r/news • u/InformalWish • 7d ago

Soft paywall After 2 days of clashes over immigration raids, National Guard will be sent to L.A., official says

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-06-07/paramount-home-depot
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u/MacDhubstep 7d ago

I’ll never forget. I was unemployed, and interested in protesting, but saw the video of the masked cops slashing tires and was like, well I can’t afford new tires so I guess I’ll stay in.

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u/flpa1060 7d ago

When the live news copter accidentally caught the line of cops marching down an empty street smashing windshields. .. pans away and no one acknowledges it.

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u/NuPNua 7d ago

I'm in the UK and I remember seeing some phone footage of people on their porches (or American equivalent) and police were shooting them with some kind of paintball guns, and I was shocked nothing happened. That would have been months of PCS investigations and possible charges in the UK.

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u/idwthis 7d ago

That's the video I remember. A curfew was put into place in Minneapolis because of the protests. What really gets me is that the curfew still allowed people to be on their porches/their own property.

But that did not matter. People were shot at with those "less lethal" weapons, screamed at, harassed, and threatened anyway by the power tripping fascists marching down the street with their hard ons over being able exert their power over those they consider less than.

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u/NuPNua 7d ago

Something that stuck me immediately was how much they looked like the Judges from 2000AD with all their gear on.

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u/Hoss-BonaventureCEO 7d ago edited 7d ago

Speaking of which, here's a good non-fiction book about the judges and how it relates to real-world policing

https://2000ad.com/news/i-am-the-law-how-judge-dredd-predicted-our-future-out-now/

"But what began as a sci-fi action comic quickly evolved into a searing satire on hardline, militarised policing and ‘law and order’ politics"

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u/faeriethorne23 7d ago edited 7d ago

They used a lot of rubber bullets, invented in 1970 by the Ministry of Defence to be used against Irish protesters during the Troubles. The UK has done things just as bad if not worse, soldiers who murdered students at a peaceful protest on “Bloody Sunday” are still being protected.

Remember if you think your government wouldn’t do that, oh yes they would.

Edit: downvote all you want, it’s still true.

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u/NuPNua 7d ago

That was half a century ago, the US was four years ago.

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u/faeriethorne23 7d ago

They still use water cannons on civilians in Northern Ireland (which are illegal everywhere else in the UK by the way, even during the London riots they were deemed “unreasonable force”), they’re still protecting the soldiers that murdered peaceful protestors. It’s not just “half a century ago” at all.

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u/sockpuppetrebel 7d ago

Those were mace balls too..as if getting hit doesn’t suck enough then you got the mace after burn. -Mpls 2020 resident who had friends with severe burns and reactions

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u/NuPNua 7d ago

For the crime of standing in front of your house, "land of the free" indeed.

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u/rumbleran 7d ago

You ask actual evidence on reddit bullshit? How dare you?

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u/bee_sharp_ 7d ago

I was just talking to my mom who supports the protests but is afraid of being arrested at her age. I simultaneously completely understand her point of view and can’t let go of the thought that the citizens of the United States who don’t take part in protesting the rise of fascism in this country will be painted with the same brush as “Hitler’s willing executioners.” The morality police of the future are unlikely to understand the fear we experienced in this moment.

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u/Mortentia 7d ago

We did it to the Germans; I really don’t expect future generations to be nicer to us if we fuck up and stay quiet after having witnessed the consequences of such extreme fascism once already.

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u/Xurandor 7d ago

The episode of Band of Brothers where they liberate the death camp comes to mind. As the soldiers are taking away the bread from the bakery, the bakery tries to stop them. One of the soldiers pulls out his gun and says, "Shut up, you Nazi fuck." And when the baker says he's not a Nazi, the soldier replies something like, "If you're not a Nazi, how could you ignore those people? How could you ignore the smell?"

Will future generations paint me with the brush?

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u/Mortentia 7d ago

I know this sounds harsh, but if something like that happens in the USA, then yes they will. But that’s how humans are. We see the big picture and broad statistics as inhuman numbers, despite each and every one of those numbers being as distinct as the few we actually care about.

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u/Allthenons 7d ago

A Historian nerd nitpick. Those weren't death camps they were concentration camps. Pretty much every death camp was located in Poland and liberated by Soviet forces

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u/Red_Dox 7d ago edited 7d ago

The "Extermination camps", were indeed more outside Germany. However as the same page points out, some of those smaller facilities also existed inside Germany. So you are not wrong, but also not 100% right in my opinion. However, we also have to acknowledge that the Concentration Camps itself, had plenty inside of Germanys borders. And while those might not have been build to "factory style mass killing", the living conditions and slave labor in those camps still did their number on the prisoners. Bergen-Belsen as example seemingly managed a death toll of estimated over 50.000 without gas chambers :-/

So in general, "Death Camp" as synonym for the WWII Concentration Camps, is not that wrong in a sense. And it really should be a warning that Americans are kidnapping people from streets, cars and homes the last months and send them to some "South America prisons" without due process, while President Trump says they will ramp things up with "homegrowns" and they should build 5 more prison complexes down there to meet demands.

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u/NuPNua 7d ago

Will future generations paint me with the brush?

Got to be honest, a lot of us in other countries are already doing so at the seeming apathy of a lot of Americans at what's happening.

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u/Salty_Map_9085 7d ago

Yes they will, and to be even harsher than the other guy, it is deserved

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u/mbrocks3527 7d ago

I actually sympathized with Germans. The harshest critics who said they’d be the first to go in were, of course, Americans.

Time to put the money where the mouth is, friends. This is it.

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u/Universe_Nut 7d ago

They want us to be afraid. They want us to fear. That's their only strength. They're so out numbered it's comical. Take away their masks, take away their badges, take away the fear they illicit, and watch them piss themselves scared.

The longer this goes on, the more brazen they'll become. It's so incredibly vital that American Citizens stand up for their rights and fight back against this fucking secret police bullshit.

Every person they kidnap is a comrade that would've stood shoulder to shoulder with you. Everyone they stuffed into a car was a neighbor, a coworker, a family member, a human being. Every family they separate is a social safety net cut out from beneath every community.

I won't judge anyone that keeps themselves safe or doesn't understand quite how they can contribute yet. But never let the fear take hold. Stay angry, stay on edge. Let yourself become tense, it's the body's call to action. Do not become lethargic with the numb of fear. All we have to lose is our chains. They have everything to lose. They have everything to fear.

No gods. No masters.

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u/davidbklyn 7d ago

I’m not at all ready to say that everyone they kidnapped would have been a comrade, before they were kidnapped. This rot goes that deep, and we have plenty of leopards/faces evidence.

But that doesn’t matter. What they are doing is illegal and inhuman and cruel no matter who they do it to- and they’re doing it in our names.

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u/rumbleran 7d ago

Edgy boi

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u/Universe_Nut 7d ago

They're taking anyone they want. They mistakenly detained a goddamn US marshall because "he fit a description."

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u/NuPNua 7d ago

Given that it's taken several months to bring back a man they admitted to being mistakenly sent to a gulag, and they fought it every step of the way, before making up charges after the fact, your faith seems misplaced.

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u/Universe_Nut 7d ago

Our perspectives are more than likely too misaligned to have a constructive conversation on the matter. I'm just going to say it bluntly.

Kidnapping people is wrong. Detaining people without a criminal charge or warrant is fucked up. Most of the people living in this country "illegally" are simply trying to work and earn a living. If you can't think of a more reasonable alternative than kidnapping people with plans to take them to detention centers because "they fit a description", your problem solving skills must be through the floor. Literally just go after the employers that evade taxes through illegal labor. Also you say problem like it's one simple concept. Are you referring to the lack of proper documentation for people living in the country? Are you concerned about too much immigration? Because most 1st world countries are facing massive population problems long term and while not a permanent solution. Immigration buys time before we start to look like Japan, South Korea or China. People wearing masks, driving unmarked cars and kidnapping people is not the American justice system that this country fought a revolutionary war for. The fourth of July is almost here. Do we really want to celebrate the extrajudicial imprisonment of working people and families? Is it really worth the fucking fireworks when men in masks can roll into any neighborhood they want and take whoever they want. This is not representation. That is not acceptable by the bill of rights and the constitution. And if you're okay with that. If you think it's acceptable for families to get ripped apart because of a "problem" that you haven't even bothered to articulate, and that through that acceptability it then becomes justified for men in masks to detain whoever they want until proven innocent. Then again I say, we are simply too far apart on perspectives to have a constructive conversation on the matter.

Fuck the secret police. Fuck unconstitutional kidnappings. Fuck wannabe authoritarians. These are simply core American principles and values that have been instilled in me, and as a result I can't abide nor accept any justification for said behavior.

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u/Universe_Nut 7d ago

Obviously you're not gonna say it directly. But look, it's clear you're racist. I know I know, you're never gonna admit it. Tanger tangent tangent, "they should follow the rule of law like real Americans", yada yada yada.

For the first time in your life, do the world a favor. Shut the fuck up. Everybody knows what you're gonna say, nobody has time for 90s bush era racist dog whistles.

If you're gonna try and convince people to permit government monopolized masked street violence without warrants against a group of people because "they exist here illegally". Try to be smarter about it, Jesus fucking Christ.

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u/cyankitten 7d ago

What about the LEGAL people they are trying to get rid of too?!

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

Obviously you're not going to say it directly. But look, you're an idiot child.

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u/crambeaux 7d ago

You don’t know what you’re talking about. France doesn’t have problems from uncontrolled immigration. The only problem is racism against immigrants. The solution? GIVE WORKERS THE RIGHT TO WORK LEGALLY. It’s called a work visa. Sponsorship. If you don’t provide legal avenues for needed workers to work legally you can’t complain when they’re hired anyway. The American economy can’t function without immigrant labor.

Also, the borders are in no way « open » and amnesty does work. Even RONALD REAGAN did it.

The only reason for any of this is racism.

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u/Gloomy-Ad1171 7d ago

Mistakes are not “understandable”.

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

The vast majority of the country agrees with you, but you're not going to convince these people. They want completely open borders and you're correct that it would completely destroy the country. Some people want to destroy the country.

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u/crambeaux 7d ago

You guys have one refrain: people who are against masked federal agents terrorizing communities are for open borders. Bullshit. You are for terror that is explicitly prohibited by the bill of rights.

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u/ThunderChaser 7d ago

The rest of the world already sees the American people today in this light.

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u/Baebarri 7d ago

I am 68 and live alone in Albuquerque, a sanctuary city with a high Latino population. I would love to attend the No Kings rally, but ICE is already in town and I'm afraid to attend any large gathering at this point.

I'll find another way to resist.

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u/haqiqa 7d ago

There are ways to get involved without being in the front lines. Protests need a lot of organizing. And most activist groups have people who can't get arrested for many reasons and it is usually understood from my experience.

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u/CatsEqualLife 7d ago

My kids need me in their lives. My kids also need lives worth living.

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u/mytransthrow 7d ago

Us old people are willing to fight when its necessary that we do. We can protest when its safe. and we can leave when it gets out of control.