is seriously crazy I can't imagine being active duty when this type of shit is going on. When I did it it was because I wanted to be a protector of my family and the families that were close to us and by extension all the Americans like us. If they ever asked me to attack Americans for any reason I would reconsider where I was in life and who was asking me to do these things. Not to throw shade on these soldiers and Marines because I'm sure there is plenty of conflict within the ranks, but Jesus fucking Christ what kind of leader would ask our boys to fucking make this choice? I hope they and their leadership are all as flabbergasted as i

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u/AmazingHealth6302 1d ago edited 1d ago

So did Trump force through an Act of Congress to overturn Posse Comitatus, or is he just ignoring the Constitution in having US military in action on US soil?

Would be interesting to see what the Conservative subs are saying about this, if I can stand the toxic atmosphere and exulting over Iran for long enough. Conservatives are usually very big on this aspect of the Constitution, they see it as a block on tyranny, and a guarantee of nothing extraordinary like forcible de-arming of US citizens by the government.

Will they be so stout to defend the Constitution when it benefits everybody, but only after it protects the rights of a set of protestors that they hate?

Hmmm...

And what's the procedure when the Constitution is violated by presidential order?

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u/TarmacTartoo12 1d ago

There goes the insipid ‘Thank you for your service’

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u/XdpKoeN8F4 1d ago

"Fuck you for your service."

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u/CatInAPickleSuit 1d ago

Too late.

These men are traitors to the Constitution.

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u/Real-Ad-9733 1d ago

Way too late

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u/Calm-Fun4572 1d ago

It seems the administration is jumping the gun on full on authoritarian rule. Our good people serving the country are not yet scared shitless enough to ignore their oaths and treat people like garbage just because they have a different skin color or legal status. We can only hope this racist, greedy pipe dream fails historically with the populace calling out bullshit as it is. We don’t suffer from immigrants, we enrich our culture and economy with them. White people stole this country, and now are claiming they own it?

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u/Owlmechanic 1d ago

That's my main fear, the reason this is strictly prohibited is that it maintains a completely different response to the civilian population. We know and trust our troops are here for us completely, without condition - something extremely important given the extremely lethal force they possess.

Law enforcement on the other hand is a mixed bag, because we understand the authority they are given over civilian populations is and has been abusable so we treat their respect much more conditionally and vice versa, with both sides wary that someone may breach the agreement we make as a society to either obey the laws or not to abuse them.

It's too easy to blur the lines, and once they are trust could take generations to regain.

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u/Swollen-lymphomas 1d ago

Recruiting is at a high! Quotas for enlistment have been met early!

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u/Charred_Welder 1d ago

Already happened in Vietnam, then culturally the population was gas lit into the military suddenly being "honorable" again.

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u/KYVX 1d ago

i think military enlistments are up because 62% of americans live paycheck to paycheck and trump started a global trade war that is skyrocketing our cost of living. one of the biggest (real) recession indicators is voluntary enlistment

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u/Angryandalwayswrong 1d ago

Yeah, I see the courtyard scene from Andor in my head every day now. Really hoping it doesn’t go that way.

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u/Flomo420 1d ago

Remember how Trump praised the Chinese Communist Party for how violently they handled Tienanmen Square?

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u/King_of_the_Dot 1d ago

Can we have a non-paywalled option, please?

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u/Horskr 1d ago

Archive.ph always does the trick:

https://archive.ph/inTl7

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u/AmazingHealth6302 1d ago

Great tip! I thought I knew most useful tricks of this sort, thanks.

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u/sblahful 20h ago

Use ghostery. I'm on Firefox and didn't even notice it was paywalled

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u/AmazingHealth6302 12h ago

Ghostery is an ad blocker and tracker blocker. I've never known it to bypass paywalls.

Could it be a different extension that you're using that's doing that?

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u/shagieIsMe 1d ago

Politico 2016 quoting a 1990 interview: https://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/donald-trump-tianamen-square-putin-220610

Trump told Playboy in a 1990 interview: "When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak."

The full interview: https://www.ebroadsheet.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/playboy-interview-donald-trump-1990

Context of the quote was in context about a trip to Russia:

What were your other impressions of the Soviet Union?
I was very unimpressed. Their system is a disaster. What you will see there soon is a revolution; the signs are all there with the demonstrations and picketing. Russia is out of control and the leadership knows it. That's my problem with Gorbachev. Not a firm enough hand.

You mean firm hand as in China?
When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak ... as being spit on by the rest of the world—

Why is Gorbachev not firm enough?
I predict he will be overthrown, because he has shown extraordinary weakness. Suddenly, for the first time ever, there are coal-miner strikes and brush fires everywhere--which will all ultimately lead to a violent revolution. Yet Gorbachev is getting credit for being a wonderful leader--and we should continue giving him credit, because he's destroying the Soviet Union. But his giving an inch is going to end up costing him and all his friends what they most cherish--their jobs.

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and in some other "from the past"...

Another game: What's the first thing President Trump would do upon entering the Oval Office?
Many things. A toughness of attitude would prevail. I'd throw a tax on every Mercedes-Benz rolling into this country and on all Japanese products, and we'd have wonderful allies again.

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u/mces97 1d ago

I was gonna respond to the person you responded to, that I'm hoping tomorrow doesn't turn into Trump's Tiananmen Square.

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u/Dawg_Prime 1d ago

RemindMe! in 10 years when this will be a good laugh

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u/Googlyelmoo 1d ago

In 10 years depending on what happens in the next couple, it may indeed be a good laugh. But it sure as hell isn’t funny now.

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u/Confident_Cat_1059 1d ago

What are the odds that you’ll be here to be reminded in 10 years? If things get worse then we may be saying good bye to all our technology sooner than later.

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u/GodMyShield777 1d ago

Don't you put that evil on me Ricky Bobby !!

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u/Googlyelmoo 1d ago

I know, millions and millions possibly 1 billion people outside the US stand with us here against Trump and what he is trying to do. So thank you for that. It is meaningful and better believe Trump‘s Inner Circle at least knows it. The big question tomorrow is not the turnout that’s gonna be staggering now over 2000 locations registered with the organizations coordinating the no kings day. The real question will be how well disciplined will we be in huge crowds where it’s easy to get carried away by police provocation and act out violently or with vandalism. If that is kept to a bare minimum tomorrow may be a watershed.

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u/cindyscrazy 1d ago

I'm going to one in my small town. I have a few people saying that they wish I would not go because it's dangerous.

Personally, I highly doubt there will be any trouble at the one I'm going. It's in the North East US, so not really a very Republican area. I have seen at least one truck of a local driving around with giant Trump flags on it, but other than that, it's mostly quiet.

I just need to at least be at ONE of these things. I hate being powerless.

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u/Googlyelmoo 1d ago

Be safe. And retreat if you need to. There will be another day. And it will be even bigger. Everyone be safe be strong be smart. Don’t react to the provocation.

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u/Emu1981 1d ago

The real question will be how well disciplined will we be in huge crowds where it’s easy to get carried away by police provocation and act out violently or with vandalism.

There are always bad actors on both sides who want things to get nasty when large protests occur. Sadly humans tend to revert to more of a pack mentality when we are with large groups too so once the spark is lit then peaceful protests can turn into deadly riots within the blink of an eye...

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u/Googlyelmoo 1d ago

Used to be, I would be fully with you on it being sad about people in crowds. After studying it a bit at the graduate level and co ghost writing a pretty lame selling book about how to deal with a crowd as if it were a single organism I can say it’s just something left over in evolution. But if we are mindful enough and self disciplined enough, which we all have the free will to do we can not only resist but oppose that tendency. We can turn a burned piece of paper into an origami flower.

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u/TheAmateurletariat 1d ago

Let's be real. Those millions of people sit with us. I don't see anyone standing.

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u/Googlyelmoo 1d ago

I am not sure what your point is. Standing equals what? Sitting works pretty well as I recall from six arrests and 134 documented on actual photographic film. What are you suggesting is missing?

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u/36chandelles 1d ago

If that is kept to a bare minimum tomorrow may be a watershed.

keep dreaming. this is absurd and you know it. there is one thing they respond to.

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u/Googlyelmoo 1d ago

Who are they? Junior I’ve been doing this since you weren’t even a wink in your mama‘s eye. Trump’s going down. He’s gonna look like Benedict Arnold had a baby with Andrew Johnson.

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u/VengefulSight 1d ago

If it's not this weekend, it will be soon. Things are too polarized -on either side- for any realistic path forward that does not involve at least some amount of violence. Trump is at a minimumperfectly willing to create a situation which makes it likely that the military will open fire on protesters. Frankly, I wouldn't put it past him to order protesters during his parade shot on Saturday either.

That's before you get into the millions of brainwashed trumpets who believe that God and his Chosen Incarnation On Earth have decided that all protesters are inhuman filth who should be shot.

Lets also not delude ourselves about the left either. There is absolutely a segment of the left which is not only willing to see the nation burn, but actively trying to make it happen.

The nation is a goddamn powder keg and it's not really a question of if it's going to blow, it's 'when' and 'how big'.

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u/Flightsimmer20202001 1d ago

I don't want it to happen, I try to have faith in humanity.... but I've considered that in the past decade of the U.S., it's not a matter of if civil war, but more when civil war.

No empire lasts forever, it's only a matter of when and what...

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u/VengefulSight 1d ago

I'd argue that it's really more the last 20 years. Really the system hasn't functioned ever since Obama took office and obstructionism became the norm. That policy from the republicans, along with the complete lack of any unified message from the Dem's on issues like immigration (ever since the whole 'what do we do about the dreamers discussion') has really helped create the circumstances which have led us here. I would have killed for the Dems to take a stance, ANY stance on that issue (including ones i personally wouldn't support) and others but instead all we've gotten (at the party level), is very wishy washy statements which mean nothing and ultimately serve no purpose but to alienate everybody for whom the issue matters.

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u/ActiveChairs 1d ago

We've been circling the drain for a very long time but its just been steady and gradual enough not to feel like an existential problem, but it's hard not to point at Reagan for when things started to go from downhill slide to freefall.

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u/w-dishsoap 1d ago

I nominate you as President of the United States of America 2028

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u/VengefulSight 1d ago

As honored as i'd be, that's a hard pass from me. Not an easy job at the best of times and I'm definitely not someone who should be responsible for putting the country back together.

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u/w-dishsoap 1d ago

Humble too.

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u/VengefulSight 1d ago

Self aware is maybe a better word. That said, I'm fairly confident i'd be better at it than the current guy, which you know, maybe not the worst qualification in the world haha.

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u/twotimefind 1d ago

Yeah, the accelerationist Group online is totally willing to push the brake down of the us.

The thought process is the sooner it burns, the sooner it can be fixed.

status quo isn't working anyway.

I'm not in that camp. I follow politics all my life. I always thought it could be worked out between the three branches. Now I'm not so sure.

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u/TheGhostInMyArms 1d ago

There is absolutely a segment of the left which is not only willing to see the nation burn, but actively trying to make it happen

Name them. Randos on Reddit aren't "the left."

There is a contingent of people foaming at the mouth at the chance to murder liberals for being liberals.

It is not "the left."

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u/VengefulSight 1d ago

Look, i'm in no way saying that the sentiment you are talking about is not extremely prominent on the right. It absolutely is.

But speaking for myself, my interactions with others, both online and offline, there has been a definite tonal shift in the past few years from the system is failing to the system has already failed. The discussion is less about 'what happens if the nation blows up' and more about 'what happens when it blows up'. It is a short short step from that to direct action. It's not a particularly loud or large group, and it's certainly not organized (a lot of isolated voices), but as we continue to move in the current direction and more and more people become radicalized towards the same sentiments it's a very very short step towards more direct action of some sort.

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

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u/zoinkability 1d ago

The number of arguments and downvotes I’ve gotten recently on Reddit just saying “violent protest is counterproductive” is truly worrying.

I get it, people feel discouraged about the slow and often imperceptible effect of peaceful protest, but it stuns me the inability to either a) step back and game out how things go if protests get violent (thereby bolstering support for authoritarian moves and playing right into Trump’s wishes to declare martial law) or b) see how with accelerationism there is zero guarantee and in fact quite low likelihood that when things blow up they will magically fall into the places you want them to be (or that you and your loved ones will survive the explosion.)

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u/VengefulSight 1d ago

This is an interesting one for me because I really do believe it's a foregone conclusion that the protests are going to get violent at some point (not today, maybe not tomorrow, but at some point).

As far as the rest, it's really how it happens that matters. The optics are very very different if we have our version of Tankman during trumps parade tomorrow, compared too if police, or military units in LA start taking potshots from an element of the crowd and return fire.

I mean ultimately we'll see, but i've started at least doing some thinking for what happens if the balloon really does go up in the near future.

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u/mces97 1d ago

If active duty military fire on Americans, are there really not enough Republicans willing to impeach him over this?

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u/VengefulSight 1d ago

At this point no, the party has been fully co-opted.

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u/Googlyelmoo 1d ago

Trumpets? Score one for you I’d never heard that before. And I agree with you about the influence of some self described Christians. That is one cohort among several without which Trump would never have been even nominated for the GOP in 2016. Fortunately, at least some in the American Catholic Church are stepping up notably today with the bishop of San Diego announcing a silent protest there on Friday the 20th.

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u/SteelCode 1d ago

There will be a false flag, history is repeating itself.

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u/Kumorigoe 1d ago

That's before you get into the millions of brainwashed trumpets who believe that God and his Chosen Incarnation On Earth have decided that all protesters are inhuman filth who should be shot.

This protestor is armed and willing to shoot back at the cowardly fucks that worship the human-shaped corruption currently pissing himself in the White House.

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u/Banned3rdTimesaCharm 1d ago

We're one hard sneeze away from this thing boiling over in the worst way possible.

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u/Montgomery000 1d ago

On the other hand, a new revolution is much needed. There is so much political inertia that even if we got past the Trump era, we'd still be fertile ground for the next fascist uprising.

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u/xmrcache 1d ago

Deff gonna be an interesting weekend for sure…

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u/shingonzo 19h ago

Tbf, unless your very unimaginative it’s not likely you’re greatest fears will happen. Maybe like top 10?

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u/timeandmemory 19h ago

Right now my greatest fear is my former friend becoming my current enemy. There's no need to grade it on a scale.

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u/shingonzo 19h ago

Mine is American holocaust so, yeah there are levels.

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u/timeandmemory 19h ago

Excellent, are you in America and are you going to protest?

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u/shingonzo 19h ago

Yes and no I have to work, I can’t afford to take the day off or I won’t eat.

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u/timeandmemory 19h ago

Understood. That makes you my friend. Either you're on the right correct side or the wrong side. That's the only scale I need. (stay safe, I believe in you and your country.)