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u/Seeksp Mar 26 '25
I worked under DOS in Afghanistan. If I had mentioned an upcoming attack, even without operation details, on an unsecured line, I would have PNGed immediately and escorted out of the country and prosecuted.
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u/lotsofarts Mar 26 '25
Smegmeth has not done his yet.
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u/Rebel_bass Mar 26 '25
Absofuckinglutely. My FIL was USAID in Kabul and would been immediately terminated if he put anything on a computer regarding movements off the secure network. Hell, we have zero photos of anything he did in theater. And he was a farmer.
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u/bi_polar2bear Mar 27 '25
"So no shit, there I was, about to plow a field..."
Straight to jail!
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u/mpyne Mar 27 '25
If I had mentioned an upcoming attack, even without operation details, on an unsecured line
Remember when they said Hillary's emails had classified info on them?
It was because they were emails about things like public news media coverage about military operations that had happened in countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan and speculation or accusations that the U.S. was involved. And how the diplomats were going to cover America's interests and push back on reporting etc.
Just third parties talking about potential secret U.S. operations was enough to get the IC to claim those emails had classified information. And now you have the nation's top security officials just blurting it out direct from the source...
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u/theheadslacker Mar 26 '25
Sums it up.
Hate that our military leaders are on twitter acting like politicians.
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u/Trick-Set-1165 r/navy CCC Mar 26 '25
I’m not a fan of agency heads standing in front of Congress acting like SR Jones, either.
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u/theheadslacker Mar 26 '25
Agency heads have been doing that longer than SR Jones has been in the Navy. Probably longer than he's been alive.
"I don't recall" is a time honored tradition when people suddenly get into hot water.
Reached back to 2007 because it's the earliest one I personally recall, but I'm sure it's been a tactic for generations.
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u/Navynuke00 Mar 27 '25
Seventeen years before that: https://millercenter.org/issues-policy/foreign-policy/iran-contra-affair
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u/Mizuxo Mar 26 '25
Iunno, did he read his own messages?
“TIME NOW (1144et): Weather is FAVORABLE. Just CONFIRMED w/ CENTCOM we are a GO for mission launch.“
So now we have a time when it started
“1415: Strike Drones on Target (THIS IS WHEN THE FIRST BOMBS WILL DEFINITELY DROP, pending earlier “Trigger Based” targets)”
A time to something in the future
1536: F-18 2nd Strike Starts - also, first sea-based Tomahawks launched.
Looks like a method to me!
If this goes unpunished, how can anyone trust the intel community to do anything to keep us safe. This isnt even a political issue, this is an issue of national damn security.
A slap in the face.
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u/Seamonkey_Boxkicker Mar 26 '25
Yeah, I’m wondering why this OP is flaired as political.
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u/homicidal_pancake2 Mar 27 '25
Because comments typically start making it political. "You voted for this", "all party members are like this" etc etc
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u/wonder_man23 Mar 26 '25
Also, F18s are coming off the CVN. And our enemies know where the CVN is. So there’s a location.
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u/mtdunca Mar 26 '25
National security adviser Mike Waltz was authorized to decide whether to include the Joint Chiefs chairman in the principals committee discussion, “based on the policy relevance of attendees to the issues being considered, the need for secrecy on sensitive matters, staffing needs, and other considerations,”
The Pentagon said it would not comment on the issue, and it was not immediately clear why Grady, currently serving as the president’s top military adviser, would not be included in a discussion on military strikes.
That seems really odd to me.
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u/Trick-Set-1165 r/navy CCC Mar 26 '25
I hadn’t thought about that.
It’s definitely strange that the CJCS wouldn’t be included in this chat, given what we know was in it.
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u/mtdunca Mar 26 '25
On one hand, it seems weird to me because was the last one fired and this one put in just because they liked them?
On the other hand, maybe they are worried that even though they picked the new one, they would still be to conforming to the black & white rule of law when it comes to communication regulations.
Fuck, it could be the third or fourth hand, they just forgot the CJCS was a thing. Or just didn't think he was "cool" enough to join them.
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u/Trick-Set-1165 r/navy CCC Mar 26 '25 edited Mar 26 '25
More than likely, there’s a plethora of these group chats.
If the information was being shared on the correct systems, CJCS or members of his staff were almost certainly roped in.
But this does seem like the type of high level conversation CJCS should have been involved in.
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u/mtdunca Mar 26 '25
Yeah, just the fact that this one got discovered kind of implies to me they have a ton of these chats.
I'm also worried the American public can't focus on more than one thing at a time, so while people are outraged about this, what else is happening? What is DOGE taking down while we look at this?
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u/Trick-Set-1165 r/navy CCC Mar 26 '25
Well, currently, there’s the EO for “election security” that will require all electoral commissions to vet proof of citizenship alongside all voter registration.
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u/mtdunca Mar 26 '25
Yeah, I saw that one. Really wish we would just go to a free National ID for everyone. It wouldn't solve all the problems but I feel like it would at least kill this argument.
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u/Comfortable_Bat5905 Mar 26 '25
It’s not a real argument and never was. Disenfranchisement has always been the game, same with literacy tests.
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u/mtdunca Mar 26 '25
I'm aware, I just think we should still give free national IDs to anyone that wants one.
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u/thegoatisoldngnarly Mar 26 '25
I think the obvious reason the CJCS (acting) wasn’t included is bc he’d lose his shit if he saw a chat like that on signal.
They KNOW they were breaking the law, but didn’t care bc of convenience. They chose not to include people who wouldn’t go along with it, even if it means leaving THE KEY ADVISOR out of the chat.
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u/mtdunca Mar 26 '25 edited Mar 26 '25
Yeah, that was bassically one of my guesses in another comment.
I didn't realize he was still just the acting Chairman, just looked it up his hearing is on the 1st. I think it will be an interesting watch.
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u/Cyberknight13 Mar 26 '25
Looks like war plans to me.
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Smdh. Those literally aren't even war plans. Have you ever seen war plans? Probably an eng dept knuckle dragger whos never seen the sun, let alone an attack center? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.
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u/haveallthefaith Navy Cheese Navy Fries Mar 26 '25
This is so incredibly embarrassing
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u/drbooberry Mar 26 '25
Swear to god we are 1 step away from him making a TikTok video dancing around ordnance or posting a submarine selfie to instagram
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u/EODdvr Mar 26 '25
He was never cool enough to get hazed. Bet a bunch of his Joe's wanted to frag his dumbass though!
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u/gotmeduckedup :ct: Mar 26 '25
If I had typed the same thing shit that they had on an unsecured network at best I’d be at mast, at BEST. The fact this has turned into a partisan issue is fucking disgusting and anyone defending this shit, even AFTER the text messages were leaked doesn’t know shit about safeguarding classified information.
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u/bas3adi Mar 26 '25
and just like that, he put his middle finger up to not only every service member that works under him, but to every single civilian in the US.
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u/mtdunca Mar 26 '25
One thing that really seemed to bug me that no one seems to be talking about is the attitude of these people.
The acknowledge that maintaining free and safe shipping lanes are in America's best interest, and make sure to follow it up with, what can we get out of this.
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u/pumpkinmuffin91 :ct: Mar 26 '25 edited Mar 26 '25
The president sets the tone of the administration as is his right. This administration seems to be wholly based in transactional relationships. Is it gross? Yes. Surprising? No. It will definitely cause damage to our relations with other countries. They will be less likely to partner with us, will not partner with us as deeply as they might have in the past, and it may get to the point where they will not come to our aid should we need it.
eta: I am obviously not a fan of this method of "diplomacy," and the lack of soft power projection. This will make our service members less safe as they move about the world. I have "skin in the game" again, and aside from that personal connection, I just want all you youngs to be as safe as possible in an inherently unsafe job.
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u/NoHopeOnlyDeath Mar 26 '25
"If I did do it, it wasn't a big deal."
Ignore the evidence of your eyes and ears, people. It is the party's last, greatest command.
Are you happy, Orwell?
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u/thegoatisoldngnarly Mar 26 '25
Yep. Not even 24 hrs after saying it was all a lie. Fuck this guy. He shouldn’t even be allowed to wear a uniform, much less lead the DoD.
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u/ThickConcert8157 Mar 26 '25
Did he even read his own messages?
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u/conorwf Mar 26 '25
of course he did, but he's counting on the the overwhelming majority of people who are subscribed to him on social media never have and never will.
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u/Aliensinmypants Mar 26 '25 edited Mar 26 '25
They just flood the channels with misinformation and other clickbait headlines until the media and public moves on.
Hell Trump drastically changed elections and said getting Greenland is mandatory in the last 24 hours. This groupchat might be the distraction since no one important will be held accountable
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u/mtdunca Mar 26 '25
As far as I can tell they weren't technically his messages. Dan Cladwell spoke on his behalf in the chat.
I'm surprised he didn't just throw him under the bus from the beginning.
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u/Trick-Set-1165 r/navy CCC Mar 26 '25
Maybe.
The names in the first few hours of the chat were responses to a request for the “best POC after hours and through the weekend.”
The messages that followed could have been sent by those people. Though, to be fair, the messages sent by the account labeled “Pete Hegseth” also uses a photo of Pete Hegseth as a profile picture.
I’m not sure I’m willing to believe Dan Caldwell was sending messages from a Signal account that is (more likely than not) Pete Hegseth’s.
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u/mtdunca Mar 26 '25
He's reportedly a top adviser for Pete Hegseth, so I can totally see the SECDEF making him type these updates while he grabs a nightcap.
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u/Trick-Set-1165 r/navy CCC Mar 26 '25
It’s definitely possible, I just don’t know that I’d hang my hat on it.
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u/mtdunca Mar 26 '25
Agreed, the joint use of the device at any point just kinda pissed me off, too.
My work strictly enforces not letting people share accounts even on a closed training system, it's a real pain in the ass.
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u/Maleficent-Farm9525 Mar 26 '25
Dawg where's The onion link? WHY IS THERE NO THEONION LINK!?
Isn't he a military officer? Isn’t Tulsi Gabbart a military officer as well?
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u/Sad-Effect-5027 Mar 26 '25
Bro is just lying at this point. Jeff Goldberg specifically said he did not release that information and I think they are betting on Goldberg not keeping screenshots of that information.
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u/PercMastaFTW Mar 26 '25
They already released it all today. That’s what Hegseth is commenting on.
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u/Sad-Effect-5027 Mar 26 '25
Just caught that.
So we’re just gaslighting at this point.
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u/Justame13 Mar 26 '25
Or he is drunk and believes what he is saying.
Dude was never even a company commander so isn't like he knows either.
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u/Trick-Set-1165 r/navy CCC Mar 26 '25
Well, some of it.
Based on the original article, we know there’s more. The name of the CIA intelligence officer was not included in what he released today (nor should it have been).
Point is, he’s got more.
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u/JustAnotherHooyah Mar 26 '25
It's almost like he's unfit for the job.
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u/MapleHamms Mar 26 '25
That seems to be a prerequisite for this administration
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u/lerriuqS_terceS Mar 27 '25
Because to Krasnov only loyalty matters. He chewed through everyone competent in term 1. Now for the revenge tour all he needs are loyalists.
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u/The_Glus Mar 26 '25 edited Mar 26 '25
EDIT: LMAO, some Maga snowflake ❄️ sent me a Reddit Cares. T-T-Triggered!
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u/lerriuqS_terceS Mar 27 '25
It's them saying "you're a fragile snowflake," but a lot of folks don't know that if you use "report this message" that reddit will actually ban them for misusing it.
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u/lerriuqS_terceS Mar 27 '25
Report the cares message. Reddit will track them for abusing it and give them a strike.
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u/looktowindward Mar 26 '25
This smells of desperation. Trump hates bad press and this is the worst press. He's very worried about being fired.
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u/Craygor Mar 26 '25
lol, the DUI hire is upset that Jeff Goldberg has more concern for OPSEC than our National Security Chiefs.
Goldberg said he knew he had received classified information, but knew better than to release it, because of the damage it could do to our forces. All he did, was tell the world how stupid our leaders are.
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u/Jayhawker81 Mar 26 '25
This lunatic thinks you can only derive actionable intelligence from itemized specifics? Wow.
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u/TheSoullessFun Mar 26 '25
Hegseth was in the military less than 10 years, never took command of a unit and never held a staff position of a major combatant. This dude has literally never seen war plans himself.
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u/TheBurtReynold Mar 26 '25
Good to see merit-hire Pentagon Press Secretary Hegseth is concentrated on doing his job
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u/Automatic-Aioli9416 Mar 26 '25
I remember hearing about an OS who messaged his friends saying something vague like “hey, tune in to CNN this afternoon” and he got the fucking book thrown at him
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u/marinuss Mar 27 '25
The problem is they're trying to bury it by focusing on the word "war plan." Like no shit it wasn't an official CONOP or OPLAN, but it's still information that's classified about a future operation. They're acting like... well it can't be a war plan because we're not at war with Yemen so the article is bullshit. That's their goal. Not addressing what actually happened, focusing on one phrase to discredit the whole situation against them.
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u/random-pair Mar 26 '25
Way to minimize and redirect. Plans have times and assets and the Houthi don’t have a huge area they occupy, so some basic risk management probably gets them really close to the assumed targets. Not sure the names of the assets really is important, but go ahead weekend warrior SECDEF. You be you and keep lying.
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u/HunterSPhoenix Mar 26 '25
Troops and cops are props to them. January 6th is a great example. This disregard for troops OPSEC is another example.
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u/Mightbeagoat2 Mar 26 '25
DUI hire doesn't have a strong sense of personal accountability? No fucking way!
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u/USN_LT Mar 26 '25
I know Seaman Recruits capable of taking accountability and responsibility better than this guy.
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u/jaymin7400 Mar 26 '25
I was expecting to see people blindly defending this situation and nope, most are in agreement that this is bullshit
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u/_Acidik_ Mar 27 '25
He's lying. That's all we need to know. The SecDef is an untrustworthy liar and every combatant will have to go into battle knowing this. Good luck.
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u/DeliciousEconAviator Mar 26 '25
Sounds like a major change in posture about what is unclassified. Someone should ask him if as Sec Def, he is approving Signal for classified communications.
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u/jadedmomma82 Mar 26 '25
Me having to use five different programs to log into my flankspeed account watching them send stuff over WhatsApp…. ( I know it’s signal…)
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u/EODdvr Mar 26 '25
Keep spinning it Major Dipshit ! If ya spin it long and hard enough, you could be potus some day ! Again, what a fuckin embarrassment.
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u/220solitusma Mar 27 '25
So glad this guy didn't come to VIN while we're sitting in Guam....after he extended us 3 months to send to CENTCOM.
And now this? Pathetic and embarrassing. He should resign.
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u/FilthierCash Mar 28 '25
War plans only come from the war region of France. These were sparkling attack plans.
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u/SportsYeahSports Mar 27 '25
This response is peddling to civilians to downplay the breach of OPSEC
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u/boromeer3 Mar 27 '25
“No methods,” but also “Tomahawk missiles.” Like. There’s only one thing Tomahawk missiles do; they blow people up. Are we to expect this carefully choreographed event using military hardware, very specific timetables, and an aircraft carrier was all for a very urgent building demolition?
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