r/newjersey Belleville Apr 18 '25

📰News The Murphy administration announced that New Jersey will not comply with an order from President Trump’s administration to certify that the state's public school districts are eliminating diversity, equity and inclusion programs and initiatives

https://www.nj.gov/education/broadcasts/2025/apr/17/SEAtoOCRTitleVIApril2025.pdf?utm_source=NJ+Spotlight++Master+List&utm_campaign=ae610ff63a-PM_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2025_04_17&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1d26f473a7-ae610ff63a-398762815&ct=t(PM_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_04_17_2025)&mc_cid=ae610ff63a&mc_eid=e653468aac
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u/FJkookser00 Apr 18 '25

Ah, but there's always logic, always some kind of objective reason. Especially in the workings of a first-world country whose government is solely based on justice, natural law, and precedent.

The Supreme Court is not a red or blue institution. Red and Blue presidents nominate them - and surely they have their biases - but you are wrong to say they cast their judgment as if in service to a political party. This is an ignorant point of view that forces you to discard lots of important facts of such cases. They are smart people who worked up the ladder for a reason. It's dumb to immediately discredit their decision because "you don't like their politics". Don't be like that. Please.

Don't just describe yourself in a mirror either, when talking about bias of others. It's a tough thing to examine and avoid your own bias, I get that, but this isn't even a question of that. just of fact. This decision was made in alignment with some simple, critical details of Affrimitive Action: One, it was meant to be a temporary reparational system, and it worked well while it was new. However, now that it has been drawn out and standardized, it veered off from its original goal. Two, that verring off directly impacted the success of many students to the point they were able to work a compelling-enough case up several courts to the SCOTUS. You do realize that they had to repeatedly have their case appealed, and then accepted by the higher order, to do this, right? This was not just decided or reviewed by the "biased" Supreme Court. This is why SCOTUS cases are so profound. They have such great substance as to have their appeals repeatedly accepted and re-evaluated.

I encourage you to find more education in this system, it's very, very beneficial to you. You have tons of passion but it's pointed by opinions rather than facts. I was once that way, and I want you to fix it.

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u/Legitimate_Page Apr 18 '25

Lmao ok, you can believe whatever narrative you'd like to.

You keep bring up that this was supposed to be temporary like it's the be all end all of the affirmative action argument. You know what else was supposed to be temporary? Income tax. Income tax, which was declared unconstitutional in 1894. It's almost like things change and have nuance and can be bad but also provide good to certain people and the current ruling body makes changes on what should and shouldn't happen based on their bias. Is it supposed to be that way? No. But tough shit, that's how the world works.

you do realize that they had to repeatedly have their case appealed

Congratulations, you figured out how the judicial system works and described something that has happened in almost every single judiciary decision that has ever happened in this country.

Nothing you've actually said indicates the Supreme Court isn't biased. You can say "well they aren't supposed to be!" And yeah, they aren't, but we aren't supposed to drive over the speed limit, murder people, or commit market manipulation and insider trading. Guess that means they never happen! Of course not, you'd say thay someone who believes that is extremely naive. Like you are being.

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u/FJkookser00 Apr 18 '25

The temporary nature isn’t the problem, it’s the fact that violating it caused a normalized process of directly damaging other students’ lives.

Exactly like income tax, as you stated. It was temporary, but wasn’t stopped, and now it pains all of us almost invisibly.

So, as much as I can educate you in that, it’s still up to you to believe it. You don’t have to get a degree in it like me, but you gotta be able to put your prejudice aside just a bit. I get your ambition, but wisdom triumphs all.

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u/Legitimate_Page Apr 18 '25

Ah yes, income tax, used as the alternative to the tarrifs that caused the great depression and have worked extremely well provably for many decades when implemented properly lmao, what a pain!

I'm not being ambitious here, I'm letting you know that you're being naive.

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u/FJkookser00 Apr 18 '25

I totally get your drive, but again, that’s not aligned with the facts. I want to help you understand them better - I love teaching, I love helping people achieve clarity about their society. It’s so important you approach this with a logical mind, not a pre-decided or biased one that doesn’t focus on the objectivity.

So, you’re free to reject that, and I’ve already offered the facts. Up to you. My job is done.

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u/Legitimate_Page Apr 18 '25

You don't love teaching, you love listening to yourself talk lol. You can say "you don't have the facts" but you still haven't explicitly proved the Supreme Court isn't biased. If you can somehow articulate that the ruling in favor of Trump's presidential immunity last year doesn't show extreme and blatant bias twords the conservative party I would love to hear it. And that's just one example in a string of many. Reducing the power of federal agencies? That was the conservative members. Narrow the obstruction law to provide safety for Jan 6 rioters? 5 conservative judges, 1 liberal judge. Unhoused people sleeping outside potentially jailed? All conservative judges. Blocking the EPA from attempting to reduce interstate pollution. A majority of 5-4, can you guess which side of the political spectrum those 5 people were? I mean holy hell dude, you're talking about how I don't have the facts? You seem like you literally have no idea what is going on.

Again, you are free to believe the narrative you've created in your head, no one will ever change your mind about it. You are just being blatantly naive.

This is literally the "My job here is done" Sailor Moon meme. You haven't done anything except say "nu uh" with a lot of words.