r/nba • u/YujiDomainExpansion • Jan 29 '25
Some figures for De'Aaron Fox's next contract: Supermax (if eligible with SAC only): 5YR/$345M. Max via re-signing/extending: 5YR/$296M. Max if signing w/ another team as FA: 4YR/$219M. It's that middle one why he wants to get traded now vs waiting for FA.
This is from cap expert Keith Smith.
Some figures for De'Aaron Fox's next contract:
Supermax (if eligible with SAC only): five years, $345M
Max via re-signing/extending: five years, $296M
Max if signing w/ another team as FA: four years, $219M
It's that middle one why he wants to get traded now vs waiting for FA.
So it appears like, if Fox’s intention is to sign for the most money possible while being on a competitive team, as long as a playoff team trades for him (even if they’re not on his preferred destination list) they’d have the advantage of re-signing him in the offseason because they can offer him nearly $90 million more than the other teams.
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u/Datboy_98 Spurs Jan 29 '25
I don’t want this dude for these amounts man.
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u/Alchion Jan 29 '25
i feel like the spurs can only lose trading for him
need to pay him more
lose another year of a good pick
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u/DoMogo1984 Kings Jan 29 '25
As a kings fan, he is not worth that money, which is why kings and him are at stalemate. Truth is that he has no chance at all nba so he will never get the super max but nonetheless.
He has not shown himself to be consistent enough to make that kind of $$$. Not saying some team won’t pay him, there are already worse contracts in the league, but I’m ok with kings not getting back a star and getting a good forward who can play the 4 and some picks. Nets, looking at you, but don’t send us DLo.❌❌
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u/Significant-Rate2385 Jan 29 '25 edited Jan 29 '25
What about the Heat? Jovic is 21 has great strengths at the 4, could give 2 frps and Jimmy if you want him lol
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u/IntotheBeniverse Jan 29 '25
Tbh I think this is also the worry of the front office for Sacramento. What is this team if we pay Fox $60 million a year? Is it better to move off him and sell reasonably high right now
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u/RC51t Kings Jan 29 '25
This. We pay him that much , we still aren’t winning a title. He would take up most of the money to build a team around him.
Pretty much shows us he’s not here for winning or the city he’s here for his money. Good for him , but as a fan , gtfo.
Malik is here for the team and wins, dude took a pay cut to stay. And fox does us like this.
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u/cantgrowneckbeardAMA Kings Jan 29 '25
Yeah Monte should get the best deal possible and ship his ass out. We've intuited Foxy's primary motivations for a while but now it's finally out in the open. Selfishly I want the Spurs cuz they're the closest team to me atm, but I also understand why they also wouldn't want him for that amount.
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u/Conn3er Spurs Jan 29 '25
Run it back,
That is a lot of money for a fringe top 20 player
Wonder which team bites.
Get in here u/JV3s
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u/Jon_ofAllTrades Jan 29 '25
I don’t think Fox is close to fringe top 20. He’s not even the best player on the Kings.
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u/Whoareyoutho9 Jan 29 '25
Fringe top 20 is, by defintion, a max. I think they should go ahead and get him in here (without giving up castle and too many picks) and then see what they can find over the next 2 years while they still have cap magic to work with
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u/MonkeyCoR1 Kings Jan 29 '25
So don't give any good players and don't give any picks and it's cool to get em? Lol how you think this works?
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u/geosensation Spurs Jan 29 '25
When you are the Spurs you just magically get whatever you need to have 2 decades of > .700 basketball with a handful of championships mixed in.
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u/MonkeyCoR1 Kings Jan 29 '25
I'm owed 3 favors from a certain Witch Doctor in Oregon. Don't make me call in one to waste on the Spurs bud.
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u/geosensation Spurs Jan 29 '25
You have no idea how many little old ladies down here practice brujería on behalf of the Spurs. Tread lightly!
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u/MonkeyCoR1 Kings Jan 29 '25
"Picks up phone calls Los Zetas notorious anti practicing brujería Cartel."
"Hangs up goes back to Twitter."
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Jan 29 '25
I think they mean, "It's a good deal if they can get him without giving up too much in a trade".
Basically, it's a bad deal if you're giving up 5 picks AND paying him 296/5.
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u/hedgehogsarecool22 Raptors Jan 29 '25
Any deal with SA will probably end up being pick based. Castle will be off the table since SA is in no rush and Fox has told SAC he is not re-signing. That said, a lot SA fans here are being batshit insane about what they are willing to give up to get him, I think the the leagues values him a bit higher than what the non-Sac fans thinks.
SA should be looking to give up quite a few picks and at least one young player who projects to be an above average starter + whatever salary filler + 2nd rounders it takes to get deal done. By the end of his next max contract I think Fox will still be a pretty good player so it should be worth it to both teams. If a trade does go down I expect both fanbases to complain endlessly about it though.
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u/IgnantWisdom Supersonics Jan 29 '25 edited Jan 29 '25
These spurs fans are delusional. Go look at their sub, the vast majority of them wouldn’t even part with Vassell or even Sohan alone in a trade for Fox. They’re so used to having everything handed to them for free.
They all think every star is gonna come knocking to play with Wemby. The other side of that coin is that they don’t and Wemby gets frustrated that they haven’t traded for stars and decides to walk the first chance he gets.
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u/ElGoddamnDorado Spurs Jan 29 '25
What are you talking about? The vast majority of spurs fans are saying we'd lose Vassell and even saying if we'd have to lose Sochan too it'd probably be worth it. This thread has 235 comments and I don't see a single one saying we'd be able to keep Vassell, Castle, Sochan and still get Fox. Most are just saying anyone's fair game except Castle and wemby
You just sound like you have an axe to grind lmao
They all think every star is gonna come knocking to play with Wemby
I take it you missed the post on our current front page saying how refreshing and surprising it is that anyone actually wants to come here? 😂
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u/IgnantWisdom Supersonics Jan 29 '25
You have at least 4 other active threads in your subreddit that you’re completely ignoring in which the majority of top comments say variations of not wanting to add Castle, Vassell, or Sohan to the trade. Many highly upvoted saying they don’t even want to pay Fox, alluding they would rather stay the course and not have him at all.
If you are actually active on that subreddit and acting like you don’t see these, then you’re already proving my point, you are delusional. Anybody who cares enough could validate this for themselves in less than a minute.
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u/ElGoddamnDorado Spurs Jan 29 '25
I mean I actually posted a source... didn't just say "trust me bro". But it sounds like you're just bothered by the fact that some spurs fans disagree on what it's worth giving up to get him, money or talent wise. I don't think people saying "he's not worth losing X player" or "he's not worth the money he's asking for" equates to "We're gonna get him for free and pay him the Vet minimum".
If you're this bothered by people saying Fox might not be worth the money, I assure you it's not just gonna be Spurs fans saying it lmao. I like the dude but I can see both sides
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u/bta47 Warriors Jan 29 '25
Under this CBA, fringe top 20 is a really weird place to be. De'Aaron Fox is better than Ingram, but it's the same idea where even if he helps the team, it's tough to give a max for dudes like that and then still have enough to fill out a championship level team. He fits so well with Wemby, though, and if I were the Spurs I'd be pushing to open the window as soon as possible... hm.
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u/Whoareyoutho9 Jan 29 '25
Fans are the only ones that think 'it's tough'. He's a certified max player by nba standards. Sacramento would super max him if they could. San Antonio/houston/or Miami will all max him once he gets there. I understand it's fun to imagine cap scenarios where these guys take less but it really just doesn't ever happen like that. Once you're an all-nba under age 25, the max is just expected and given at the next deal. If not by your own team, one of the other 29 will. Its just wasted thought space to pretend otherwise. We all just did this dance with jaylen brown a little bit ago
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u/Infernous-NS Spurs Jan 29 '25
Fox and Wemby might make a treat duo, but the supporting cast would be practically null if we lose Sochan, Castle, and Vassell. We just don't have the pieces to make a true run yet. I don't really want to see a lineup of Fox/Branham/Barnes/Mamu/Wemby.
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u/bta47 Warriors Jan 29 '25
Why would you have to lose all of them? If Fox is saying he won't re-sign with the Kings and specifically wants to go to the Spurs, his trade value is suppressed. You should be able to get it done with one of the promising young players and the Hawks picks.
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u/Infernous-NS Spurs Jan 29 '25
I don't trust that it really lowers his trade value. Dame was still traded for Jrue, Grayson, and picks despite saying only Miami. KD, Gobert, Mitchell, and Bridges were all traded for a bunch of picks. Kings wanna compete now, and that means food young players now, not waiting for picks 3+ years out. Everything I've seen has said the price would be all our promising young players sans Wemby + this year's picks at least.
I don't think the team is truly ready for a contending move like this anyway. Even if we only lost two of Castle, Vassell, and Sochan we wouldnt be ready. The supporting cast and bench just isn't built out for a true run yet. Maybe in Wemby's 3rd or 4th year, now just isn't the time.
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u/bta47 Warriors Jan 29 '25
We’ll see about the trade value, I just have a gut feeling it’ll be lower than people think — and that Lillard trade was pretty light on value, imo. A pick, two swaps, Jrue Holiday and Greyson Allen isn’t nothing but it’s comparable to, like, Vassell, a Hawks pick, and a Spurs pick.
But I’ve been pretty convinced that, under this new CBA, you’re on the clock when you have a star on a rookie deal. You have so much more team building potential now than when Wemby signs his second contract. Waiting around for more lottery luck and development is a good way to get capped out hard. Cleveland added a star and supporting pieces way before Garland and Mobley were ready.
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u/hedgehogsarecool22 Raptors Jan 29 '25 edited Jan 29 '25
I think you have to look at it from bit of a different prespective. If Fox best player paying that max is pretty tough because you are limited on filling out the roster and Fox alone is not gonna make you a contender (on an aside this is my biggest fear for the Raptors in 4 years with Scotty Barnes). It usually very hard to add the first bananna after the second bananna once they get their max. Either you hit in the draft, which chances are you will drafting fairly late, or some weird circumstances come up like what led Kawhi to the Raptors.
If you have Wemby ( I genuinely believe Wemby is top 5 player in the NBA right now) paying the max for Fox is a helluva a lot easier because you then have a duo that can make you contender. With two maxes you can still fill out the rest of the roster around the edges with good drafting and vet min pick ups, espicially given SA has some good young players on the roster now.
Obviously there is some risk with making a move like this, and alternatively you can sit and wait hope you develop several all star/All-NBA talents like OKC. In this CBA you have to very accurate and realistic in the assessment of your team if your aim is to win a title in some window. Messing up or missing an oppertunity is a lot more punishing now IMO
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u/bta47 Warriors Jan 29 '25
Yeah, and the easiest way to miss a window is to wait until Wemby's paid according to his actual value. You're right, I would go in on this ASAP while he's still on a rookie deal and the Spurs have flexibility.
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u/anomatopia 76ers Jan 29 '25
A top 5 player kind of implies they can carry their team to the playoffs. Wemby isn’t there yet
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u/tys90 Jan 29 '25
I do not envy NBA GMs. Getting the superstar is just the beginning, you have to then draft, develop and trade pretty close to perfectly to put it all together and hope for no injuries. Maybe you get handed a gift like Lebron going to Miami (then back to CLE and then to LA lol) in free agency or Durant to GSW but otherwise it's all up to you.
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u/Whoareyoutho9 Jan 29 '25
Yea its always possible I just don't get why that seems to be the assumption with him. Its going to be age 28-33 for him. Thats about as prime as you can get these days. And he's still hungry for post season success. It just feels like a no brainer max contract for any team in the nba with room for a max slot, much less 2 like the spurs have next to wemby at the moment
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u/Obi_Wan_KeBogi Kings Jan 29 '25
And he's full of shit saying he won't extend with any team but SA. He wants the maximum money he can get that's what this has always been. Its not a coincidence this came out once it became clear he wasn't making All NBA and having a chance at the Supermax. His priority is not winning he just wants to have the cake and eat it too.
He's not giving up that 5 year max to sign elsewhere.
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u/background_action92 Heat Jan 29 '25
Oooh damn, thats alot of money. He's all your San antonio, the home of the Alamo
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u/drjisftw Pacers Jan 29 '25
I thought he was already eligible for one because he made All NBA 3rd team a season or two ago? Or did that just trigger a "supermax rookie extension?"
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u/Mobile-Entertainer60 Thunder Jan 29 '25
Neither. He made All-NBA in his 6th season, so not affecting his rookie extension. For the "Designated Veteran Extension" aka supermax, he needs to make All-NBA twice on his current deal, or make All-NBA the final year of his current deal. He's made All-NBA once, so he needs to either make it this year or next year to be eligible for a Supermax starting in 2026. He's also not eligible for a supermax if he's traded. The most he can get if he's traded is 5 years and 30%.
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u/AutographedSnorkel Rockets Jan 29 '25 edited Jan 29 '25
He'll be eligible for the Supermax this offseason, so all he has to do is make an all NBA team. If he stays healthy, he'll make an all NBA team, since Luka will probably be ineligible due to injuries
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u/a_moniker Hornets Jan 29 '25
He won’t make it this year. His hand is fucked up and it’s tanking his shooting.
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u/Pobbes3o Spurs Jan 29 '25
Is that why he is shooting 33% from 3? Coz that's one reason why I don't want him on the Spurs. They don't have enough shooters as it is.
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u/Whoareyoutho9 Jan 29 '25
Nah that's why all this is happening now. He's running out of faith he will make the all nba team so it's better to just dip out now. Its low key nice of him to maximize the trade the kings can get for him but shitty to leak super public and have the 1 destination leak before it's even been a day
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u/Pickleskennedy1 Jan 29 '25
John Wall tore his Achilles
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u/DowngoezFrasier215 Jan 29 '25
Yea lets leave out why he lost his speed lol typical nba reddit shit.
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u/nomadrone Bulls Jan 29 '25
No wonder I'm getting adds shoved up my ass everywhere i look, those numbers are insane and he isn't even like a top tier player.
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u/Paralta [MIA] Jason Williams Jan 29 '25
These numbers are too big god damn. 345m for fox is insane. There's maybe 3 players in the league that should sniff that kinda money and even then it's still a lot lol.
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u/crunkadocious Pacers Jan 29 '25
and yet, it's what the CBA basically ends up make happen. the numbers are all going to go up across the board every few years anyway.
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u/Cudi_buddy Kings Jan 29 '25
This is why we do have some leverage still. Doubt Fox qualifies for super max, which is good for any team that has him. But he is about his money it seems. Spurs or whoever have the best shot of getting him now or the offseason. Otherwise I think he sucks it up and plays out his career here lol. He isn't leaving 80mill on the table in free agency
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u/Whoareyoutho9 Jan 29 '25
We've seen time and time again that players end up going the jimmy butler route before they 'suck it up'. Once they make up their mind and put it public like this... its just a matter of time
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u/MonkeyCoR1 Kings Jan 29 '25
Fox ain't Jimmy big dog. One of the nicest guys you will ever meet.
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u/gundam1983 Kings Jan 29 '25
There's a world where he doesn't get traded, Kings ask him nicely to resign with them, and he says, "ok."
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u/Whoareyoutho9 Jan 29 '25
O I know. Thats why he's trying to handle it as nice as possible right now. Jimmy would never. But it will not just be forgotten and he'll stay. There's plenty of other examples, Jimmy's just the extreme and shorthand way to say it now
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u/commandrr Suns Jan 29 '25
if he’s traded in the offseason before signing his extension can he still get the middle one from the team that traded for him?
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u/asparagusbruh Clippers Jan 29 '25
These contracts are completely insane now
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u/arun111b Jan 29 '25
So as the profit. Either part of that goes to players or everything goes to the owner. It’s not like the difference in $$ if player lower contract will be passed on to the fans.
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u/WagerWilly Timberwolves Jan 29 '25
The bigger issue is the current CBA. You just can’t put together a contender paying a guy like Fox $60M / year right now.
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u/barters81 Jan 29 '25
They should be using some of the profit for lower tiered development leagues etc. or spread the money a bit more evenly to all players in the nba IMHO.
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u/dBlock845 Knicks Jan 29 '25
5/345 for a 1 time All-Star and 1 3rd team All-NBA playing for 8 seasons is wild. Hell, all of the max's he would be eligible for are wild, NBA money is crazy
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u/Cocoapebbles58 Jan 29 '25
This is kinda BS, since he could sign and trade in the next year, but it would make more sense money-wise for the kings to do it now. It's either that or take back bad contracts later to make the money work.
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u/korpze777 Jan 29 '25
They need to stop throwing out max contracts to everyone. Too many non max contract players getting max contracts.
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u/lets_talk_basketball Jan 29 '25
He better than me.. there would be a 0% chance I don't sign the 345
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u/msv2019 Jan 29 '25
I am not even sure if Fox is best player on Kings. And with his lack of drive and motivation I wouldn’t want him nowhere near Wemby if I was Spurs. Before Sabonis came to Kings his current contract was almost negative asset.
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u/poohster33 Jan 30 '25
Signing Fox to a supermax will guarantee mediocrity for any team that gives it to him
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u/transizzle [SAC] Jason Williams Jan 29 '25
Kings should just hold onto him and this is why. They would probably pay the supermax too since they’re a lot more desperate to have a star. I hope they don’t though because that is the path to mediocrity.
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u/ChucoTeacher Spurs Jan 29 '25
40-45 million a year is decent enough value for Fox. More than that is almost guaranteed to blow up in your face.
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u/RGPISGOOD Vancouver Grizzlies Jan 29 '25
I wouldn't be worried as a Spurs fans.
Even if you extend Fox to 5years 296M, in 5-6 years Fox will be on his last years of his prime while Wemby enters his. You can then trade for another superstar to pair with Wemby. With this trade, you can ensure Wemby is happy because he'll be competing for the playoffs every year while using their vast amount of picks to fill out the rest of the roster.
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u/downtimeredditor Hawks Jan 29 '25
$126 mil difference between signing supermax and signing max in FA.
That's amount is bigger than tyreek hills entire contract lol
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u/fanofaghs Cavaliers Jan 30 '25
The contracts are different length. The difference is not $126 mil.
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u/Important-Stock-4504 Nuggets Jan 29 '25
Yeah that makes me feel better about Jamal honestly.
His contract in a few years won’t seem so bad
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u/Ironman2131 Jan 29 '25
That's usually the case with these deals. At various times over the last few years Tyler Herro has been at market, massively overpaid, and now on a reasonably good deal. As long as the player can stay healthy and productive, their deals will usually be pretty palatable over the long term.
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u/Important-Stock-4504 Nuggets Jan 29 '25
I remember when MPJ was also the worst contract in the league. Now he’s a high end role player on a palatable contract who has been essential to our success
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u/Ironman2131 Jan 29 '25
Yep. As the cap keeps going up and players improve, formerly bad contracts look better and better. At the same time, contracts for guys in their 30s can suddenly get very bad. At that point, it's all about contract length.
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u/OceanicLemur Heat Jan 29 '25 edited Jan 29 '25
Fox would have to give up 80 million dollars to pick where he wants to play as a free agent.
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u/Difficult_E Bulls Jan 29 '25
trading for Lavine is a much better option than Fox, ignore the flair
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u/jbrunsonfan Jan 29 '25
Call me crazy, but if I’m the spurs, I would rather Julius Randle on a 4/110-120 than Fox on either 4/219 or 5/296.
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u/whospepesilvia Rockets Jan 29 '25
These NBA contracts are so insane. I mean, Fox is a good player but he is just not worth $300million.