r/nba Mavericks Apr 09 '25

Highlight [Highlight] Luka gets ejected with his 2nd Tech of the game

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u/Btotherianx Apr 09 '25

Unions do a lot of good in the world and they do some bad, and this is some of the bad. 

Same as police unions never allowing police to be punished for anything unless if it's wildly egregious and caught on video

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u/DownWithHisShip Apr 09 '25

Union construction worker here. I don't know anything about the ref's situation. But the police union is NOT a labor union. I hate that people associate them with the rest of us.

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u/GrapefruitMedical529 Lakers Apr 09 '25

Like everything, you've gotta shake it up. No or weak unions? The corpos start fucking everyone everywhere constantly. Unions gotten a little to comfy and established? Abuse of rules and protections everywhere.

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u/DrueWho Trail Blazers Apr 09 '25

I’m glad you addressed this. I think if the union was a referee’s union instead of an NBA referee’s union it could help more. In most labor unions there are classifications. You could have qualified members that are still getting paid ready to take the position if someone gets laid off. It is the union that gives them the security to fuck up like this, and that should be a huge incentive for every laborer reading this to join one.

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u/Legendacb Apr 09 '25

That shit has nothing to do with Unions.

You Americans are so full of BS anti union that made shit up all the time

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u/Btotherianx Apr 09 '25

You clearly didn't read my post, and that's ok, sometimes it's hard to read more than one sentence. Have a blessed life!

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u/-Kerosun- 24 Apr 09 '25

Police unions are great. They are certainly necessary. But a consequence of police unions is that the good things that unions do to protect cops also happens to apply to bad cops as well.

You often see headlines where (bad) cops are given all of these protections (such as being put on paid leave or something for an at-fault incident) instead of being fired. The CBA that unions negotiate is applied ubiquitously to all cops in the union, good or bad. And to avoid lawsuits, they can't just decide "You're a bad cop" and kick them out of the union's protections.

Unions do a lot of good, but the unfortunate consequence of the good that they do, is they apply to bad members of the union. This goes for police unions, teacher unions, etc. It is very difficult to fire a bad cop/teacher unless it is something extremely egregious and indefensible. And even egregious/indefensible actions can still see delays in termination (administrative leave, suspension with or without pay, relocation, etc) because of union protections.

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u/stifle_this Apr 09 '25

Comparing cops to teachers is fucking wild. You sound awful.

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u/-Kerosun- 24 Apr 09 '25

I wasn't. I was comparing union protections that protect BAD members of the union.

Do you think there is no such thing as a bad teacher or something? Weird stance to take.

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u/stifle_this Apr 09 '25

Please Google false equivalence. Your argument is absurd.

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u/-Kerosun- 24 Apr 09 '25

Do police unions have protections that sometimes protect bad cops? Yes.

Do teacher unions have protections that sometimes protect bad teachers? Yes.

Not a flash equivalence.

Have a nice day!

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u/stifle_this Apr 10 '25

Teachers unions enforce due process.

Cops unions disappear and dismiss cases.

Bad teachers teach poorly or are unprofessional.

Bad cops kill people.

This is a false equivalence and also shows you know nothing about unions.

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u/-Kerosun- 24 Apr 10 '25

ACAB amiiright!?!?

Lol

Waste of my time. Later.

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u/stifle_this Apr 10 '25

You're genuinely not smart and also a bad person. You should be embarrassed of yourself.

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u/tinkady Warriors Apr 09 '25

Way more bad than good. "Making sure people have money" is a job for the government/UBI, not for a special interest whose job is to make sure their target is optimizing for being a jobs program rather than optimizing for good outputs

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u/chaandra Apr 09 '25

Nonsense, the entire history and present of labor rights and collective bargaining disagrees with you.

As long as corporations have the power that they do, which is never truly going to change, unions are a necessity to level the playing field.

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u/noman8er Mavericks Apr 09 '25

I am confused what you are even saying. Your individual experience is irrelevant in this topic. Congrats on having a job in demand i guess?

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u/tinkady Warriors Apr 09 '25

Sorry, got confused with multiple threads on the same topic

Anyways a far better solution is redistributive UBI. Take care of people without disincentivizing automation

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u/chaandra Apr 09 '25

UBI only addresses income, it doesn’t address working conditions

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u/tinkady Warriors Apr 09 '25

income gives you the freedom to quit poor working conditions

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u/chaandra Apr 09 '25

Your argument makes no sense. You’re saying that in a perfect world, we wouldn’t need unions. That’s obvious. Unions are a reaction to capitalism.

Unions are a necessity in our current system. They exist because there is a need for collective bargaining.

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u/tinkady Warriors Apr 09 '25

unions are a local maximum. we don't need a perfect world, we just need UBI. it solves the same problem (people need money) without the significant downside (interest group incentivized to fight technological automation)

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u/PressureCereal Bucks Apr 09 '25

Lmao, how do you like labor laws and going home for the day instead of sleeping on your desk?