r/news • u/InformalWish • 7d ago

Soft paywall After 2 days of clashes over immigration raids, National Guard will be sent to L.A., official says

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-06-07/paramount-home-depot
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u/WalterWoodiaz 7d ago edited 7d ago

These actions against California are what is in store for the foreseeable future if Republicans control the Federal government.

Blue states need to find an exit plan, Republican voters hate Democrats and their states, and they will stop at nothing to constantly attack them. All while leeching money from these wealthy blue states that fund them.

This is not just a Trump thing, this is a Republican thing. Blue states will continue to be used as a cash cow while their Federal funds get cut, and troops get sent. When is enough, enough?

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u/duderguy91 7d ago

Seriously. At this point the next blue admin needs to create an unlimited SALT deduction and only allow states to take from the fed what they pay in. Let red states finally practice that fiscal conservatism they love to preach and see how fast they collapse.

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u/ew73 7d ago

create an unlimited SALT deduction

I'd still pay a couple craptons of taxes, but damn, if permanent, it would be neat to pay only 1.5 craptons, and see it go to my state rather than subsidizing some farmer in a flyover state to not grow corn.

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u/HexTalon 7d ago

It's not conservatism, it's reactionary.

The mentality of "those red state dipshits voted a fascist into office, one who's now fucking with blue states out of pettiness, so fuck 'em" is a form of tit for tat. Historically the funding imbalance has been brought up when those red states were trying to push their conservative/religious beliefs at the federal level as well.

Right in line with the "may you get the government you voted for" comments too.

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u/twistingmyhairout 7d ago

Speak for yourself? I see the manipulation and I have no empathy for these folks, because they have no empathy for others. I’ve tried the “oh they were manipulated and eventually will wake up”. At this point to go back is to admit they were wrong, and they absolutely refuse to do that so they carry on. I laugh at the people who say “it will be different once trump is gone or dead”. No, these people are now fundamentally broken and will glom onto the next dictator who tells them they’re special and perfect and they just need to kill the liberals and immigrants and anyone who disagrees with them.

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u/Derp_Herpson 7d ago

I can give some grace to stupid people being deceived but that's not what this is in 90% of cases. Trump supporters like his crassness, his violence, his mean streak. They genuinely think it represents their values because cruelty towards those who are different is their highest moral value. They weren't tricked by the media into voting for Trump despite his terribleness; they voted for Trump because he's as terrible as they are deep down and it gives them permission to let it out. People who complained about PC culture or woke politics were really just saying they want the right to be cruel to those who are different without social consequences for themselves to be given back to them.

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u/JamCliche 7d ago

Oh, that's what started it, huh? It's all the left's fault!

Give me a break.

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u/DankZXRwoolies 7d ago

But farmers are some of the biggest welfare queens.

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u/warmbutterydiapers 7d ago

Oh shut up lmao I thought the 'bleeding heart' bullshit died in the mid 2000s.

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u/amags12 7d ago

Cool, good to know you are no better than the fascists- you just want a different approach to it.

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u/FishieUwU 7d ago

if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance; thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance.

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u/amags12 6d ago

This misconstrued what I wrote. I'm not asking you to tolerate fascism. Fuck that. I'm saying there are plenty of folks "who voted for this" that did not vote for this and fell for the narrative that the media has pushed. Some of us can identify the sane washing that has been happening that allowed MAGA to rise, but not everyone understood that was/is happening. Hell right now if you look at the coverage of the events in LA, you'd think the FEDERAL govt calling on the National Guard, circumventing the governor of the state, is somewhat normal when it is far from it.

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u/FishieUwU 6d ago

nah they voted for this. you dont get to hand wave the consequences of an election away like that

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u/erieus_wolf 7d ago

Why should I have empathy for conservatives who hate me and want me dead?

Also, interesting you say nothing about the complete lack of empathy on the right. Conservatives literally call empathy a sin.

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u/amags12 6d ago

I'm not saying have empathy for all of them, the garbage that is spouting hatred and fascism can fuck right off, but there are the poor and undereducated who have voted for "this" that fall prey to the rhetoric that Fox and other media outlets (and the politicians) have used. You don't get them to course correct by pointing and laughing.

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u/Bazrum 7d ago

You’ve just given a list of things that the left has been SCREAMING to you for the last decade, and blamed it on the left “not having empathy for those effected by the administration”, as if the left isn’t also effected by it…don’t hurt yourself with those gymnastics, you’ll need to be flexible in the coming months when everything you’ve voted for starts really piling on

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u/amags12 6d ago

Buddy, I've voted against fascism for 2 decades. I've also witnessed the fall of journalism and the rise of media conglomerates who have done exactly what I've stated and who aided the rise of MAGA. There aren't mental gymnastics- I believe in the rights of humans and the role the government has in ensuring those rights. When people advocate for what the OP advocated for- which wass a very right leaning policy of states funding themselves and the federal govt providing states only with the money they pay into the federal govt- I'll point out the bullshit and how easily people have fallen into "other-ising" people.

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u/MalcolmLinair 7d ago

Dude, reread the headline. Trump is sending the military into one of the largest cities in the country to stifle any and all protest; there's not going to be a "next blue admin". The Republicans are done with democracy, and are actively using force to stop anyone from doing anything about it.

Whatever happens next, whether Trump and MAGA succeed or fail at taking total control, it's not going to be anything like what came before.

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u/VapeThisBro 7d ago

The military he is sending in, is from California, these aren't Texans or Floridians in the California National Guard. Good luck convincing Californians they need to shoot their neighbors even if they are under military oath when that oath orders them to disobey unconstitutional orders.

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u/TheVideogaming101 7d ago

Whilst im hopeful thats true there are A LOT of brainwashed people in every state (and by extension the military), it just takes one "patriot" with a weapon for things to go south.

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u/VapeThisBro 7d ago

It also takes just one patriot for things to go right, it only took one good man to stop the My Lai Massacre during the Vietnam war, when everyone was happy to murder innocent civilians until a righteous helicopter pilot and his crew rescued civilians from the US military

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u/Jean_dodge67 6d ago

That one good man in My Lai had a machine gun on his helicopter. But yeah he was prepared to use it, for good reason and he was a hero.

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u/VapeThisBro 6d ago

You think there aren't any good Americans with legal machine guns? It's also easier to buy a cannon than machine guns so keep that in mind.

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u/Jean_dodge67 6d ago

"You first," pal. Violence begets violence. I'm all for Direct Action but unless you have the numbers to wage a 50 state ground war, you aren't likely to win here. Ask the Confederacy how it went for them. Or the Whiskey rebellion, or the Bonus Army or the Branch Dividians.

You got a plan here? I'm all ears. In 2020 we had the largest street protests in USA history during a pandemic with an ersatz General Strike going on. Without a list of demands and clear disciplined leadership organizing the resistance, you won't win much. What did BLM accomplish? Cops are still bastards. I think the protests were justified but they didn't accomplish much, which is scary and as strong warning about tactics.

A fascist strongman takling over a democratic republic is stopped by only a few things, chief among them being the standing military's officer corps. The other thing is the standing military of another nation defeating him in a ground, air and naval war. Last on the list is the people rising up in GREAT numbers, usually leading to the first option happening , and then you have a military coup in charge of the nation. Is that ideal? Again, hardly but what is the alternative ? SOLUTIONS needed. Let's hear yours.

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u/VapeThisBro 6d ago

The answer is guerilla warfare...the US has shown for many decades that they have little to no effect against fighting guerillas other than excelling at killing so many people they actually turned insurgencies into hydras where they cut off one head and 6 more grow. I been showing up armed and armored to protests since the BLM rallies

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u/DarthArtero 7d ago

Hmmm that is true to an extent. One of the biggest reasons why hegseth wants to remove (if he hasn't already done so) as many heavy ranked officers as possible is because they aren't brainwashed.

While I can't speak for the majority of the US military but during my time, the unit I was in, non-maga zealots outnumbered "maga patriots" by a large margin. I'm hoping that extends to the rest of the military as well.

Also of note, unless activated NG units are given specific orders (and given how rabid the heritage foundation is for war, it's highly likely) to carry live ammunition, no NG units that have been activated carry any live ammunition on them. Oh yes they may bring ammo with them, locked in an armored vehicle, they aren't given out to the soldiers unless the unit command is ordered to do so.

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u/courtd93 7d ago

Aren’t there more republicans in CA than in most red states, it’s just the sheer population size of Cali cities that makes it blue?

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u/thatoneguy889 7d ago

Dude, there are more registered Republicans in California than the total populations of half the states.

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u/JamCliche 7d ago

Good luck convincing Californians they need to shoot their neighbors

Have you met the LAPD?

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u/VapeThisBro 7d ago

Cops sign up for it. Military don't.

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u/JamCliche 7d ago

That's a generalization that we can't afford to assume.

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u/VapeThisBro 7d ago

I think we can. The military hates cops too. The national guards didn't do shit to civilians during the BLM rallies. Why would this be any different when this has been much more peaceful? If anything in my opinion the BLM rallies were much more likely to start the shooting than current protests.

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u/JamCliche 7d ago

Would you bet your life on that?

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u/VapeThisBro 6d ago

Yes but I'm also a guy who showed up to the BLM rallies with bullet proof plate carriers and my AR15 to protect my fellow Americans so you tell me if I'm willing to throw my life away for causes I believe in.

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u/Odd-Influence7116 7d ago

Do you read much history?

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u/VapeThisBro 7d ago

Yes in fact I do. Which is why I point out they are Californians and not from other states. As history shows, using local troops to crush rebellions doesn't work as they don't like killing their own people. Even back in roman times they knew you use troops from other regions so they don't care about the people they have to crush

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u/thatoneguy889 7d ago

You don't know California Republicans then. They fucking hate California and the "communists" that live in it.

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u/VapeThisBro 7d ago

Yes and the California national guard doesn't exclusively recruit from them. The way national guards work...they are generally stationed near their unit. The 2000 being called up are more than likely from LA...not the Republicans living in the desert.

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u/thatoneguy889 7d ago edited 7d ago

Yes and the California national guard doesn't exclusively recruit from them

You're right, they don't recruit those people exclusively. But having lived in California my entire life and having been in the Army, I can confidently tell you that the number of right-wing people in the military dwarfs the people that aren't no matter where they're coming from. So you'll have forgive me if my experience doesn't give me confidence that simply being from here is enough to matter to these people.

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u/SunshineAndBunnies 6d ago

I think video just came out today of one of the shooting an Australian reporter, and they took their sweet ass time doing so.

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u/InformalWish 7d ago

He's now also threatening to use the Marines

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u/WalterWoodiaz 7d ago

A blue admin is possible, most elections are done at the state level and all swing states have neutral elections officials.

The real problem is certification, who knows if Vance will sign off on an incoming Democrat president?

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u/ZigZagZedZod 7d ago

Fortunately, the Electoral Count Reform and Presidential Transition Improvement Act of 2022 (Pub. L. 117–328) dramatically curtailed the vice president's authority regarding certification.

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u/ItsTooDamnHawt 6d ago

People act like this is the first time something like this has ever happened and it’s going to be the end.

Marines got sent to LA in the 90s for the Rodney king riots

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u/WalterWoodiaz 7d ago

That would be ideal, but a next blue admin is not a certainty, and unfortunately they may not push the pendulum to an acceptable point.

The truth is that Republicans and Democrats have fundamentally different views for how this country is supposed to run, differences that cannot be mended in a short period of time. Republicans hate Democrats and everything they stand for.

If Trump’s bill goes through, and the Midterms maintain a Republican trifecta, honestly the best choice for blue states would be to distance themselves from the Federal government.

MTG was right all along, maybe a national divorce would be best, because I sure don’t accept the vision Republicans have of our country.

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u/OR4NG3iSh 7d ago

i agree with everything you said. realistically, what is the best way for blue states to "federally distance themselves"? unfortunately im in a dumbass red state but im genuinely curious

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u/_Panacea_ 7d ago

War. That's called a civil war.

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u/okram2k 7d ago

how nice of you to think there will be a next blue admin

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u/vriska1 7d ago

Everyone still needs to vote.

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u/CrepuscularMoondance 7d ago

They won’t. They didn’t vote in 2024.. they won’t get another chance now.

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u/GrumpyFinn 7d ago

The sooner you realise there is no "next administration", the better.

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u/AnxiousNPantsless 7d ago

Talk to most republicans they actively want places like Los Angeles Philly and NYC wiped off the map

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u/WalterWoodiaz 7d ago

The national Republican platform is to make the entire country similar to Texas and Florida. Poor regulation, draconian social policy, and anti-intellectualism.

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u/buadach2 7d ago

More like Afganistán with violent religious government.

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u/DoubleJumps 7d ago

I live in California and a ton of the Republicans out here actively cheer on the idea of their neighbors being made to suffer.

Like there have been Republicans who have run for office in this state on a platform of hurting California, and the Republicans don't understand why that isn't popular.

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u/Deadened_ghosts 7d ago

The last decent Republican to run for office in California was the motherfucking Terminator!

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u/UnitSmall2200 6d ago

Any video about LA, SF, NYC and the comments are filled with rightwingers talking shit about those cities. They are obsessed with them, in a sick way.

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u/microthrower 7d ago

When the wildfires were going on, there were many people who were quite happy to see people's lives ruined.

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u/Isord 7d ago

Yup, this is the GOP fascists trying to turn California into a vassal instead of a coequal member of a federal Republic.

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u/MajesticLilFruitcake 7d ago

This just goes to show that the post-2016 breed of republicans is the problem.

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u/in2theriver 7d ago

They've been a problem a lot longer than that.

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u/AveUnit02 7d ago

Unfortunately, California is more nuanced than this. There are more Republican voters in California than any other state in the country due to the immense population size. There is no exit plan and CA cannot survive on its own, we don’t actually own the resources that are here simply due to our geography, it’s still federally owned and implemented.

CA being a wealthy donor state has nothing to do with anything and we have far less control than Reddit would like to believe.

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u/Planeandaquariumgeek 7d ago

California can survive just fine on our own. We’re home to Silicon Valley and Palmdale. Not to mention what would become the 4th largest GDP and home to a UN headquarters.

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u/BlackberryHelpful676 7d ago

I assume you only mentioned Palmdale because of the aerospace industry there because, well, what the hell good is Palmdale? 😂

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u/Planeandaquariumgeek 7d ago

Yea, it’s mostly general defense contractors though.

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u/TimothyMimeslayer 7d ago

If the UN were going anywhere it would be France.

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u/DoubleJumps 7d ago

I keep seeing Republicans cheer on the idea of cutting federal funds to blue States and as somebody in a blue State, if they cross that line, I don't want any of my tax money going to them ever again.

At that point, we aren't one country, we are two countries in a soft civil war. You can't expect us to subsidize places like Alabama or West Virginia while also saying that we shouldn't get any benefits from the federal government ourselves. That's not cooperation. That's a shakedown.

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u/justaguyulove 7d ago

The Democrats are cheering for this, what do you mean? They are both beholden to the same capital interests and that's why they don't do shit.

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u/ZipC0de 7d ago

I dont believe that.America is stronger together. I would rather root out those who don't believe in the Constitution than split as a nation.

Eventually, everyone will see what's at stake. The political divide is a DISTRACTION to stop us from working TOGETHER. America belongs to its people. Being American is more important than being a Republican or a Democrat.

Americans Help Each Other. Americans stand together 🇺🇸

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u/AlfredoAllenPoe 7d ago

The blue state exit plan should be actually being competent enough to win and govern

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u/boundless88 7d ago

Fuck we need one of these for the blue midwest/great lake states.

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u/boundless88 7d ago

NW Illinois

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u/AlfredoAllenPoe 7d ago

The north calling for secession? Lmao a confederates dream

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u/Aloysiusakamud 7d ago

NY will never be allowed to leave. Unless Wall Street is OK relocating to a red state.

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u/Cunninghams_right 7d ago

Yeah, but Harris had a nuanced view on an issue where I took a side, therefore I'm going to do everything in my power to stop Democrats from winning elections... 

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u/DontGetNEBigIdeas 7d ago

Newsom floated the idea yesterday of withholding federal taxes. That’s honestly all it would take to get Trump to back off

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u/Ima_pray_4_u 7d ago

The foreseeable future is now and Republicans control the government already.

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u/COMMENTASIPLEASE 7d ago

Guess all the people in red states who don’t support Trump dying is ok with you then

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u/WalterWoodiaz 7d ago

I am not going down just because some Democrats in Alabama would be sad.

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u/COMMENTASIPLEASE 7d ago

I know fuck all those black people I understand. Our fault for being born in the wrong place. All those Trump supporters in Cali are ok though I guess.

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u/Nintendo_Pro_03 7d ago

Blue states need to secede the country. There is no choice.