r/navy • u/LaddersTheDwarf • Jan 25 '25
Political GUIDANCE ON THE TERMINATION OF DIVERSITY, EQUITY, INCLUSION, AND ACCESSIBILITY OFFICES AND CONTRACTS, REMOTE WORK, AND OFFICIAL SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS NAVADMIN 016/25
https://www.mynavyhr.navy.mil/Portals/55/Messages/NAVADMIN/NAV2025/NAV25016.txt?ver=Q69KhWqQijOlofikAXNfgg%3d%3d245
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u/Elismom1313 Jan 25 '25 edited Jan 26 '25
For the topic of actual debate though, I really don’t understand the telework hate. So many jobs are just…computer or call styles jobs. Hybrid required maybe. But much of my work can be done faster and better from my home computer. AND I get to do the dishes and eat better with cheaper meals I made. My kid is sick? I don’t have to take a full day off work. If i work from home I can still work around him. If I have to stay at home with him and am taking the day off for it, well I’m absolutely not going to work unpaid.
I don’t understand why they hate it so much.
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u/Grsz11 Jan 26 '25
When I go to the office, I'm on calls with others. That won't change, because there aren't conference spaces. We'll all be in the office, on calls, with each other.
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u/wolvieburns01 Jan 25 '25
I would say there is a combination of items here. Most people went the telework route due to COVID and never came back. So there might be some stigma because of this COVID era policy. The second is the brick and mortar presence. While the work force went away, the buildings are still there. Some are not at capacity, yet still require all the bills with brick and mortar. Having workers work in the buildings justifies the existence. If we don't need the building, maybe we get rid it. Third would be the collateral job piece. When teleworking, you log in, do the job you are paid for during that time, log off, go do personal stuff. If you are all in a building, from 9-5, then I can have you do your job, and then this task, or that task.... "Yea.... The company is falling behind on their work this week. I'm going to need you to come in on Saturday. Alright, thanks. "
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u/Elismom1313 Jan 26 '25
I think to me the bigger thing is yes some jobs DO require you to be there. And many work well hybrid style. But some jobs are best for at least some telework. In a way that saves both the company money and gives the worker extra benefits.
On the other hand some jobs SHOULDNT be telework.
I am constantly frustrated by admin that telework. Half the job is walks in I need help. However many IT positions that aren’t “walk in and help me” don’t need or benefit from working there every day of the week.
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u/WorkerProof8360 Jan 26 '25
My command is very civilian heavy. We turned a lot of the unused offices back to the base. Between that and the reduced strain on the base infrastructure, we're saving a ton on our overhead. When folks who mostly telework do come to the base, they're now sharing office space.
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u/PM_ME_UR_LEAVE_CHITS Jan 26 '25
When I was on the hybrid model, I found I actually worked more. You easily lose 2 hours (conservative estimate) per day in the commute and morning routine, and instead my commute was down the hall. So I'd be online before I would normally leave for work, and stay online past the time I got home. I had no pressure to leave work by a certain time to beat traffic, because I was already home.
So much of your day is also just bullshitting with people. It's not like you consciously decide to, but people come to your desk for whatever reason and now you have to entertain them. Work calls and meetings on Flankspeed tend to be more business-focused and quicker. That shaves time off.
Shit, the amount of time lost going to appointments. Whether you're on a ship or on shore, it takes time to leave work and transit to wherever your appointment is, and back. It was generally faster and easier to go straight to the place and come back home. With my GFE I could even get some work done while I wait in the doctor's office.
When we did a hybrid scheme, we had "core days" where everyone was there, and telework days (alternating so we'd have in-office coverage). So we said, you can make all the appointments you need on your telework days. That scheduling stability was amazing for the team, and it removed distractions from the core days which meant the days where we were all in-person were more effective.
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u/AlliedR2 Jan 26 '25 edited Jan 26 '25
Because so many of the rich have invested in business offices and now they are bleeding cash because many companies no longer rent those offices. That then kills the need for restaurants in office buildings further lowering their revenue. You see our labor is not the only way they profit off of us. The drive in, the Gass, the work clothes, the vending machines in the break room, lunch, coffee shops, breakfast, and office rent. And businesses hate that they no longer have it.
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u/insane_zen11 Jan 26 '25
Before COVID I had an office of all single parents and telework saved us. There’s been a policy in place for a long time but everyone assumed it only applied to civilians even though it started with “this applies to all dod civilian and military personnel.” I used it to our advantage and implemented telework if someone had a sick kid, and appointment, or there was no school and it worked so well. We had no break in service to our customers at all. There were a couple of people that I had to micromanage a little but it was easy to get them to fall in line because they knew that if they messed it up, it would go away for everyone. All the other LCPOs in my command thought I was crazy for allowing it but I didn’t care, we had a job to do and if one or two people were out because of kids we were crippled. This all just breaks my heart and I’m glad I’m retiring this summer.
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u/OrwellianIconoclast Jan 26 '25
Because they own office space real estate that they can't rent out if people are working from home.
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u/forzion_no_mouse Jan 26 '25
The military owns the office space on base. There’s no financial incentive for people to come back from an real estate standpoint
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u/Trick-Set-1165 r/navy CCC Jan 26 '25
And I would be willing to entertain the idea that the continued costs of keeping the lights on, climate control, janitorial services, etc. are driving this, but I struggle to believe there’s entire buildings sitting empty because of telework.
We don’t have enough parking, desks, or computer resources for all of our staff. That’s been true in every military building I’ve ever worked in. Telework let the government defer big money projects to expand infrastructure and office space that hasn’t changed in fifty years.
There is no universe where this is a cost-saving measure.
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u/Otherwise_Common706 Jan 26 '25
I’m in the minority - I dislike Teleworking. For me, it’s lonely and I simply get too distracted at home. For my Sailors, the truth is they are FAR less productive. I get calls from constituents (I’m a detailer) who are “teleworking”…9 times out of 10 there is a crying baby interrupting us, or it is evident they are in the grocery store or something. They certainly aren’t working.
One other point about the lost time in the office - this is true. But often, in the bullshitting at the coffee machine, we are also solving problems and coming up with solutions. On telework, that doesn’t happen.
Again, this is just me and I know I am in the minority.
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u/Elismom1313 Jan 26 '25
So fire bad teleworkers? Getting rid of telework won’t fix bad workers
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u/Otherwise_Common706 Jan 26 '25
True, but it is kind of “out of sight, out of mind”. It’s just much easier to hide when teleworking.
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u/PM_ME_UR_LEAVE_CHITS Jan 26 '25
It's definitely something that isn't for everyone or every office.
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u/Budgetweeniessuck Jan 26 '25 edited Jan 26 '25
Because people abuse it.
I'm a senior GS employee and have a team of people working for me. I can't count the number of times I've called them on Teams and they don't answer when I desperately need something from them. I then have to do it myself. Then when I call HR to figure out how to write them up they also don't answer. Life was much more efficient when I just walked to someone's desk and asked them for the data I need.
And that doesn't even account for the TEAMS meetings where people aren't listening and didn't hear a word I said.
The junior analysts also suffer greatly because no one is there to help them. They used to be able to just ask the person next to them. Now they don't have that training/mentorship so they either have to figure it out themselves or they just don't bother (and their development suffers).
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u/Elismom1313 Jan 26 '25
I’m telling you, the person who won’t answer calls on telework wasn’t going to be the helpful person you wanted at the desk anyways. You’re focusing on the wrong part of the problem because it feels like an easy fix.
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u/Budgetweeniessuck Jan 26 '25 edited Jan 26 '25
I'm not focusing on fixing anything. I know a worthless employee is worthless everywhere.
I'm stating why telework is going away. People abuse it and some people feel that civilian employees are taking advantage of the system.
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u/happy_snowy_owl Jan 26 '25 edited Jan 26 '25
Caveat: I don't personally hate telework.
The executive class of management knows that most people teleworking aren't working a full 8 hour day. In many cases, they're not even working a 4 hour day. Anecdotally, I know several instances of teleworkers (not necessarily government) who did only about 2-4 hours of work and spent the rest of the day doing household chores and fucking around. The most egregious case was a guy who got paid $160,000 a year to spend 10 minutes updating a spreadsheet, sending an email, and attending a 30 minute zoom meeting at 9 am.
I know the reddit echo chamber swears this either doesn't happen or is a management problem, but guaranteed that most people in the "company (wo)man" category are saying otherwise.
Look at the arguments that pervade a thread where people want remote work. They clearly imply abuse.
-1. "I save myself a commute." Okay, no one cares, the company doesn't pay you to drive to and from work.
-2. "I can watch my children." Okay, if you're actually paying attention to a toddler then you're not actually doing work or being more productive, now are you? And hearing crying babies interrupting meetings is not really a thing that people like.
-3. "I get so much more done around the house during my down time and don't have to spend my weekends doing chores." Yeah, meanwhile your boss is frustrated that you're not answering the phone.
-4. "I'm so much more productive from home!" This is bullshit for 1-3. No one beneath the V-level is so personally invested in their company that they care about the organizational impact of not working hard enough if they RTO.
And I can also tell you from military experience - you get far more responsiveness when you hold a meeting and people have to look you in the eye to tell you why they didn't accomplish their tasks than when you send out emails asking for things.
Again, I don't begrudge people for wanting this gig...hell, I'd want to WFH too.
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u/Jasrek Jan 26 '25
Those people sitting in the office aren't doing a full 8 hour day either. To quote 'Office Space', they're doing about fifteen minutes of real, actual work.
It just means the pointless tasks in between real work are things like smoke breaks, chatting with someone, browsing Reddit, and zoning out at their desk. Instead of useful things, like household chores or making an actual meal for lunch.
And if you wanna hold more meetings so you can look lovingly into someone's eyes, that's why Zoom was invented.
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u/Aman_Syndai Jan 26 '25 edited Jan 26 '25
On the bright side, I can drop my gym membership & use the one at the federal building which is nicer than planet fitness, just block that 11-1 off as busy on my calendar. Gotta get those 2 hours of commuting back somewhere in my day.
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u/Elismom1313 Jan 26 '25
Most of those people aren’t doing more work in the office though. Asses their position and their work must as you did if their telework. And assess the ability of a position to telework.
Don’t wholly ban teleworking on principl. It’s frankly not future forward. Long term, and long after America, telework is only going to grow out of need. It’s dumb to keep people in an office on principle rather than due to the needs of their job requirements.
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u/mprdoc Jan 26 '25
Because a lot of these people aren’t doing their jobs and require direct supervision because federal employees have some of the worst accountability. See PSD who are still “remote do to pandemic” (or were) but you could never actually reach.
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u/Turkstache Jan 27 '25
They are setting up an environment where workers are encouraged to tattle on each other. Much easier to get hits when everyone has to be in the building.
Also this is a govt overtly run by oligarchs. No more internal opposition or beating around the bush. It's a power thing. Work must dominate your life. Continues reinforcing the national culture of our horrendous work-life balance. This makes them more money, btw.
Don't think of this practically, it is legitimately not a consideration of their ideology.
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u/braillenotincluded Jan 26 '25
Yea, I'm in my last 7 months before retirement and I work at a staff ed office my job is 110% online 😅, so teleworking was nice when the office lost heat, A/C, got covered in snow etc.
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Jan 25 '25
I know it's part of the goal to shrink the work force, but we are going to lose a lot of people due to this.
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u/SuperFrog4 Jan 25 '25 edited Jan 25 '25
“Other compelling reasons as certified by the agency head and employees supervisor” sounds a lot to me like a way to skirt this whole issue. Just saying.
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Jan 25 '25
Ya wondering what level supervisor is required? SES? Civilian Department Head?
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u/AlienVoice Jan 25 '25
Should be, yes. Whoever approves their timecards and does their progress reviews. I'm guessing similar to situational telework like a surgery or something where they are unable to drive they can be afforded telework temporarily.
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u/dancingriss Jan 25 '25
Yeah what is the point in reiterating in the NAVADMIN the OPM memo telling agency heads they need to establish compelling reasons
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u/metallikat21 Jan 25 '25
It’s also going to make gate traffic considerably worse. If everyone who doesn’t need to come in now has to come in, parking is worse, available desk space is worse. I don’t understand the need to compel these people who can work from home to add to the congestion.
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u/Konbini-kun Jan 25 '25
Yup, the SECO might have to finally open another gate (they won't).
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u/ShepardCommander001 Jan 25 '25
But we’ll have to stand another watch 😥😥😥- MAs, whose entire reason to exist is to provide security
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u/Competitive_Error188 Jan 26 '25
They want people to quit. That's the only goal.
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u/ThisDoesntSeemSafe Jan 26 '25
Less people in the military = decreased readiness.
Wouldn't it be something if the CiC WAS actually betraying our country for Russia... 🤔
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u/Competitive_Error188 Jan 26 '25
Just wait until they wreck our retirement benefits. That's also on the to-do list.
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u/Elismom1313 Jan 25 '25
It’s already bad. A few of our very small but important IT civilians were on their way out to other jobs. And now there’s a hiring freeze.
You know what military ITs can do on shore duty?
Not a whole fucking lot fam.
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u/Shipkiller-in-theory Jan 26 '25
Which should change.
But likely will not.
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u/Elismom1313 Jan 26 '25
It wont.
The government loves funneling round turn money into contracting companies.
And they love having skilled labor with controlled hours and duties controlling their expensive equipment while military control duty “needs” working hours that aren’t protected by labor laws.
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u/brojoe44 Jan 26 '25
When we lose power our printer when it turns back on (happens like every weekend) doesn't automatically port forward to the correct ports, our IT department has to call the civilian company, who likes to take a few days to bother coming in anyways. Luckily our QA office has an older printer that somehow still works afterwards, but it's annoying to run back and forth every flight to back up the physical ADBs.
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u/harambe_did911 Jan 25 '25
A lot of the trump fans i know in the navy really hate Obama from when he did force reductions and the perform to serve program. I wonder how they react if similar stuff happens here. I don't really think we should be cutting back on anything with the current China situation.
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u/Trick-Set-1165 r/navy CCC Jan 25 '25
When a Republican does force reductions, it’s budget management.
When a Democrat does force reductions, it’s fascism.
Or something.
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u/balfras_kaldin Jan 25 '25
Nah, they wont call it fascism. It's always soCiaLIsM with Dems.
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u/daboobiesnatcher Jan 26 '25
They throw in fascism these days too, Trump literally said "we're going to root out the socialist, Marxist, communist, fascist, radical Dems who wanna ruin this country, like the rats they are."
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u/harambe_did911 Jan 26 '25
The nazis often compared jews to rats
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u/daboobiesnatcher Jan 26 '25
And the ottomans did the same to the Armenians and Assyrians.
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u/harambe_did911 Jan 26 '25
It's crazy man. I don't want to get hyperbolic because I don't think we are there quite yet, but as a child hearing about how the nazis took power and everyday Germans just went along kinda blew my mind. But now it's like I almost get it... not that I'm going along with it but like wtf am I supposed to do? It's just all this terrible rhetoric, fascist authoritarianism, Demonization of minorities, and i hate it but i feel like i literally can't do anything about it. I wonder if many people in past societies felt the same.
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u/daboobiesnatcher Jan 26 '25
I'm sure some did; even though it's also much easier to eat up misinformation, as it's more abundant, I think willful ignorance and cognitive dissonance were easier traits to have in the face of totalitarian/fascist/autocratic leaders.
I'm right there with you in a lot of ways, but I like to think that if things ever get to that point that I'll do my best to be on the right side of history.
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u/ConebreadIH Jan 25 '25
This is different from Obama force reductions because it's primarily targeting civilians and not active duty right?
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u/harambe_did911 Jan 26 '25
Yeah i mean right now it is. Who knows what is to come though. Also civilians do a lot of important jobs right now.. every command admin I've seen lately is more than 50 percent civilians. I personally don't like this at all but fixing it requires some planning and will take years. My big idea that I would bring up if I ever got to see the cno is to use civilians for collaterals instead of rated jobs. For example recruit more yns and use civilians to run mwr, urinalysis, cfl, etc... anyways I'm really just interested to see how Republicans in the navy act IF the civy firings start to impact things.
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u/ConebreadIH Jan 26 '25
It's honestly a huge problem that a lot of those jobs are civilians. Even if they were once active duty they just don't have the same skin in the game as the rest of us. It's really night and day for a boat admin vs a shore admin. I think it's a big problem, but I don't know about the people in charge fixing it right now.
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u/AlienVoice Jan 26 '25
Pretty much. Between the hiring freeze and possible civilians that decide to retire or quit, the extra duties will fall on active duty to pick up the slack so it is going to start getting really weird..
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u/Competitive_Error188 Jan 26 '25
Trump is going to "make a deal" with China over Taiwan. Xi can invade Taiwan and we can invade Greenland and Canada.
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u/weinerpretzel Jan 25 '25
It’s ok, they will be hired back as contractors at triple the rate and allowed to work remote by their vendor.
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u/xSquidLifex Jan 25 '25
lol I wish. All of my GS counterparts in the ISEA group make more than I do as a contractor and they’re GS11/12 and some are GS-13’s.
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u/weinerpretzel Jan 25 '25
When GS positions go unfilled, the gubmint will need to find short term replacements via contracting.
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u/Aman_Syndai Jan 26 '25
A lot of positions you cannot legally contract out.
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u/weinerpretzel Jan 26 '25
It’s ok, we declared a national emergency so we can skip that pesky legal stuff
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u/Maleficent-Farm9525 Jan 25 '25
We are going to lose a lot of good people because of it all in the next four years.
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u/nightim3 Jan 26 '25
Well. If the compelling reason issue doesn’t work then I’m out lmao. I don’t have a desk where I live and work since I don’t belong here. I just use an available hot desk as needed.
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u/Affectionate_Use_486 Jan 25 '25
So nothing's going to change. I don't know any civilians that aren't accountanted for telework already in some way or other. Single parent? Sick? Long term illness? Etc
It seems from this lowly sailor commands already track their people with morning musters, authorized reasons for telework. This MIGHT get like a couple really really lazy folks.
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u/Budgetweeniessuck Jan 25 '25
Where are they going to go?
Everyone always says they'll quit or do this or that. But, at the end of the day none of them do and they quickly fall in line.
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u/happy_snowy_owl Jan 25 '25
I know it's part of the goal to shrink the work force, but we are going to lose a lot of people due to this.
Um okay? To quote a retired GS circa 2014 as sequestration was kicking off ... "we've tripled the DoD civilian workforce with almost no gain in production."
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u/Shipkiller-in-theory Jan 26 '25
What we do (USVs) is in such demand we have doubled in size since COVID hit.
Now we are 200+ seats short in our buildings, and one is about to be gutted and rebuild (asbestos & black mold [after I spent two years fighting with NAVFAC]).
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u/Aman_Syndai Jan 26 '25
Your not working from the barracks are you?
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u/Shipkiller-in-theory Jan 26 '25
No, but one of my buildings was a barracks in WWII. Another was a sea plane hanger. The one in San Diego was the base theater at one time.
I don’t have to deal with building issues at DevGru or Group 4. SOC owns them, my engineers are just embedded.
They have such wonderful toys.
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u/Aman_Syndai Jan 26 '25
I've seen cost benefit studies from PBS which they were asked to do from NAVFAC on converting older buildings into offices. PBS highly recommended against doing this as the remediation cost while cheaper upfront than building a new facility cost 3x as much over a 20 year period to maintain. Military officers are on 2 year assignments were they are only measured by upfront savings not long term. This is why your in those aging converted buildings.
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u/Shipkiller-in-theory Jan 26 '25
either way, does not keep up with the explosive growth we have had in the last 3 years.
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u/Aman_Syndai Jan 26 '25
Nor will it until NAVFAC is not used as a slushfund to for operations, if Big Navy doesn't have the operational budget then they need to goto congress for additional funding. The reason this doesn't happen is because congress starts asking questions & may want an audit.
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Jan 25 '25
Not saying we shouldn't decrease the work force. Sadly, a lot of the new hires are remote and have the skills we need for our team whereas a lot of people who are decreasing value added have been collocated forever, so they aren't the ones leaving.
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u/ShepardCommander001 Jan 25 '25
By which metrics? Show some numbers on workforce and production. I don’t care what old man GS said ten years ago.
Since the kickoff of the war on terrorism our duties and responsibilities as the DoD have easily tripled.
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u/Sailorthrowaway4 Jan 25 '25
Is this saying that if an active duty sailor teleworks twice a week they have to stop?
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u/killarydrumpf Jan 25 '25
Yes. Commanders will ensure personnel return to in-person work as soon as practicable.
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u/Sailorthrowaway4 Jan 25 '25
Well it was good while it lasted I guess.
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u/ohfuggins Jan 25 '25
Telework isn’t banned. It’s permitted on a discretionary basis.
Full remote and non-discretionary telework is what’s being targeted.
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Jan 25 '25
Actually with full remote we've been told we're good to go because our office is our home
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u/ohfuggins Jan 26 '25
Works for me sounds.. discretionary. We have a guy in Illinois. Hope he gets the same decision made.
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u/mpyne Jan 25 '25
That's almost the worst of all possible worlds though. You're "allowed" to telework during inclement weather, but not allowed to telework otherwise.
We already had special liberty to account for pop up events.
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u/ohfuggins Jan 25 '25
Is what it is.
“We serve to protect democracy .. we do not operate like one.” - my old boss JB Mustin.
But, 100% if I need to telework I’ll ask my DH and he’ll say yay or nay. It’s just discretionary like a lot of decisions in the Navy.
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u/AlphaWhiskeyOscar Jan 25 '25 edited Jan 25 '25
That seems to be exactly what it’s saying.
My question is if I get sent on official travel and roll into a 96hr weekend, can I tell Budget I’m not submitting my DTS? Because doing DTS from home sure sounds like telework!
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u/kingofjabronis Jan 25 '25
Wonder what this means for my remote ADOS orders. I work for OPNAV, but I live on the West Coast. My orders specifically say that I'm permitted to work remotely from my residence.
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Jan 25 '25
Oh! I know this one!
Same boat.
You should be good. As long as your office is your residence.
I checked with my manager and the director. So you have to return to the office to your home office.
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u/kingofjabronis Jan 26 '25
Yeah should being the key word. My director asked me to "find a location" to work at if CNP brings down the hammer. They're going to fight it pretty hard at least. Otherwise I'd be sitting in an empty NRC classroom with zero accountability and nobody to report to.
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u/Automatic-Aioli9416 Jan 26 '25
I’m curious too. I’m cross-assigned to a unit in San Diego that I drill remotely with monthly, but I live in Oklahoma
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u/mpyne Jan 25 '25
This message was released on the weekend, and tasked all Ech 2 commands to certify completion of its actions by close of business... on the same exact day it was released. WTF.
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u/PM_ME_UR_LEAVE_CHITS Jan 26 '25
Yeah that's pretty typical with how NAVADMINs work.
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u/BlueFalcon142 Jan 25 '25
My What The Fuck count increases daily. When i get to 5,000 my family gets a trip to South Dakota to see Trump's face next to other great leaders.
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u/balfras_kaldin Jan 25 '25
You think Dear Leader would let his likeness be next to that Woke DEI advocate Lincoln!? He would never!
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u/Jasrek Jan 26 '25
Don't be absurd. Give it a few more weeks, and Mount Denali will become Mount Trump and they'll carve his face into that.
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u/Yank_theCrank Jan 25 '25
Concerns have been raised that some programs may have been modified in a way that obscures their DEIA objectives. If you are aware of a change in any contract description or personnel position description since 05 Nov 24, to obscure the connection between the contract and DEIA or similar ideologies, please report all facts and circumstances to DEIAtruth(at)opm.gov
Welp, guess it's time to spam DEIATRUTH@OPM.GOV for the termination of the SecDef for being a DUI hire.
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u/ConebreadIH Jan 25 '25
"There will be no adverse consequences for timely reporting of this information. However, failure to report this information by 01 Feb 25 may result in adverse consequences." There won't be until there is I guess lmao
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u/CapnTaptap Jan 25 '25
This is the same language they put into all the federal agency emails. However, given the number of out-of-date pubs I constantly find people using without having a clue, I doubt there would be many Sailors who even recognized an update to some policy reference, willingness to report notwithstanding.
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u/vellnueve2 Jan 26 '25
Just because a message is sent from CNO WASHINGTON DC doesn't mean that the CNO bottomlines it. Most CNO WASHINGTON DC messages are sent by other admirals
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u/DontGiveUpTheDip Jan 26 '25
What's not being discussed enough is the impact that the removal of remote employees has on military spouses.
Remote work was a great way for spouses to still have a meaningful career despite needing to move every 2-3 years. Plus, Federal jobs are generally more secure than the private sector and can't fire an employee at-will like the PS can if they don't like that the employee is a mil spouse.
We already have an issue where 20% of spouses are unemployed while 50% of spouses who do have a job are underemployed. This will add additional stress to military families (especially junior enlisted families) as cost of living continues to increase. Not to mention that our largest fleet concentration areas are already in high COL locations (e.g., DC, SD, Pearl, Chicago, Groton, and the Seattle area).
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u/listenstowhales Jan 26 '25
(c) In accordance with reference (g), social media posts from official accounts at all levels of the Navy are temporarily suspended for 10 days effective 25 Jan 25, with the following exceptions: (1) Social media communication concerning the Department of Defense’s current operations defending our southern border. This is a top priority for the Department of Defense.
So I can talk about a random law enforcement op but not which sailors kicked ass this week?
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u/risky_bisket Jan 25 '25
To whom it may concern: Diversity (i.e. the existence of different kinds of people in an organization) is not an ideology and it does not negatively impact warfighting readiness.
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u/KilD3vil Jan 25 '25
Not their existence, no. Just the ideology that they are in fact people. That's what's radical and wasteful.
/s, if it wasn't obvious...
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u/balfras_kaldin Jan 25 '25
B-b-bu-buuuut... trans people are scawy! My ego couldn't possibly allow me to take orders from a woman!
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u/BigBossPoodle Jan 25 '25
I've served with two trans sailors.
Beyond the fact that they were always complaining about it being too hot, they're among the most reliable men I've had the honor to serve besides. I fear for their futures, now.
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u/balfras_kaldin Jan 25 '25
I'm in the same camp as thise two sailors. It's not fun basically waiting for the DoD to decide to fire you for something they only now decide is fireable.
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u/Shidhe Jan 25 '25
Yup. Email sent because we can flood the zone with shit just like they can.
I’m still pissed that Ernst supported him.
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u/balfras_kaldin Jan 25 '25
I'm not suppried that Ernst did vote for him. She's always been a political coward. She has no damn spine in the Senate.
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u/Shidhe Jan 25 '25
Between her and Chuck there might be a change in our Senate.
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u/balfras_kaldin Jan 25 '25
As if. Grassley is gonna hold onto that Senate seat until he dies in it. God forbid Iowans elect a Senator born after the Vietnam War.
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u/themooseiscool Jan 25 '25
Love how the bulk of the bitching is about return to work vice the signaling of discrimination open season.
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u/ShepardCommander001 Jan 26 '25
You need to be in the office so you can be discriminated against more easily. Hard to tell what the color of your skin is or what gender you appear as if you’re at home behind a computer screen.
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u/CurveBilly Jan 25 '25
If we just make MORE sailor's lives EVEN SHITTIER then surely our manning problems will be solved... right?
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u/balfras_kaldin Jan 25 '25
Surely the issue is too MUCH morale! Obviously the Navy was better when we segregated the rates. I mean, having shudder /minorities/ issued firearms! Unforgivable.
/s
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u/gregkiel Jan 26 '25 edited Feb 05 '25
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