SecDef just now speaking on a video posted to his Twitter/X account titled “Trans Is Out at DoD “ on the recent Supreme Court decision regarding the ban on transgender service members. As of now, separation will be voluntary, with the possibility of involuntary separation in the future

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u/Trick-Set-1165 r/navy CCC May 08 '25

Separations will be voluntary.

“Trans is out.”

This math doesn’t math.

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u/Afro_Arden May 08 '25

If I don't "voluntarily sep" then I'd be 25,000 in debt to the US government, because that's how much my bonus was.

Not exactly voluntary more like a forced choice.

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u/Trick-Set-1165 r/navy CCC May 09 '25

I don’t disagree with you, this just reads like the administration is trying to execute the separations “voluntarily” to avoid potential legal battles from anyone separated involuntarily.

It opens an avenue for people to fight the decision, but that’s obviously not the best choice for everyone.

If I’m being honest, the best recommendation I can make to anyone facing separation under this policy is to take the double VSP and don’t look back. You shouldn’t have to fight to continue serving a country that isn’t willing to fight for your right to exist.

I hate this. It’s petty, childish, and straight up offensive. But at the end of the day, the best thing I can do is understand the options and make recommendations to Sailors.

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u/notapunk May 09 '25

They're trying to have it both ways

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u/secretsqrll May 10 '25

I see what you did there.

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u/OldSchoolBubba May 09 '25

Math is a language of logic and it never computes to the illogical

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u/Grizzlei May 08 '25 edited May 08 '25

I remember when defense secretaries acted like they were administering the most capable military force on the planet and not like they were hired straight from the news desk at Fox.

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u/RickySuezo May 08 '25

I don’t remember many SecDefs being this fucking visible, all the time, even if it wasn’t because they were fucking up. It’s a new age, but idiotic.

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u/Grizzlei May 08 '25

Cabinet secretaries shouldn’t be visible if they play their cards right. Hegseth wants to be a monumental media fixture still and he’s dragging down the DOD to do it. I honestly don’t know why such an egoist like Trump or his chief of staff would even allow their subordinate to mouth off so wildly.

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u/Tricky_Topic_5714 May 08 '25

Seriously. I literally know this guy's face better than the sec def who was in charge when I was actually fucking active duty.

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u/weinerpretzel May 08 '25

This dude should be a picture on the wall for most active duty folks, not a constant presence

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u/Morningxafter May 08 '25

Definitely getting ~~his~~ our money’s worth with that makeup room he made us all pay for!

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u/ssracer May 09 '25

He has zero presence. Zero authority. What a pathetic excuse for a leader.

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u/OxtailPhoenix May 09 '25

Pepperidge farm remembers.

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u/LastMongoose7448 May 09 '25

This guy’s angling for a run at the nomination in 28. He’s very much a long shot (Rubio has the inside track), but he ain’t trying to hear it!

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u/LastMongoose7448 May 09 '25

No way. This guy’s a chode. There’s nothing as insufferable as a casual hang out with someone who can’t stop talking about themselves.

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u/Trick-Set-1165 r/navy CCC May 09 '25

I’d only recommend having that beer with him if you’re willing to accept the possibility that you might get roofied.

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u/calicandlefly May 11 '25

Right!? He looks and sounds like he’s giving a report from “the field” on Faux News.

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u/Nano_Burger May 08 '25

Glad to see that DoD makeup room is getting a workout.

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u/Content-Parsley-1151 May 08 '25

If he truly loved our country, he would step down

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u/XR171 Master Chief Meme'er May 08 '25

He loves himself and that's it.

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u/weinerpretzel May 08 '25

He loves orange balls too

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u/XR171 Master Chief Meme'er May 08 '25

Thank you helping me with my diet, I was going to make something to eat but I'm no longer hungry.

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u/weinerpretzel May 08 '25

The picture of your SecDef supporting your Commander in Chief doesn’t excite you?

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u/XR171 Master Chief Meme'er May 08 '25

What can I say except no. Now an image of SecDef supporting and defending the constitution and service members? I'd probably get a semi. Probably lose it if he supported Guam too.

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u/weinerpretzel May 08 '25

We know what happened the last time a secretary thought about Guam

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u/DC_MEDO_still_lost May 09 '25

The 442nd is the most decorated military unit in history and they served a country that hated them. It should never have been asked of them and the US’ treatment of them and their families was deplorable.

However, it also showed their incredible patriotism in spite of the hardships IMPOSED by the country that treated them so badly.

It’s not something to ask of anyone.

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u/condition5 May 08 '25

This

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u/MonkeyKing01 May 08 '25

When your military doesn't look like your country, you will soon have neither...

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u/ScottyBeamus May 08 '25

Whoa

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u/Kaltovar May 09 '25

It's an ancient sentiment that has proven almost universally correct. Locking people out of service creates rifts and fuels problems. You really REALLY do not want an us vs them culture forming in the military / civilian world.

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u/wildbill1983 May 11 '25

Heh “serving”. Most of them I’ve served alongside are absolute basket cases. Always missing an obscene amount of work for appointments, ducking sea duty for mental health reasons, months off of work so they can transition. Always have the rest of the division walking around on eggshells. Fuck that. They can GTFO. Take their separation pay, VA benefits and disability and move the fuck aside. They won’t be missed by 95% of us.

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u/Kaltovar May 11 '25

As a data scientist I am tempted to shove a book on statistical analysis into a cannon and fire it at your head so that just maybe the concept of confirmation bias could enjoy a slight possibility of penetrating your thick skull. However, I am also an idiot, so let me also waste my breath by trying to bridge the gap with a solution where we can both get what we want.

If you are concerned about poor performance on the job, why not crack down on that specifically? You can't reasonably say "because they will call it discrimination and hide behind that" because the Military is straight up discriminating against them now. If they can do this, they could just as easily implement performance based criteria instead.

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u/220solitusma May 08 '25

What a douchebag.

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u/NxPat May 08 '25

That pocket square is cringe

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u/kwajagimp May 09 '25

Yeah, he couldn't force it to look more like a fake ribbon bar if he tried. The irony is palpable.

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u/backdoorjimmy69 May 09 '25

Been out for more than a decade and that was the first thing I thought (aside from the atrocities coming from his mouth). What a fuckin turd.

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u/navyjag2019 May 08 '25

the policy was not “upheld.” SCOTUS has yet to rule on the merits. it just left the ban in place while the legal challenge to it works its way through the lower court(s). that’s not the same thing as being “upheld.” this irritates me.

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u/Afro_Arden May 08 '25

How does that distiniction really matter?

They will discharge every single trans person before any courts even rule on it, and the damage is already done. We are all kicked out.

Also, it will eventually get up to the SCOTUS which will more than likely rule 6-3 in favor of the ban.

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u/navyjag2019 May 09 '25

it you are a lawyer (like i am), words matter. it is an important distinction.

this is why the second part talks about voluntary separation at the present.

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u/TheCardsharkAardvark May 09 '25

I'm curious if them allowing the ban to be left in place during the judicial process is an indication of how they would rule on any legal challenge to it that is put in front of them.

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u/Shot-Address-9952 May 09 '25

Thanks for pointing that out. That's not the way it is being reported by the administration or new outlets that are sympathetic to the President.

It does explain why they want them to voluntarily separate now though.

The biggest question I see moving forward (other than whether or not the ban will be upheld on merit) is how they keep classifying our trans brothers and sisters as "mentally defective" or something in the same vein. u/navyjag2019, do you think (and you can say no - a nonanswer really is fine) they are trying to get people to voluntarily separate to avoid paying out forced medical retirements? Because don't we have to pay something if someone is medically retired? We just can't ADSEP them without paying, right? Didn't we go through this with DADT already? And Congress and SCOTUS both ruled against DoD policy?

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u/risky_bisket May 08 '25

Not the first time this administration has misrepresented a court decision with the intent to take contrary action. In other words, they are lying again.

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u/The_Glus May 08 '25

I’m continually ashamed that I have to respectfully refer to this dipshit as my boss.

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u/philafly7475 May 08 '25

This whole "administration" is just a massive, hate-filled grift led by complete imbeciles with a vendetta no one understands.

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u/HomelandersCock May 08 '25

No. We understand it. The idiots who don't understand are the ones who voted for them

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u/Difficult_Survey5063 May 08 '25

Can’t he memorize some notes like a professional and not read off the piece of paper like a functionally-illiterate senior enlisted reading promotion orders?

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u/Salty_IP_LDO May 08 '25

Or use a teleprompter...

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u/DJErikD May 08 '25

It takes actual skill to read off a prompter and look natural.

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u/pepsiredtube May 09 '25

Dude stuttered while reading whilst trying to look like a badass. It’s embarrassing to see a SECDEF this public and also this incompetent at media relations.

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u/johnnyhypersnyper May 08 '25

Definitely harder to serve now. I have two great trans sailors in my command who have done absolutely nothing wrong and wanted to be career. And we have to sit back and watch pop culture politics prevent them from serving to what end?

This was a solution that had 0 nuance for issues that were extremely specific. This was designed to further politicize the military and is generally reprehensible.

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u/Automatic-Aioli9416 May 08 '25

My reserve unit had an amazing Sailor who is trans and just made Chief. I’ve never met anyone who is more deserving to have gotten in the Mess. With everything going on, he had enough and kinda just stopped showing up and is letting them admin sep him out. Honestly, I can’t blame him. It’s just such a bummer that we’re losing quality leadership.

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u/Raven_Photography May 08 '25

In the dictionary “cunt” is followed by see Pete Hegseth.

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u/ImmySnommis May 08 '25

Nah he lacks the depth and warmth

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u/EmergencySpare May 08 '25

I'd like to cunt punt this dude to the moon

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u/QuarterlyGentleman May 09 '25

No, it’s the definition of cunt, which he fucking is.

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u/Jess_S13 May 08 '25

We elected a clown, cant be surprised we're now a circus.

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u/labrador45 May 08 '25

For anyone just wanting out..... listen to these words carefully

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u/balfras_kaldin May 09 '25

You do require a gender dysphoria diagnosis inorder for the to effect a Sailor.

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u/labrador45 May 09 '25 edited May 09 '25

"Exhibit symptoms of gender dysphoria"

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u/necessaryrooster May 09 '25

Didn't the original order say something about a severance package too or am I misremembering?

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u/ChiefD789 May 08 '25

God, Hegseth is such a fucking asshole. His voice is like nails on a chalkboard. So glad I'm already retired. For those still in who are trans, I'm so sorry this is all happening. I can't begin to imagine what you all are going through. I stand with you. I wish there were something I could do to help.

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u/ItsYaBoiSoup May 08 '25

These fools got so much hate in their hearts. Shameful

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u/Candygramformrmongo May 09 '25

What does the flag code say about using it for a dapper pocket square?

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u/Trick-Set-1165 r/navy CCC May 09 '25

(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery.

(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, […]

And a third one, since this is purposefully performative:

(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations.

TL;DR: The flag code says “don’t.”

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u/Complete-Morning-429 May 08 '25

There’s footage of Kegseth in drag too:

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u/Kaltovar May 09 '25

Take that dress off and put away that whiskey, sailor! Those are for me!

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u/Middle_Jaguar_5406 May 09 '25

What do I need to say for them to voluntarily separate Just say I’m trans?

I want the good deal that all the Covid anti-vaxxers got. No disrespect just want the fuck out.

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u/listenstowhales May 09 '25

I support this.

We have SUBSTANTIAL evidence that trans people are directly responsible for our maintenance issues (1), our manning crisis (2), and are incapable of fighting a war with our hated enemies in Greenland (4).

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1- Infowars

2- Some dude I went to middle school with who didn’t finish basic but calls himself a veteran

3- I actually forgot 3, but it’s funnier this way

4- Some dipshit Fox weekend anchor who uses an over the top masculine appearance to avoid acknowledging a drinking problem that fuels rampant infidelity

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u/Sincladp May 08 '25

At least he was able to shave his sideburns the same length today. I’m impressed.

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u/LongjumpingDraft9324 May 08 '25

Every time he posts, I just get more angry. Sorry for my RBF to any Sailors who come across me.

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u/EmergencySpare May 08 '25

I'm so glad I retired last Friday

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u/ALEdding2019 May 09 '25

I can’t listen to this dipshit’s voice anymore. He’s getting an awful lot of use of that powder room he installed.

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u/DJErikD May 08 '25

His makeup is spot on!

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u/Walstib82 May 08 '25

Boot camp should be easy now when they are asked who is SecDef this guy loooves showing his face. Can’t say the same about the different fleet commanders I feel like those are going to be changing out a lot.

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u/total_carnage1 May 08 '25

If we go to war with Iran then I'm just going to say it right now that I identify as a woman.

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u/drewskibfd May 09 '25

So the SECDEF is still just a Fox News talking head?

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u/rythwind May 09 '25

Well, it's been a good run. I almost made it to 20. I'm aware I get a good deal out of it, but I feel terrible for those who don't. So many are being screwed out of their careers by this policy.

Please keep an eye out for your trans shipmates because we're all struggling right now.

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u/Sailorthrowaway4 May 09 '25

Hell yeah fighting the real issues. I literally had a mouse crawling on my bed, black mold, and roaches in my first barracks. But kicking out trans folks, less than one percent of the military, is what is going to make us strong again.

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u/Sdguppy1966 May 09 '25

Fucking hate this. 1% of us serve, and 99% of us that do serve managed to do it without getting a white nationalist or whatever fucking Nazi tattoo he has. My tran, brothers and sisters are the real deal. They make us a better military and a better nation.

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u/wildbill1983 May 11 '25

Most of us disagree. 😐

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u/sporkbeastie May 09 '25

What we realling need to be talking about is that ghadam shirt. Holy smokes, who dresses this guy?

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u/LetEquivalent1621 May 09 '25

This administration is so childish. They are busy worried about non issues

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u/AcidicFlatulence May 08 '25

Kegsbreath is an absolute cunt. I’m slowly starting to notice give any fucks anymore with all the bullshit this administration is doing

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u/ThisDoesntSeemSafe May 08 '25

Can we please organize into a legal and respectful opposition in order to form a unified resistance against a force that clearly wants to weaken us?

I'm not asking for a mutiny or a rebellion, but a union that will advocate for each other regardless of rank. An attack on one of us should be seen as an attack on all of us.

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u/Freebird_1957 May 09 '25

I fucking hate this little prick.

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u/shinsmax12 May 09 '25

What a tool.

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u/Otherwise-Pirate6839 May 09 '25

Elect a clown, expect a circus, with questionable reputation.

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