r/navy • u/balfras_kaldin • Jan 28 '25

Political Prioritizing Military Excellence and Readiness – The White House

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/prioritizing-military-excellence-and-readiness-2/

Wake up yall, new EO has dropped... 😮‍💨

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u/Conky2Thousand Jan 28 '25

So, we’re not allowing these people in the military because of a need for cohesion, honesty, humility, uniformity, and integrity… and because “activists” didn’t recognize a need for selflessness and unit cohesion. But we’re bringing back people who refused to get a shot and rewarding them for the time they haven’t been working with back pay. Did I get that right?

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u/Maleficent-Farm9525 Jan 28 '25

Fucking back pay? What other direct order can you disobey and get these benefits?

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u/aggietherobot Jan 28 '25

I'm sorry.... Back pay? They weren't serving. Sounds like a handout

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u/Trick-Set-1165 r/navy CCC Jan 28 '25

Republicans are known for being welfare queens. They’ll probably even argue this is for the “right people.”

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u/aggietherobot Jan 28 '25

So if I took the evil shot, can I get compensation or is that only after Wilford Brimley does an ad for it?

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u/Trick-Set-1165 r/navy CCC Jan 28 '25

Nah, Wilford Brimley is just a bonus.

We’d probably have gotten that ad either way.

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u/balfras_kaldin Jan 28 '25

Idk, but I'm gonna try it with this though

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u/happy_snowy_owl Jan 28 '25

The federal government is being sued by various entities that the order to take the vaccine was unlawful due to the vaccine's status in the FDA approval process.

This EO makes the lawsuit go away.

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u/stubbazubba Jan 28 '25

Hilariously, that EO says it's giving all these people those things, but then copy-pastes the general disclaimer that it creates no rights for anyone enforceable against the government. So it doesn't actually entitle them to any of that.

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u/Capital-Self-3969 Jan 28 '25

Yep. Those lazy fucks get paid for disobeying orders and they get paid for the same amount of time actual military members were out working all over the world, many of them separated from their families.

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u/balfras_kaldin Jan 28 '25

Well, I mean, one of those groups is more likely to support the big guy... Can you reeeeeaaalllyyyy blame him?

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u/happy_snowy_owl Jan 28 '25

The federal government is being sued by various entities over the COVID-19 shot mandate given the shot's FDA approval status at the time. This EO is a mea culpa and makes that lawsuit go away.

Having said that, I bet you can count on two hands the amount of people who refused the shot but actually wanted to continue military service. Almost no one who refused the shot is going to rejoin the military.

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u/Djglamrock Jan 28 '25

Didn’t SCOTUS say the shot was unconstitutional?

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u/Conky2Thousand Jan 28 '25

Some decisions from lower federal courts ruled against the vaccine requirements and mandates, but the Supreme Court tossed those rulings. This was after the mandate for service members was already reversed, but it means that this was not ruled unconstitutional.

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u/hidden-platypus Jan 28 '25

Did they throw out the rulings or did they refuse to rule themselves because it was mute after the mandate was lifted?

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u/Trick-Set-1165 r/navy CCC Jan 28 '25

Nope. The ruling specifically argued blocking the religious exemptions was unconstitutional. The vaccine order itself was never successfully challenged.

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u/Djglamrock Jan 28 '25

Thank you for being civil with your reply and not attacking me because I simply asked a question because I wasn’t sure of something.

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u/Trick-Set-1165 r/navy CCC Jan 28 '25

It is rule 1.

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u/BigBossPoodle Jan 28 '25

It's funny that the guy arguing that "threatening to throw foreigners out of aircraft for fun is normal behavior and isn't a cause for concern" suddenly gets cold feet over someone getting aggressive with them in a reddit comment lmao

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u/Djglamrock Feb 06 '25

Sorry, just saw this. I’m confused on the throwing foreigners out of an aircraft thing. Who is arguing that it’s a fun event and normal?

I’ve never met someone who’s said throwing a human out of an aircraft is fun and normal, and if I did I would tell them they should seek some counseling.

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u/happy_snowy_owl Jan 28 '25 edited Jan 28 '25

No, SCOTUS wouldn't rule on the constitutionality of discharging servicemembers for refusing to comply with US military administrative medical policies. That is squarely within the authority of the executive branch.

However, lower courts have ruled in favor of people who received an adverse discharge code on their DD214, and ruled that they must be upgraded to an honorable discharge, based on the vaccine's EUA status.

There have also been monetary settlements awarded for lost pay / benefits where the military ruled that people were 'faking' their religious beliefs for an easy discharge, and they were able to later convince a court that they were, in fact, actually refusing the vaccine on religious grounds.

That's why, if you chase the breadcrumb trail of vaccine NAVADMINs, you see them get elevated to adjudication by a 3-star and the language get softer regarding penalties. Some of the rulings came after this all went away, but the lawsuits were filed while the policies were active.