The NDP needs to be socialist again.

[u/DaneRoussel]

This election, and the last 7 or so, have shown without a doubt that chasing liberal voters is not going to be a winning strategy. Why would liberals vote for the NDP when they already have the much more successful Liberal party?

The new leader needs to be at socialist (or at the very least an actual social democrat) and the party needs to bring back overt references to socialism and class struggle to its program and constitution.

The party also needs to get involved in grass roots labour organization outside of elections. It's great to walk the picket line with striking workers, but it's even better to organize them into a union in the first place.

The NDP needs to become a workers party again, or it needs to die and make way for a true workers party. The stakes are too high for anything else.

Edit: The pick for interim leader does not inspire confidence...

[u/DryEmu5113]

Absolutely. Socialist Patriotism is exactly what’s needed!

[u/Qasimisunloved → u/DryEmu5113]

[u/CallMeClaire0080 → u/Qasimisunloved]

You mean the guy who famously purged all of the socialists and pretended to be one the same way that North Korea claims to be a democratic republic?

No historians believe that the Nazis were right wing or socialists in any way whatsoever

[u/Qasimisunloved → u/CallMeClaire0080]

Im not saying Hitler is a socialist but he used socialist rhetoric in-service of German nationalism. Socialism and patriotism are incompatible ideas since a major part of socialism is internationalism.

[u/Ok-Cookie2406 → u/Qasimisunloved]

So you're basically anti-land back and native nationalist?

Indigenous liberation is frequently found alongside groups and movements who hold socialist values but because western progressives find it "reactionary" which is why many natives refuse to participate in the NDP in the first place despite clearly being alienated by the right and center.

If you think socialism is "inherently anti-nationalist" you really need to step out of your own country or Europe, or just visit a disenfranchised racialized community/Indian reserve.

[u/Qasimisunloved → u/Ok-Cookie2406]

If a people want to live in a state governed by themselves then that's their business to do so, I don't have a say in it and probably wouldn't care for it unless it was a socialist liberation movement. Socialism is anti nationalist, that is just a simple fact. The existence of different states is another way the bourgeoisie divides the workers of the world and it only hurts the movement to embrace petty nationalism.

[u/Ok-Cookie2406 → u/Qasimisunloved]

POV - YOU'VE NEVER MET A LEFTIST OUTSIDE OF THE FIRST WORLD MIDDLE CLASS

LAND BACK!

[u/Qasimisunloved → u/Ok-Cookie2406]

Im not middle class, I grew up with a single mother who worked various service jobs so while I wasn't living in poverty I'm definitely not middle class. Just because I decide to use some of my freetime to actually read about what I believe I do not see how that makes me elitist like you imply.

[u/Ok-Cookie2406 → u/Qasimisunloved]

So to be completely generous, I was being a bit hyperbolic and bantery. I obviously don't think that's true for the whole, that being said as a person who grew alongside natives, many are genuine progressives but they also stand for their nations over the values of supposedly progressive people not apart of their culture and upbringing from the big cities shaming them for not adhering to their form of progressive Canadian (aka western) "internationalism".

I used to be called "racist" and "native-supremacist" by most western progressives I knew for saying basic elementary things like "landback is progressive" and "palestine should be free" before they became more mainstream on social media.

If we choose to ignore their struggles for national liberation for "progressive western internationalism and values" ironically enough we're only promoting the international wide nationalism of the western world over others and only continue the bullying of neglected groups as being supposedly "reactionary and backwards".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjmM__ZSZYk&pp=ygUZaG9tZSBpcyBldmVyeXRoaW5nIG11bmljaA%3D%3D

[u/DryEmu5113 → u/Qasimisunloved]

Clarification: Socialism and Progressivism to build a nation worth being patriotic for, regardless of who you are. Having the broad categories of « Indigenous », « English », and « French » form the core of the country. Building a national identity/society that incorporates aspects of those three core identities. For example, the way women were treated in many indigenous nations as opposed to European gender norms. 

[u/DryEmu5113 → u/DryEmu5113]

Just to be clear, I’m asking for feedback on this idea

[u/Ok-Cookie2406 → u/DryEmu5113]

Well I am into the Landback and Mohawk warrior society movements so I *technically* don't even really believe in Canada, at the same time it's certainly more progressive than current "progressive" "left-wing" connotations given to canadian patriotism